May 25, 2017 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #1286021
The Demonstration is expected to have over 50,000 people in attendance, does anyone know more details?May 25, 2017 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1286034bmyerParticipant
No to the details but I’m pretty sure the barclays center doesn’t seat anywhere near 50,000..more like 15,000…May 25, 2017 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1286046WolfishMusingsParticipant
Thank you for advising me where not to be. The complete Rasha that I am does not support your cause.
The WolfMay 26, 2017 7:27 am at 7:27 am #1286133MDGParticipant
What will the demonstration accomplish?
Is there a price to enter?May 26, 2017 10:21 am at 10:21 am #1286222MenoParticipant
There’s a guy in the coffee room, I think his name is something like kj chosid.
He would probably know the details.May 26, 2017 10:32 am at 10:32 am #1286232BoysWorkParticipant
I was just reading an article on foxnews.com written by Marc Thiessen.
He describes how the Palestinians really do not want peace (duh!) However, this sentence hit home because it shows that Satmar is EXACTLY like the Palestinians. And I quote:
<b>Palestinian leaders fill their people with hatred for Israel every single day</b>
So tell me KJ Chusid and the rest of you, how are you different? All one needs to be is replace the word Palestinian with Satmar and the same holds true.May 26, 2017 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1286263
From the Barclay Center website:
“Barclays Center, which opened on September 28, 2012, offers 17,732 seats for basketball, 15,795 for hockey, and up to 19,000 seats for concerts, and has 101 luxury suites, four bars/lounges, four clubs, and 40/40 CLUB & Restaurant by American Express.”
Perhaps the additional 30,000 people will tune in via pay per view?May 26, 2017 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1286261
Actually this protest is scheduled to have Litvishers along with other many chassidish groups beside satmar, so u can’t just rant satmar this timeMay 26, 2017 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1286253
While everyone is entitled to their (wrong) opinion, its difficult to avoid the most harsh and angry words for the despicable yidden who would create such a high profile event to bash EY and its institutions. Yes, there are some worth Satmar mosdos who do incredible work here in hospitals etc., this chilul hashem trivializes those efforts. One does not explicitly wish bad outcomes for other yidden but in this case, perhaps just for those in the leadership of this event whose theme threatens the legitimacy of EY at a time its very existence is being challenged from anti-semitim on all sides. Their mindless claims that all yidden would be safe and thrive in a Palestinian controlled state until z’man moisiach are evidence of how out of touch with reality they are. Hopefully, they might realize the evil they plan and do tshuvah before this actually moves forward.May 26, 2017 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1286250
According to another website it is a “Protest against the Israeli Draft of Bnei Yeshiva” not an “anti zionist” demonstration.May 26, 2017 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1286249Avi KParticipant
How many are erev rav and how many are Jihadists?May 26, 2017 11:59 am at 11:59 am #1286293KotlorismParticipant
No one drafting Yeshiva Bochrim. Since the establishment of the state, all Yehsiva boys need to do is go to the draft center and get their deferment. Everyone does it. EVERYONE. Satmar included.
This is the Peleg yerushalmi and has NOTHING to do with true bnei torah. These are the animals who have robbed hundreds of thousands of Jews of their precious time by shutting down highways for no reason.
No Bochur that follows the rule gets drafted.
EVERYONE does this: Satmar, Vishnitz, Belz, Litvish, Chassidish, Sefardim – EVERYONE.
These are a few reshoyim who decided to fight the Gadol hadol, Rav Shteinman Shlita and convinced Rav Shmuel Auerbach that this is what needs to be done. Satmar (the Zalys) gleefully jumped on board with the peleg as they have vile sinah towards Rav Shteinman.
This is a despicable disgusting slap in the face to the Gadol Hador – being led by a few gangsters in yerushalayim.
If anyone knows the 3 “litvish roshei yeshiva” in america who are behind this….
One is a mesarev l’din to Rav Moshe Feinstein (it’s not lashon hara according to the Shulchan Aruch to say his name, but I wont).
One is a person who needed a heter meah rabbonim to get married.
And one (shocker) also needed a heter meah rabbonim to get married….
And the second two roshei yeshiva have hatred over their divorces towards the Gedolim in Bnei Brak.
This has nothign to do with a draft.
Satmar are evil people who are having a blast right now that they got a few litvish yeshiva on board with their shita.
This will soon backfire like an atomic bomb in their faces.
What a chillul hashem of epic proportions.May 26, 2017 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm #1286301
The Asifa will be on Sunday, 17 Sivan/June 11, at the Barclays Center.
Rabbonim attending include, among others, HaGaon HaRav Aharon Schechter shlita, Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivas Rabbeinu Chaim Berlin and HaGaon HaRav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshiva Gedolah Zichron Moshe of South Fallsburg.May 26, 2017 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1286313
They can make an Asifa to protest Drafting, but they are powerless against abusers , thieves and agunahsMay 26, 2017 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #1286315
Are they also powerless against cancer, car accidents, the common cold, bank robberies, poverty and mental disorders?May 26, 2017 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1286327
Cancer and Car Accidents are not issues just related to Yiddishkeit.May 26, 2017 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #1286346KotlorismParticipant
Joseph is in full Neturei Karta mode for a change. Straight up Satmar….and of course Chaim Berlin. Drink that cool-aid baby.
That’s what this Peleg is. A bunch of blogging borderline personality disorders fabricating things all day.
Repeat a big lie enough, and you start believing it yourself.
Nothing changed in the draft. Nothing at all. Satmar still goes to the draft office and gets deferments. The Satmar Rov ZTL himself held they should do this.
Bunch of hateful people. All agendas and about kavod and money.May 26, 2017 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #1286366
zd “Cancer and Car Accidents are not issues just related to Yiddishkeit.”
Abusers and thieves are not issues just related to Yiddishkeit.May 26, 2017 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #1286367bmyerParticipant
“Yes, there are some worth Satmar mosdos who do incredible work here in hospitals etc., this chilul hashem trivializes those efforts”.
Are you hashem? Do you know what hashem considers great or trivial? How do you that it’s a chilul hashem? If done right it can be a major kiddush hashem…
“Their mindless claims”
The Satmar rebbe was a bigger tzaddik than you or I will ever be even though we may not agree and our rabbanim might not agree that does not mean you can disrespect hashem and those close to him…May 26, 2017 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #1286369
Have the two rabbonim (Shechter and Wachtflacht) who are the featured speakers at this “asifah against the draft” (aka Bash the IDF) offered any intelligent proposals as to how EY should defend itself against terrorists if everyone gets a draft derferral? Have they proposed some form of alternative public service for the yungerleit who they insist not serve in the IDF? I guess they believe that if everyone just sits and shteigs behind a shtender , the terrorists will simply go away and attack Lichtenstein. Its too bad the IDF cannot just selectively protect the rest of EY and leave these idiots to fend for themselves.May 26, 2017 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #1286388gildaParticipant
Sooo much anti semitism around the world – were just giving them the go ahead with such demonstrationsMay 27, 2017 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #1286397
Dorah: No one advocated that “everyone gets a draft derferral”. Only those who learn Torah. Since most men in Israel, unfortunately, don’t learn Torah – they can join the army.May 27, 2017 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1286393
godolhadorah: I guess you don’t know who these GEDOLIM are….Harav Shechter, The Rosh Yeshiva of Chaim Berlin and Rav Wachtfogel, the Mashgiach of the South Fallsburg yeshiva (at least have the decency to spell his name correctly). The problem with our generation is that we are putting our faith in the IDF and not the Gedolei Hador (despite your self titled name).May 28, 2017 1:55 am at 1:55 am #1286452
You miss the point…we need BOTH the IDF and limud torah. At virtually every point in our history, limud torah has not meant turning our backs on self-defense. These rabbonim (and R’ Auerbach and the mindless “Pelegim” in EY) have decided that everyone else except them should leave their families and risk their lives to protect the tzibur.May 28, 2017 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1286454shualiParticipant
Nobody is bashing the IDF and certainly not Eretz Yisroel. We are simply concerned for the future of the Olam HaTorah in Eretz Yisroel and ergo Eretz Yisroel itself. While it is true that all that was needed in the past was to register and the deferment was quick in coming, that is no longer the case. See this week’s FJJ for an explanation.May 28, 2017 7:36 am at 7:36 am #1286480
No godolhadorah YOU missed the point. Your post was totally dismissive of two of the gedolei hador.May 28, 2017 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #1286954
There actually are intelligent things to be said on this subject.
It’s a shame that people would apparently rather go straight to calling their fellow Jews “animals”, “despicable”, “evil people”, etc.
And then seamlessly shift into a complaint about sinas chinam, of course.
I can’t resist repeating one particularly pertinent quote:
“A bunch of blogging borderline personality disorders fabricating things all day.”May 28, 2017 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #1287054
cmon this isnt lishmah one bit, just a way to have fun.
” Its too bad the IDF cannot just selectively protect the rest of EY and leave these idiots to fend for themselves.”
I cant believe you said that. From beginning to end a statement that’s callous, immature, and stupid. These “idiots” are a lot smarter than you it seems. You have no clue what it means to be a gadol hador, especially if it goes against what you feel.
This whole thread is a setup for fighting.
What kind of logic says that because a person had a heter meah rabbanim he loses credibility? I personally have a friend who went against what r elya ber said and crazy stuff happend. I would not start up.
This isnt a logical discussion, just an emotional slanderfest for chidren. Enjoy your kabalas hatorah with the gedolim,May 28, 2017 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #1287283
I dont get it, my post was worse than the other ones? She said the idf should let the idiots fend for themselves. Thts ok but not what i said?
The heter meah rabonim does not make anyone lose credibility. Cant believe someone uses that as a way to put down big people and say what they want. You really want to start up with them?
1) “…offered any intelligent proposals as to how EY should defend itself against terrorists if everyone gets a draft derferral?”
2) “Have they proposed some form of alternative public service for the yungerleit who they insist not serve in the IDF?”
What does 2 have to do with anything? are you fearing for the lives of jews or is this about it being unfair that theyre off scott free?
I cant judge you because my yztr hara isnt to show that i know better than the big rabbis bh.
Enjoy kabalas hatorah without gedolimMay 28, 2017 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #1287310
What was originally meant as a limited waiver of the draft for a small number of serious learners has morphed over the years to a sense of entitlement for ANY chareidi bochur to avoid the draft or any form of alternative public service and shift the burden on to others. There are tens of thousands of frum bochurim who have served in the IDF and who gain valuable professional and leadership skills and go on to live a life of torah while contributing the welfare of the medinah. The small number of rabbonim who encourage the Peleg demonstrations that disrupt the evergday lives of hundreds of thousand of yidden in Yerushalayim and who tolerate the vile attacks on the chayalim of the IDF who walk on the streets of yerushalayim are the ones who should be condemned.May 29, 2017 7:28 am at 7:28 am #1287410takahmamashParticipant
We are simply concerned for the future of the Olam HaTorah in Eretz Yisroel and ergo Eretz Yisroel itself.
We? Who is “we?” Armchair hockers living in America? If you’re so concerned about the future of the Olam HaTorah in E”Y, get on a plane, make aliyah, and make a difference here. Asifot in America against Israeli policies mean nothing and accomplish nothing.May 29, 2017 8:16 am at 8:16 am #1287413
I can tell you the headlines for the NY Times and CNN for the day after the event
“Ultra Orthodox Jews Protest Israel at Barclays Center in Brooklyn”
They are looking for press coverage, If they did not they would not pick a venue like the Barclys and picked a venue that would not be so prominentMay 29, 2017 11:28 am at 11:28 am #1287528
The NK and some of the Satmar zealots are NOT “ultra-orthodox” Jews but a fringe group of Jewish descent who claim to represent the “true” version of their religious faith to the same extent ISIS claims to represent “true Islam”. Bachol dor v’dor we find a small number of disturbed individuals seeking to glorify themselves in the guise of Kiddush hashem but instead put all of Klal Yisroel at risk. Fortunately, in every case, the Ebeshter has squashed these efforts and will do so again here.May 29, 2017 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1287598
The Brisker Rov zt’l was very close to Rav Amram Blau zt’l, founder of Neteurei Karta.May 29, 2017 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #1287611
why is this being billed by some ywn “experts” as a Satmar anti Zionist event when it doesnt appear to be driven by satmar, or anti zionism.May 29, 2017 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1287751
“The small number of rabbonim who encourage the Peleg demonstrations that disrupt the evergday lives of hundreds of thousand of yidden in Yerushalayim and who tolerate the vile attacks on the chayalim of the IDF who walk on the streets of yerushalayim are the ones who should be condemned.”
thats a different discussion than were having because this about a demonstration in new yorkMay 29, 2017 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1287629
The Satmar Rebbe attends alongside Rav Aharon Schechter and Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel.May 29, 2017 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1287628WolfishMusingsParticipant
It’s a shame that people would apparently rather go straight to calling their fellow Jews “animals”, “despicable”, “evil people”, etc.
I did not call any other Jew any of those names or anything even similar to them?
The WolfMay 29, 2017 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #1287896
Then I’m not talking about you.May 29, 2017 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1287939
Whether this event is held in NYC, Yerushalayim or Bnai Brak, its stated purpose is the issue, NOT the venue. The ability to physically defend against terrorism is an existential issue for EY and those rabbonim and askanim or promote defiance of the draft law or encourage verbal and physical assaults on the brave chayalim of the IDF will hopefully incur the consequences of their actions. For decades, EY had a workable system for providing draft waivers for true learners, not the tens of thousand of bochurim who seemingly have time on their hands for every sort of demonstration rather than shteiging 24×7.May 29, 2017 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #1288061
The stated purpose of this venue is not the same as you think. Im pretty sure none of these american gedolim listed ever encouraged verbal or physical assualts on the brave chayalim. Its a demonstration against the draft.May 29, 2017 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1288292
Its very differnt having an even in Israel vs having it in NYC and very different between having it at the main Satmar Shul (Only chosen for this point because I belive its the largest orthodox shul in New Yotk State) and could hold and having it at a very prominent place like th BarclaysMay 30, 2017 12:06 am at 12:06 am #1288296
oyyoyyoy, GH & Co are well aware that the purpose of this venue is not to encourage verbal or physical assualts on anybody. But they like to obfuscate the issue so they can excuse insulting and wishing harm upon those that they disagree with.
As you’ve pointed out yourself, cmon this isnt lishmah one bit, just a way to have fun.May 30, 2017 10:04 am at 10:04 am #1288377
If anyone really believes that these type of “anti-Zionist” demonstrations, kinus, asifahs etc. do not contribute to the global pressures on EY, increased anti-Semitism, J-Street type groups, divestment of holdings in Israeli companies etc. you are sadly mistaken. None of these individually can be traced to a particular event but collectively they weaken EY. Having dozens of black hats by the U.N. screaming anti-Israeli rants or thousands at Barclays defaming the IDF only bring smiles to the white supremacists, racists, and Islamic terrorists. If that is your agenda and you think these demonstrations will bring down the medinah, you will not be successful.May 30, 2017 10:05 am at 10:05 am #1288379
“Its a demonstration against the draft. ”
Is it?May 30, 2017 10:55 am at 10:55 am #1288393
It’s a demonstration against the draft and against the Zionist State that enacted it.May 30, 2017 11:23 am at 11:23 am #1288412
It is not a demonstration against the draft
its a demonstration against REGISTERING for the draftMay 30, 2017 11:40 am at 11:40 am #1288388simple logicParticipant
Based on your comment it is clear that you are completely uninformed about what is going on in Eretz Yisroel.
There is a clear disagreement between the Gedolei Hador about how to fight for religious Jews not to go to the army.This is a well known fact for the past 15 years since the nachal hachareidi was started with the supposed approval of Maran Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman Shlit”a (Rav Shteinman later wrote a letter that it was originally created only for Mechalelai Shabbos and Chayavei Krisos) at that time letters came out from many of the Gedolei Hador including: Rav michel Yehudah Lefkowitz, Rav Moshe Shmuel Shapiro, Rav Michel Feinstein, Rav Chaim Pinchas Sheinberg, Rav Dovid Soloveitchik, and Rav Shmuel Auerbach and many others strongly disagreeing to any discussion of compromise in this area. A few years ago when the law was past that the government will have to put in a half a billion shekel into trying to get chareidim to come to the army there was a Shayla how to fight it Rav Yigal Rosen a close confidant of Rav Shteinman published a letter in the Yated Neeman explaining that Rav Shteinman is in the midst of deciding what to do about the law, he explains that although they are not planning on drafting anyone now and all they want is that everyone should come to the Lishka Hagiyus to get a deferment, on the surface there seems to be no problem, however, it is not at all simple, because in the meanwhile they are trying to get as many weak bochurim as they can and eventually that will make it much easier for them to forcibly draft a large part of the Yeshiva world, therefore perhaps we should fight it now, by not registering even for a deferment, he writes that Rav Shteinman has been looking into the Shayla for a few weeks and has not yet decided. Eventualy, Rav Aharon Leib was quoted as saying that Bochurim should continue getting a deferment. Rav Shmuel however disagrees and with him are hundreds of Roshei Yeshiva and Rabbonim.
A very cheap way of getting away from the fact that there is a machlokes between 2 gedolei hador is to say that ” a few reshaim ” convinced R’ Shmuel.
It’s interesting that you don’t have a problem saying that a few Reshaim were able to convince Rav Shmuel, who gives Shiurim publicly a few times a week and anyone can approach him and talk to him, but you can’t hear that maybe a few people convinced Rav Shteinman who is a 104, doesn’t ever speak publicly and it is impossible for the public to get to talk to him for more than a Bracha. I protest the lack of Kavod Hatorah to write on a Yeshiva website that a few people can convince -either Rav Shteinman or Rav Shmuel- to do what they want.May 30, 2017 11:40 am at 11:40 am #1288414
I tried to clarify, but the post wasn’t let throughMay 30, 2017 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1288433iacisrmmaParticipant
As “Shuali” state above, see the current issue of the Flatbush Jewish Journal where Harav Shechter clearly describes what the concerns of the Roshei Yeshiva are. There is no mention of any rally at Barclay’s Center.
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