Andrew Cuomo – or – Carl Paladino? Why?

Carl Paladino, hands down.

Why? Cause I’m a Torah Jew, and that rules out baby killer toeiva-supporting Andy.

Paladino’s position on abortion is NOT the Torah position, but that of the Catholic Church, which would have women die rather than permit an abortion. At least that is what his campaign web site seems to say.

CH: Every sheigitz does porn. What else is new? Check out the reason why Cuomo got divorced. Its a lot worse than that.

And what the media plays up about Paladino, being angry and bombastic, politicians {which Paladino is not} are worse.

And Silver IS a disgrace with his full support of toeiva, abortion-on-demand (incl. third trimester), against yeshiva vouchers, etc.

Paladino will VETO toeiva marriage, if Shelly Silver pushes it through the Assembly, unlike Cuomo.

Reasons to vote for:

Paladino- represents a much closer view to ours on issues of morality, foreign affairs, israel, taxes, safety, terrorism, law and order, religious freedom, immigration, and more.

Cuomo- will give us money, free health care, food stamps, etc.

The Torah does not allow abortion under any circumstances for goyim. (see Maseches Sanhedrin 57b). It is allowed for yidden, although when it comes to policy decisions in a mostly goyishe country, if we want to think of the torah approach, we have to think what the halacha is for goyim. That is why the pro-life position is consistent with halacha. Situations in which the “life of the mother” is threatened to the point of abortion being necessary is a rare occurance these days, as medicine has advanced greatly, into areas such as maternal-fetal medicine, obstetric medicine, etc. A goy who aborts is considered chayav misa even. This is according to R’ Unterman, R’ Miller, Reb Moshe, and many other sources. Paladino is not perfect, and has skeletons in his closet, but it is not my place to judge whether or not he is a good Catholic. The question is who has better policies for those of us who pay taxes, are committed to strong values, etc. It is a no-brainer- Paladino .

I don;t know about you, but I like keeping the money I make. If taxes were cut, remember, we could all give a lot more tzedakah to acheinu bnei yisroel in need.

And you should have some kavod hatorah. It is RABBI Yehuda Levin. The man is a mentsch and is on the nesius of the Igud HaRabbonim of America. His actions are a kiddush hashem. He is also a talmid chacham. (I have spoken to him on several occasions, and it is obvious when you speak to him that he knows shas well).

rebdoniel,

The money you make is not yours. It belongs to HaShem.

And is Silver not a frum Jew because he doesn’t wear is tzitzit out? How do you know that he wasn’t told by his rabbi not to wear a yarmulke in public? I’m aware of other Orthodox public figures who are not rabbis that they MUST not wear a yarmulke because people might think that they are a rabbi and that their public statements might mistaken for halachah. Furthermore, in most of Europe, even the most frum Jews don’t wear yarmulkes. Two summers ago I visited two European capitals and the only Jews I ever saw with a yarmulke were tourists from America like myself. In fact, one of my rabbis went out of his way to forbid me from thinking negatively about European Jews who did not wear yarmulkes.

Helpful: You said “Every sheigitz does porn. What else is new?”

I am just reading this thread out of interest in what NY residents think the issues are. I don’t live in NY or even in the US. However, remarks like yours are derogatory to say the least and at best, are generalizations. I suppose that you can speak for every gentile in the world. Yes, they are gentiles, not goyim, which although is a Hebrew word, has a negative connotation in English – same as shiksah. There are many moral, upright people in the world and not all of them are Jewish. It is careless remarks like yours that do much to promote anti-semitism.

Mario Cuomo, Al Gore, wow. You sure know how to choose ’em.

I have spoken with him in learning quite a few times. He is a talmid chacham and someone to be respected on that basis.

Others who have learned with him know that he knows shas cold.

Tosfos to Sanhedrin 59a (DH ???? ????? ??????? ???

says that even though a yisroel is patur for killing a fetus, he is nevertheless not permitted to do so.

The Koach Shor says that by Bnei Noach, there is no heter to abort, even to save the life of a mother. Rambam, he says, does not allow for this, and he notes that the Minchas Chinuch adds that a Ben Noach may not violate any of the sheva mitzvos to save a life.

There are several other examples of instances where it seems Noachide law is stricter than Sinaitic law- yefes toar, stricter standards for theft (albeit due to different social standards, notes Rashi), etc.

The point is that we do not hold like the Gemara for halacha le maaseh. The poskim more or less do hold that there is a stricter standard involved for Noachides than Jews on this matter, and this has obvious poltiical ramifications for Jews voting in a majority non-Jewish society. It is not as intuitive as a claim as one would think.

Pointing out the faults of a politician who is Jewish is not loshon hara. It is making the obvious known.

“Pointing out the faults of a politician who is Jewish is not loshon hara. It is making the obvious known.”

It seems like you’re justifying but is this halachacly correct?

R’ Yehuda Levin may know shas but too often he argues with the mainstream.

It just happens thta you decided to quote evry posek maikil on this issue and ignored shitos that are more machmir (Reb Moshe, R’ Menashe Klein, R’ Isser Yehuda Unterman, Behag, and the list goes on and on). We can go on and on all day like this. You hold your way and I hold mine.

Does anyone have anything to add besides the abortion issue?

(I’ll chime in with my preference later)

Has the time yet arrived? 🙂

Good for you, Mr. Hirsch

Karl Rove asserted the claims I made above in his weekly op-ed today in the WSJ. Democrats and ‘Poisoned’ Politics – Incumbents launch personal attacks to divert attention from the economy’s poor performance (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703735804575535701710358606.html).

Here’s yet another reason why Paladino will get my vote:

”’Like a bat out of tax hell”’

(Opinion by Patrick McIlheran for the Journal Sentinel)

They speak a different language in New Jersey, really.

New Jersey’s governor, Chris Christie, stopped by Waukesha the other day to stump for Wisconsin’s Republican candidate for governor, Scott Walker, and he was explaining the value of being direct when negotiating with political opponents. One cannot, he said, merely tell foes what they want to hear.

Frank discussion? Straight talk? Yeah, something like that. Said Christie, “If you don’t want to be on the team, you bet I’m going to take a bat out and hit you.”

Christie talks that way, which is why in 10 months of being governor, he’s become a YouTube star via clips of him confronting hecklers. What has made him a star among conservatives is that he has tamed powerful public-sector unions whose pay and benefits were driving New Jersey’s cost of government far beyond taxpayers’ toleration. He talked big, followed through and won.

This is cheery news for many places, including Wisconsin, where public-sector pay is above that of the private sector and benefits are far above. For one graspable instance, state law here requires public employees to contribute something toward their retirement; in reality, taxpayers are compelled to cover this for them. This is so absurd that in a Refocus Wisconsin poll in June, 73% of union households said this should change. It’s good to hear someone who might know how.

We and Jersey reached this pass not because public employees are greedy. They aren’t. They just took the offered deal. Were your boss to say you could get premium-free health, free pension, high pay and ironclad security, of course you’d take it. I would.

Nor is it because unions are greedy, exactly. Their purpose is to maximize what members get, and they’re doing it. Where they can be faulted is that they’ve become huge players in politics, electing the officials with whom they bargain.

The main fault lies with those elected officials. They have, over decades, tended to give in, buying themselves peace with taxpayer money. Both Republicans and Democrats have been among the spineless.

This is why Christie’s been a sensation. Certainly it must be surprising, even in New Jersey, to hear a governor evoking that scene in “The Untouchables.” One hastens to add that there’s no sign Christie ever actually struck anyone with a bat or anything, though fact-checkers may yet dig up some Little League mishap. Presumably, voters know it’s metaphor. His approval ratings are, depending on the poll, either even or, at 57%, rising.

The really shocking thing is to see an official, especially a Republican, who is forceful in driving a hard bargain with taxpayers’ money rather than caving the moment someone says he’s mean. Christie could do this in part because New Jersey governors are powerful and he has the personality. But those aren’t prerequisites, Christie insists. His success is duplicatable.

“This is all working through the legislature,” he said, “a Democratic legislature, I might add.” That body approved Christie’s package of 401(k)-style plans, employee contributions, an end to double-dips and other good sense even as unions howled in mass protests. The bat Christie took out was his power of persuasion.

You persuade, he says, by telling cold truth. His state was going broke. He said so, repeatedly and to all. You can’t have voters look you in the eye, he said, and wonder whether you’re just placating them. They must hear that when government labor is costly, less essential service can be afforded by taxpayers’ finite wallets.

This must be duplicated, Christie said, because having enough fiscally conservative governors could pressure Washington into reform. He’s touring to support like-minded candidates such as Walker, he says, because if fiscal conservatism ever had moment, it’s now. “It’s put up or shut up time for the Republican Party,” he said.

It is so for the whole idea that we can govern ourselves at reasonable cost. Unless fiscal conservatives who are willing to push hard on labor costs and spending make it into office, the public sector will ever more resemble a racket existing chiefly for the enrichment of public servants. Self-government cannot withstand that.

”’I’d like to see the same bat in Albany – Paladino promised it would.”’

Thank you fabie. R’Miller zt’l was a gaon in hashkafa and torah, and his recommended spiritual hanhagos really make a person feel close to HaKadosh Baruch Hu. Many yidden and even goyim have benefitted greatly from his teachings. We need a gadol b”yisroel like him once again.

I tried hinting to my wife that I want the R’ Miller shiurpod but at $1800 it’s a little too much.

Oh, Mod, that was a good link. I’m downloading now.

The program doesn’t work too well for me. It keeps on closing down.

Things seem to be getting hot in the Coffee Room. Maybe we should all cool down!

so right,

Rabbi Avi Weiss demonstrates against anti-Semites. Yehuda Levin tries to get us to elect them to public office. ‘Nuf said.

so right, Yehuda Levin had puppetdino refer to 2 more accepted gedolim without the title rav. he isnt deserving of the title.

being a talmid muvhak doesnt make you worthy of a title.

where did you get the full transcript from? I stand corrected on that point assuming (I do) it’s true.