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Please share examples of Americanishe meshugasim:
They believe in life liberty and the pursuit of happiness those fruitcakes.
Glatt as a basic requirement for Kosher.
The internet…
Trolling.
Placing western values over those of the torah. retarded.
sorry, the list is tooooooo long.
What are ‘meshugasim’? Is that Chinese?
Start with Obama.
Doswin you did not write any of your own but by starting this thread you imply there are many out there. And welcome to your new screenname
Bark mitzvas. Separate kitchens for Pesach in private homes. “Glatt kosher” gambling cruises.
How about these? Personal freedom, religeous liberty,equality of oportunity, (yeah, I know that some of these are honored more in the breach than in the observance, but they are the stated founding principles of the the Nation and The U.S. has been struggling for the past 200 odd years to follow them.)
The Cynic in me says: Going to work instead of learning all day and collecting from those who work 🙁
My real answer? Fancy Shaitels. But now Americans are bringing it over to EY as well.
Chalav yisroel
chalav yisroel has nothing to do with america
all over the world yidden hold of that!!!
an american thing is chalav STAM!!
Inviting anyone and everyone you’ve ever said hello to, to your simchas, because you’re afraid of being “in their mouth” (i.e. that someone you barely know might speak badly of you) – resulting in:
A) simchas with at least 2 to 3 times the number of people who really SHOULD be there.
B) ba’alei simcha having to go deep into debt to make the simcha, AND (ironically)
C) people having to show up at the simcha who don’t even want to be there so THEY won’t be “in YOUR mouth”!
Internet blogs.
Etrogim
In Europe there was one Etrog per City, everyone shared. They were very hard to get and you heard of stories of people spending their food money or rent to get one
In Europe there was one Etrog per City, everyone shared. They were very hard to get and you heard of stories of people spending their food money or rent to get one
So you are saying that we don’t spend enough on our esrogim, since we don’t spend our food money on it?
The other part of those stories the wife usually has a fight with the husband for spending too much money and breaks the Pittom
Seeing who could die the richest.
Going to seminary/Yeshiva in EY.
I agree with you that going to Sem in EY is a meshugas. But Yeshiva’s there learn a lot better than here.
The Meshugas of America is the that we feel we belong here. It is a result of cultural assimilation. Our freedoms and comforts here make us feel we belong here and allow us to say things like sending our children to Eretz Yisrael is Meshugaas. It is the best way to instill our children with the value of Eretz Yisrael which we must keep in order to be plugged into the Torah. So long as we cling to Chutz Laaretz with our hearts we are clinging to the Tumah which is here as well. Maybe it wouldn’t be so necessary to send our children to Eretz Yisrael if they were brought up feeling they don’t belong in the strange land they currently are in. But since quite frankly our chinnuch stinks and those who put a dagesh on Eretz Hakodesh are branded as Tzionim and our children grow up subconsciously associating Artzeinu Hanechemedes with poverty and big yeshivah and seminary bills and chilonim and every other Yetzer Harah which can make us feel that America or anywhere else is a better place to be, we must therefore send them to our beautiful land and give them a real taam of Yerushalayim Ir Hakodesh, Tzfat, Tverya… I hate the fact that I live in America. Not because I hate America. I don’t, America is nice and comfortable. I love Eretz Yisrael. And if my kid wants to go to eretz yisrael, so long and as he/she will not be fooling around rachmana litzlan, I will do what I can to send them there. But if I cannot, I will cry with them over it. Not complain that I have to pay for it and sigh in relief when I don’t have to.
Being comfortable.
Hershi, that’s another Meshugas.
Going to the bungalow colony for THREE months every year. Women sit at the pool with their kids for THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, if that’s not a meshugas, what is??
How about the Americanishe meshigas that one retires at age 65. Not only is it a crazy blown-up fantasy that is filled with false pretenses, it is perhaps the WORST meshigas one can do to oneself on every level.
The biggest meshugas is that the meshugaim think they are normal. Refua Sheleima.
Fancy Weddings
Since when do you need a Smogosboard, 5 course dinner along with a 5 piece band in a fancy hall.
IMO we can learn alot from the goyim in this and have simplier wedding with maybe 50 people people with a smogosboard or in a restaurant
BaalHabooze: Didn’t Kohanim have a maximum age where they could do the avodah? I think I once once learned that it’s 50 (except the Kohen Gadol). Any idea?
Other mishugasim: separate seating at weddings, dinners, and other affairs.
Fancy Weddings
Since when do you need a Smogosboard, 5 course dinner along with a 5 piece band in a fancy hall.
It is a mishegas. We are spending way beyond our means on weddings. It is insane to spend a year’s earnings on one night.
IMO we can learn alot from the goyim in this and have simplier wedding with maybe 50 people people with a smogosboard or in a restaurant
I think we should do this. But, I don’t think we should do it for the same reason as the goyim. The goyim make simple weddings because they don’t really respect marriage as a very special thing, in the way we do. We should make simple weddings because we simply can’t afford it.
I agree about the bungalow reference. I think it is very bad for a wife and kids to leave the husband/dad alone all week and have him come up for Shabbbosim. If a family goes away, they should ALL go away together. JMO. I think the bungalow money could be better spent. I never got that mentality, to be honest. If I could afford to get away, I would want to be waited on hand and foot, not have to pack up my belongings, and then do everything I normally have to do at home (laundry, cooking, cleaning) somewhere else.
Feif Un, are you advocating mixed seating at weddings?
zdad- are you saying that each person being able to fulfill a mitzvas asei on his own is a bad thing?
feif- There was separate seating in Europe too, even if you dont like it here.
hockaroundtheclock: so sorry but the world wide web is not an american meshigas; it was invented by a brit (like most great things), a computer scientist named tim berners-lee
There, that should upset the apple cart!
Exact;y what Mitzvas Assa is it to take a 3rd mortgage on your house (IF you have equity) Max out all your credit cards (If you can do this) or if all fails go to the Chanasat Kallah and take charity so you can have the fancy wedding
Summers vacationing out of the city. I was brought up this way, in fact it was the only quality times of my childhood. I am wired to love the trees, the mountain thunder, the lake the fishing, it was my “clinging to the tumah’. BH, I was a baal koreh, and the mentions of “eretz zavat chalav u’dvash” got to me, some things in the tochecha scared me, and I had incredible feelings of guilt and failing when benching bircas hamozone. I declung. So now I am the Chulnik, the amerikanisher charedi light, the meshugener american. Go figure. DYH, I wish you the same restless spirit, and the means to act on it.
You are right, we shouldn’t vacation in the catskills, we should go to the alps like our zeides used to.
Our Zeida’s went to the Alps three months of every year?
Americanishe meshugasim
My real answer? Fancy Shaitels. But now Americans are bringing it over to EY as well.
Inviting anyone and everyone you’ve ever said hello to, to your simchas
Going to the bungalow colony for THREE months every year. Women sit at the pool with their kids for THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, if that’s not a meshugas, what is??
Fancy Weddings
Since when do you need a Smogosboard, 5 course dinner along with a 5 piece band in a fancy hall.
IMO we can learn alot from the goyim in this and have simplier wedding with maybe 50 people people with a smogosboard or in a restaurant
Lol I love it how NYers think they’re America (Outside of NY is it’s own country)
Hyperbole. Its not exclusively American, but it is found in abundance in the coffee room.
Spending lavishly on weddings is not an american meshugas – it was always done. Spending lavishly on weddings, or anything else for that matter, when you can’t afford it – that’s new.
But of course this has been discussed extensively in the past. How do most threads eventually come back to the same few topics ?!
another mishigas (which I for one will admit I do, but I think it should stop) is to spend so much on mishloach monos relative to the amount given for mattanos lo’evyonim.
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how about bombing the chosson by his Oifruff with pekelach?! I was in a shul one time where the chosson’s friends whipped their pekelach as hard as they could towards the bimah. One kid got hit badly, the father blew a fuse, and then in a fit of rage, screamed (rightfully so) at the mishiginer for bashing his little son. I don’t have to describe the mood in shul after that. The simcha was ruined and the atmosphere was tense and totally blahh! I felt so bad for the chosson.
Only chassidim had separate seating in Europe. When R’ Moshe Feinstein married off his children, there was mixed seating. At yeshiva dinners, there was mixed seating. Separate seating probably became mainstream when a Rosh Yeshiva reached for a second piece of cake, and his wife scolded him for it.
There’s a story with the Chofetz Chaim written by R’ Pam about when R’ Meir Shapiro was traveling by Radin. He wanted to eat by the Chofetz Chaim, and asked for there to be separate seating. The Chofetz Chaim refused.
Feif: When you talk about separate seating, are you talking about in your house, or at a large communal meal like a wedding or dinner.
The story of the chofetz chaim seems to be a meal in his house. What information do you have about what they did in Europe for large communal meals?
I also don’t really see how anyone could have a problem with it. To state: “there is absolutely no reason for it”, would be utter foolishness.
To say that it causes very much hardship or discomfort is also foolishness.
So maybe they didn’t do it 50 years ago. They also had mixed dancing at shul dinners 50 years ago. Big deal.
Besides, why is the relevant time 50 years ago? Why don’t you ask whether they had mixed seating in the time of the gemara? Like the gemara which says that men who teach young children are suspect because the mothers come and pick them up from school.
The Chasam Sofer and the Chofetz Chaim had separate seating by simchas. The CC didn’t have separate seating in his home with his wife – that is what your story is about, not a simcha event.
Neither the CS nor the CC were Chasidish.
Coffee-my thoughts exactly. But it seems to be the non Americans thinking NY is America in this situation. Not much of that American list sounds like life in my hick town.
I was reading in a book by Hanoch Teller about Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach.
the Rav was at some sort of event with MIXED seating and and one of the aveichim complained to the Rav.
The Rav gave the man a sharp slap in dereach eretz and spoke in front of the crowd
Some fringe movement of Jews, at a competition to see how little one has to hold on to to be considered a “praticing Jew”. No, I’m not going to spell it out.
Referring to Europe as ‘Der Heime’.
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