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February 16, 2012 3:55 am at 3:55 am #602085DoswinMember
Please share examples of Americanishe meshugasim:
February 16, 2012 4:08 am at 4:08 am #854155TheGoqParticipantThey believe in life liberty and the pursuit of happiness those fruitcakes.
February 16, 2012 4:44 am at 4:44 am #854156dash™ParticipantGlatt as a basic requirement for Kosher.
February 16, 2012 5:12 am at 5:12 am #854157hockaroundtheclockMemberThe internet…
February 16, 2012 6:33 am at 6:33 am #854159wanderingchanaParticipantTrolling.
February 16, 2012 8:11 am at 8:11 am #854160ToiParticipantPlacing western values over those of the torah. retarded.
February 16, 2012 8:19 am at 8:19 am #854161babygooseParticipantsorry, the list is tooooooo long.
February 16, 2012 8:48 am at 8:48 am #854162What are ‘meshugasim’? Is that Chinese?
February 16, 2012 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm #854163Ken ZaynMemberStart with Obama.
Doswin you did not write any of your own but by starting this thread you imply there are many out there. And welcome to your new screenname
February 16, 2012 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #854164Avi KParticipantBark mitzvas. Separate kitchens for Pesach in private homes. “Glatt kosher” gambling cruises.
February 16, 2012 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #854165Raphael KaufmanMemberHow about these? Personal freedom, religeous liberty,equality of oportunity, (yeah, I know that some of these are honored more in the breach than in the observance, but they are the stated founding principles of the the Nation and The U.S. has been struggling for the past 200 odd years to follow them.)
February 16, 2012 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #854166gavra_at_workParticipantThe Cynic in me says: Going to work instead of learning all day and collecting from those who work 🙁
My real answer? Fancy Shaitels. But now Americans are bringing it over to EY as well.
February 16, 2012 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #854167lesschumrasParticipantChalav yisroel
February 16, 2012 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #854168ha ha ha haMemberchalav yisroel has nothing to do with america
all over the world yidden hold of that!!!
an american thing is chalav STAM!!
February 16, 2012 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #854169AinOhdMilvadoParticipantInviting anyone and everyone you’ve ever said hello to, to your simchas, because you’re afraid of being “in their mouth” (i.e. that someone you barely know might speak badly of you) – resulting in:
A) simchas with at least 2 to 3 times the number of people who really SHOULD be there.
B) ba’alei simcha having to go deep into debt to make the simcha, AND (ironically)
C) people having to show up at the simcha who don’t even want to be there so THEY won’t be “in YOUR mouth”!
February 16, 2012 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #854171apushatayidParticipantInternet blogs.
February 16, 2012 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #854172zahavasdadParticipantEtrogim
In Europe there was one Etrog per City, everyone shared. They were very hard to get and you heard of stories of people spending their food money or rent to get one
February 16, 2012 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #854173popa_bar_abbaParticipantIn Europe there was one Etrog per City, everyone shared. They were very hard to get and you heard of stories of people spending their food money or rent to get one
So you are saying that we don’t spend enough on our esrogim, since we don’t spend our food money on it?
February 17, 2012 12:28 am at 12:28 am #854174zahavasdadParticipantThe other part of those stories the wife usually has a fight with the husband for spending too much money and breaks the Pittom
February 17, 2012 1:28 am at 1:28 am #854175longarekelMemberSeeing who could die the richest.
February 17, 2012 1:49 am at 1:49 am #854176apushatayidParticipantGoing to seminary/Yeshiva in EY.
February 17, 2012 2:07 am at 2:07 am #854177hershiMemberI agree with you that going to Sem in EY is a meshugas. But Yeshiva’s there learn a lot better than here.
February 17, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #854178YDNMemberThe Meshugas of America is the that we feel we belong here. It is a result of cultural assimilation. Our freedoms and comforts here make us feel we belong here and allow us to say things like sending our children to Eretz Yisrael is Meshugaas. It is the best way to instill our children with the value of Eretz Yisrael which we must keep in order to be plugged into the Torah. So long as we cling to Chutz Laaretz with our hearts we are clinging to the Tumah which is here as well. Maybe it wouldn’t be so necessary to send our children to Eretz Yisrael if they were brought up feeling they don’t belong in the strange land they currently are in. But since quite frankly our chinnuch stinks and those who put a dagesh on Eretz Hakodesh are branded as Tzionim and our children grow up subconsciously associating Artzeinu Hanechemedes with poverty and big yeshivah and seminary bills and chilonim and every other Yetzer Harah which can make us feel that America or anywhere else is a better place to be, we must therefore send them to our beautiful land and give them a real taam of Yerushalayim Ir Hakodesh, Tzfat, Tverya… I hate the fact that I live in America. Not because I hate America. I don’t, America is nice and comfortable. I love Eretz Yisrael. And if my kid wants to go to eretz yisrael, so long and as he/she will not be fooling around rachmana litzlan, I will do what I can to send them there. But if I cannot, I will cry with them over it. Not complain that I have to pay for it and sigh in relief when I don’t have to.
February 17, 2012 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #854179Derech HaMelechMemberBeing comfortable.
February 17, 2012 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm #854180apushatayidParticipantHershi, that’s another Meshugas.
February 17, 2012 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm #854181moi aussiMemberGoing to the bungalow colony for THREE months every year. Women sit at the pool with their kids for THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, if that’s not a meshugas, what is??
February 17, 2012 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #854182BaalHaboozeParticipantHow about the Americanishe meshigas that one retires at age 65. Not only is it a crazy blown-up fantasy that is filled with false pretenses, it is perhaps the WORST meshigas one can do to oneself on every level.
February 17, 2012 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #854183longarekelMemberThe biggest meshugas is that the meshugaim think they are normal. Refua Sheleima.
February 17, 2012 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #854184zahavasdadParticipantFancy Weddings
Since when do you need a Smogosboard, 5 course dinner along with a 5 piece band in a fancy hall.
IMO we can learn alot from the goyim in this and have simplier wedding with maybe 50 people people with a smogosboard or in a restaurant
February 17, 2012 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #854185Feif UnParticipantBaalHabooze: Didn’t Kohanim have a maximum age where they could do the avodah? I think I once once learned that it’s 50 (except the Kohen Gadol). Any idea?
Other mishugasim: separate seating at weddings, dinners, and other affairs.
February 17, 2012 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #854186popa_bar_abbaParticipantFancy Weddings
Since when do you need a Smogosboard, 5 course dinner along with a 5 piece band in a fancy hall.
It is a mishegas. We are spending way beyond our means on weddings. It is insane to spend a year’s earnings on one night.
IMO we can learn alot from the goyim in this and have simplier wedding with maybe 50 people people with a smogosboard or in a restaurant
I think we should do this. But, I don’t think we should do it for the same reason as the goyim. The goyim make simple weddings because they don’t really respect marriage as a very special thing, in the way we do. We should make simple weddings because we simply can’t afford it.
February 17, 2012 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #854187oomisParticipantI agree about the bungalow reference. I think it is very bad for a wife and kids to leave the husband/dad alone all week and have him come up for Shabbbosim. If a family goes away, they should ALL go away together. JMO. I think the bungalow money could be better spent. I never got that mentality, to be honest. If I could afford to get away, I would want to be waited on hand and foot, not have to pack up my belongings, and then do everything I normally have to do at home (laundry, cooking, cleaning) somewhere else.
February 19, 2012 9:41 am at 9:41 am #854188moi aussiMemberFeif Un, are you advocating mixed seating at weddings?
February 19, 2012 9:51 am at 9:51 am #854189ToiParticipantzdad- are you saying that each person being able to fulfill a mitzvas asei on his own is a bad thing?
feif- There was separate seating in Europe too, even if you dont like it here.
February 19, 2012 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #854190Ken ZaynMemberhockaroundtheclock: so sorry but the world wide web is not an american meshigas; it was invented by a brit (like most great things), a computer scientist named tim berners-lee
There, that should upset the apple cart!
February 19, 2012 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #854191zahavasdadParticipantExact;y what Mitzvas Assa is it to take a 3rd mortgage on your house (IF you have equity) Max out all your credit cards (If you can do this) or if all fails go to the Chanasat Kallah and take charity so you can have the fancy wedding
February 19, 2012 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #854192twistedParticipantSummers vacationing out of the city. I was brought up this way, in fact it was the only quality times of my childhood. I am wired to love the trees, the mountain thunder, the lake the fishing, it was my “clinging to the tumah’. BH, I was a baal koreh, and the mentions of “eretz zavat chalav u’dvash” got to me, some things in the tochecha scared me, and I had incredible feelings of guilt and failing when benching bircas hamozone. I declung. So now I am the Chulnik, the amerikanisher charedi light, the meshugener american. Go figure. DYH, I wish you the same restless spirit, and the means to act on it.
February 19, 2012 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #854193apushatayidParticipantYou are right, we shouldn’t vacation in the catskills, we should go to the alps like our zeides used to.
February 19, 2012 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #854194NaysbergMemberOur Zeida’s went to the Alps three months of every year?
February 19, 2012 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #854195☕️coffee addictParticipantAmericanishe meshugasim
My real answer? Fancy Shaitels. But now Americans are bringing it over to EY as well.
Inviting anyone and everyone you’ve ever said hello to, to your simchas
Going to the bungalow colony for THREE months every year. Women sit at the pool with their kids for THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, if that’s not a meshugas, what is??
Fancy Weddings
Since when do you need a Smogosboard, 5 course dinner along with a 5 piece band in a fancy hall.
IMO we can learn alot from the goyim in this and have simplier wedding with maybe 50 people people with a smogosboard or in a restaurant
Lol I love it how NYers think they’re America (Outside of NY is it’s own country)
February 19, 2012 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #854196apushatayidParticipantHyperbole. Its not exclusively American, but it is found in abundance in the coffee room.
February 20, 2012 12:30 am at 12:30 am #854197LogicianParticipantSpending lavishly on weddings is not an american meshugas – it was always done. Spending lavishly on weddings, or anything else for that matter, when you can’t afford it – that’s new.
But of course this has been discussed extensively in the past. How do most threads eventually come back to the same few topics ?!
February 23, 2012 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #854198BaalHaboozeParticipantanother mishigas (which I for one will admit I do, but I think it should stop) is to spend so much on mishloach monos relative to the amount given for mattanos lo’evyonim.
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how about bombing the chosson by his Oifruff with pekelach?! I was in a shul one time where the chosson’s friends whipped their pekelach as hard as they could towards the bimah. One kid got hit badly, the father blew a fuse, and then in a fit of rage, screamed (rightfully so) at the mishiginer for bashing his little son. I don’t have to describe the mood in shul after that. The simcha was ruined and the atmosphere was tense and totally blahh! I felt so bad for the chosson.
February 23, 2012 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #854199Feif UnParticipantOnly chassidim had separate seating in Europe. When R’ Moshe Feinstein married off his children, there was mixed seating. At yeshiva dinners, there was mixed seating. Separate seating probably became mainstream when a Rosh Yeshiva reached for a second piece of cake, and his wife scolded him for it.
There’s a story with the Chofetz Chaim written by R’ Pam about when R’ Meir Shapiro was traveling by Radin. He wanted to eat by the Chofetz Chaim, and asked for there to be separate seating. The Chofetz Chaim refused.
February 23, 2012 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #854200popa_bar_abbaParticipantFeif: When you talk about separate seating, are you talking about in your house, or at a large communal meal like a wedding or dinner.
The story of the chofetz chaim seems to be a meal in his house. What information do you have about what they did in Europe for large communal meals?
I also don’t really see how anyone could have a problem with it. To state: “there is absolutely no reason for it”, would be utter foolishness.
To say that it causes very much hardship or discomfort is also foolishness.
So maybe they didn’t do it 50 years ago. They also had mixed dancing at shul dinners 50 years ago. Big deal.
Besides, why is the relevant time 50 years ago? Why don’t you ask whether they had mixed seating in the time of the gemara? Like the gemara which says that men who teach young children are suspect because the mothers come and pick them up from school.
February 23, 2012 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #854201cheftzeMemberThe Chasam Sofer and the Chofetz Chaim had separate seating by simchas. The CC didn’t have separate seating in his home with his wife – that is what your story is about, not a simcha event.
Neither the CS nor the CC were Chasidish.
February 23, 2012 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #854202🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantCoffee-my thoughts exactly. But it seems to be the non Americans thinking NY is America in this situation. Not much of that American list sounds like life in my hick town.
February 23, 2012 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #854203zahavasdadParticipantI was reading in a book by Hanoch Teller about Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach.
the Rav was at some sort of event with MIXED seating and and one of the aveichim complained to the Rav.
The Rav gave the man a sharp slap in dereach eretz and spoke in front of the crowd
February 23, 2012 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #854204ZeesKiteParticipantSome fringe movement of Jews, at a competition to see how little one has to hold on to to be considered a “praticing Jew”. No, I’m not going to spell it out.
February 24, 2012 3:57 am at 3:57 am #854205HaLeiViParticipantReferring to Europe as ‘Der Heime’.
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