November 15, 2010 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #593051
what do you think of the new security at the airports with the new body scanners , ok or noNovember 15, 2010 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #711233arcParticipant
it is what it is. people like to kvetch.November 15, 2010 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #711234chesednameParticipant
they are professionals and strangers, no different then your Dr looking at you.
if they didn’t do it, and there was a terrorist attack, the security ppl would be responsible. so they can’t win here.November 15, 2010 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #711235
noooo way. they do give you the option of having a pat down instead (i think that’s what it’s called)November 15, 2010 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #711236
sms- i heard pat downs are very thorough i think between the pat downs and scanner i would choose scanner though the idea is quite nauseating!November 15, 2010 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #711237
how bad is it anyway whats everyone complaining about?November 15, 2010 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #711238
blinky- really? uh oh, good you told me since were flying soon. i’m starting to get a bit naseoussss!!!! add that to the list of reasons to back out from the trip lolNovember 15, 2010 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #711239
Yes, the pat-down have gotten A LOT more thorough (thanks to our good friend, the underwear bomber)
That being said, its same gender pat down so really, I think everyone can take a chill.November 15, 2010 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #711242
ok, ok we got the point. we now know pat down isnt so much better.November 15, 2010 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #711243
Trust me, the TSA guy isnt thrilled about it either.
I had a female TSA lady give me the FULL pat down before these new stringencies were added. I was called out of the line (wonder if it had to do with my tzahal sweatshirt 😉 and was THOROUGHLY frisked, its not such a big deal.November 15, 2010 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #711244
don’t the body scanners obscure your face and obscure the fine details of your body?
You can always take the bus.November 15, 2010 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #711245bptParticipant
my tzahal sweatshirt 😉
Let me get this straight. Miss Kensetonia, daughter of someone really choshuv, davens like a brisker, and wears a sweatshirt?November 15, 2010 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #711246
Though I think many of the TSA’s security measures are a bit lame, I prefer to know my fellow passengers have gone through the scanner.
Also, check out today’s news for a story of a man who refused to be scanned. Let’s see what happens next.November 15, 2010 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #711247jhcvivgwryParticipantNovember 15, 2010 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #711249matjash@loxxxxxxParticipant
the new airport scanner is soo wrong it violations our privacy!!!November 15, 2010 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #711250deiyezoogerMember
they say better save then sorry so lets stick with as much security as possible even if it’s yuk or annoying, right with me on that one? to bad if not that’s what staying anyway, it might get only worse.November 15, 2010 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #711251
what does the oilam tanyna about the guy in san diego airport , did he accomplish what he wanted to proveNovember 15, 2010 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #711252
The guy in the airport did us all a favor, but really, he is an idiot. I am flying sunday, and while I think this is outrageous, I really need to get where I am going, so I will put up with it.November 15, 2010 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #711253oomisParticipant
The scanner is a virtual strip search, but as long as the scanners are nowhere near the people who are being scanned (meaning that the people looking at them are ONLY looking at the screen, but cannot see the actual person nearby), then I think it is preferable to being thoroughly groped by a stranger. That could actually traumatize our young women going to Seminary. As unpleasant as this might be, it is a necessary evil for our protection, and sakanas nefashos comes first.November 16, 2010 12:26 am at 12:26 am #711254
Oh, oomis, you are so wise.November 16, 2010 2:30 am at 2:30 am #711255
You are regressing in your people analysis.
Let me try to break it down:
In the realm of Flatbush, I dont even live close to Kensington.
“daughter of someone really choshuv”
I think so 🙂
“davens like a brisker”
I think Briskers everywhere should be offended that my poor pathetic excuse for prayer is likened to their Davening.
“and wears a sweatshirt?”
Heck yea! For days off and traveling. Low maintenance, ‘member 😉November 16, 2010 5:39 am at 5:39 am #711256WIYMember
I have no problem with the beefed up security as long as they check everybody equally not just young kids and old ladies. Yes I expect every muslim to be checked just as thoroughly as everyone else.November 16, 2010 5:43 am at 5:43 am #711257WIYMember
Tzahal sweatshirt? Are you a rebel without a cause?November 16, 2010 9:41 am at 9:41 am #711258whatrutalkingabtMember
Is it better for a girl to be seen “virtually naked” by a man or should she rather opt for the pat down as gross as it is?
Is it allowed for frum women to go through the scanner?November 16, 2010 9:44 am at 9:44 am #711259haifagirlParticipant
And how many problems have they had with flights that originate at Ben Gurion? Zero. And they don’t have the intrusive security.November 16, 2010 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #711260tzippiMember
I’ve been frisked, probably because of long skirts and shirts in summer, but even in winter. The type of body search they’re talking about now is kind of distasteful absent some serious cause.November 16, 2010 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #711261mamashtakahMember
Of course, if they did security in the U.S. like the Israelis (i.e., profiling), they wouldn’t need all this mishugas.November 16, 2010 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #711262Mayan_DvashParticipant
I’d probably opt for the pat-down. But only after eating 2 lbs. of chulent or a nice Greek Salad/Caesar Salad. Someone who is really daring would go for “MoviPrep” – stuff you drink before getting a colonoscopy.
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bumpNovember 19, 2010 3:59 am at 3:59 am #711264HaLeiViParticipant
This is a very unnecessary evil. First of all, some things are just off limits no matter if you have a good reason. Second, the burn himself bomber could have and should have been rejected with a system already in place. His bomb was pounced upon by those who couldn’t wait for something that they can use to publicize it. Olam Golam falls for it. Third of all, which is my ever repeated point, there is no reason for a person to view any picture at all. A computer can very easilly follow the simple vector of the human form, and can spot a foreign object much more efficiently than a human. They want this because they are pigs.November 19, 2010 4:07 am at 4:07 am #711265HaLeiViParticipant
With Chanuka in mind, you are probably familiar with their law of having every Kalla being tried out first by an official. I’m sure they had some kind of logic then too. The realisation frightens and sickens me that you probably would have bought into that, too. Can’t you tell when something went too far?
I don’t know what makes you so happy about the fact that a man will grope your little boys. As long as it’s not your son’s Rebbi?November 19, 2010 5:03 am at 5:03 am #711266charliehallParticipant
I flew earlier today. No problems.November 19, 2010 5:08 am at 5:08 am #711267
has anyone asked an LOR about this?November 19, 2010 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #711269
popa- me too. 6 am. See you there?November 19, 2010 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #711270WolfishMusingsParticipant
You can always take the bus.
Not to Israel.
The WolfNovember 19, 2010 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #711271
I am flying later in the morning. I hope you are through security by the time I get there.November 19, 2010 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #711272
attention frum women (and their husbands and fathers),
the TSA in their wisdom seems to have decided that any female in a skirt is probably a terrorist and needs to go thru a pat down to make sure their skirt is not hiding any explosives.
I kid you not.November 19, 2010 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #711273
Yeah. You might want to find out if you can get some heter to wear pants. I don’t know of one, but who knows.November 19, 2010 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #711275
The crazy thing is even if you go through the scanner they can insist you go through the intrusive hand pat-down afterwards, if they think they noticed something in the scanner.
And you can’t refuse the pat-down apparently, even if you decide you will cancel your flight they will insist you go through it just to LEAVE the airport. (That’s what they advised the guy who took the recording a few days ago.)November 19, 2010 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #711276
Just curious, i know someone with a catheter that is flying soon, and he wants to know if the security will give him problems, because its a lot of wiresNovember 19, 2010 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #711277WolfishMusingsParticipant
Just curious, i know someone with a catheter that is flying soon, and he wants to know if the security will give him problems, because its a lot of wires
I would be highly surprised if your friend is the first person the TSA has come across with a catheter.
Nonetheless, I would imaging it couldn’t hurt if he brought alone some documentation from his physician.
The WolfNovember 19, 2010 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #711278
Wolf- most people who have catheters dont really fly…But ill check into getting documents- thanksNovember 19, 2010 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #711279YW Moderator-80Member
are you sure its a catheter
catheters dont have “a lot of wires”November 19, 2010 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #711280
yes it is a catheter- and it has wiresNovember 19, 2010 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #711281
popa- you’re right. You wouldn’t want to be around when I go through security.
the TSA in their wisdom seems to have decided that any female in a skirt is probably a terrorist
So men in skirts are OK? I have Scottish friends who would like to know. They’re afraid TSA can’t tell a kilt from a skirt.November 19, 2010 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #711282
Go through security in a kilt, refuse the scanner, and let us know the results.November 19, 2010 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #711283
popa- you’re right. You wouldn’t want to be around when I go through security.
Why? Do you wear a skirt?November 19, 2010 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #711284
I guess the only way you will find out is to be at the airport at 6 am on Sunday, and wait for the ruckus.November 19, 2010 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #711285
I think the reason squeal hasn’t gotten back to us yet, is because security is still going through their very intrusive procedure, and squeak isn’t taking it to well.
No kilts next time. Too bad the girls don’t have that option.November 19, 2010 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #711286
post you video here so YWN can get a drudge link again on Sunday.
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