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    Ready503310
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    I am thinking of taking the N.Y.P.D test to become a police officer. Any frum police officers or anyone in the process. I was told its a really long waiting list. Do they respect Shabbos and let you take off? Any info would really be helpful. Do they take credits from B.M.G or any other Yeshiva?

    #846546
    gavra_at_work
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    I know of a few. (and there is a long list, from what I understand) It is not simple, ask YLOR

    #846547
    BTGuy
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    Hi Ready503310.

    I once read an article on a frum law enforcement officer working for the sheriffs department in Rockaway, NY. Other than that, I only know of frum people in the military who are able to keep kosher and observe Shabbos, Succos, Pesach..etc.

    Also, there are many jobs within the NYPD held by officers, such as accountants, computers, statistics, programs and policies, etc.

    Hatzlacha!!

    #846548
    Jothar
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    A former student of my yeshiva who became a cop stopped by on Purim. I asked to see his badge, and he showed me his badge. I told him, “Remind me not to hang around YOU tonight!”

    I was drunk and I thought it was funny…

    #846549
    kfb
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    Yes I know one very well. He didn’t work on Shabbos but had to work Sundays instead. Good Luck!

    #846550
    A Heimishe Mom
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    There are a few. It can’t be an easy profession, but with the right attitude and department you can do a lot of good for the community.

    Hatzlacha!

    #846551
    mommamia22
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    I know one personally (relative of a relative; met once or twice/frum) another I know of through a friend. I would imagine since there are frum cops it’s possible to be shomer Shabbos. I wouldn’t let a long list deter you if it’s what you want. I was told while in college the profession of my choice was flooded. Guess what? Years later it still is and girls are still going into these professions AND getting jobs.

    #846552
    apushatayid
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    I know someone who has been with the NYPD since the early 80’s.

    #846553
    popa_bar_abba
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    I know two.

    One of them was in yeshiva with me for many years before joining NYPD.

    I think they have a frum chaplain also, you should contact him.

    #846554
    cantoresq
    Member

    A very good friend of mine is the highest ranked frum office in the NYPD; an Inspector, which is just below the various levels of Chief.

    #846555
    Ready503310
    Member

    Are they happy with the job?

    #846556
    RABBAIM
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    Call the assistant to the Police Commisioner who is frum. He will advise you.

    #846557
    Ready503310
    Member

    Who is the assistant to the Police Chief? I’m just looking for some guidance into it.

    #846558
    Queen Bee
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    Ready503310, I think it’s really cool that you want to be a police officer. I wish you a lot of luck!

    #846559
    ronrsr
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    there is also a fraternal society within the NYPD of Jewish officers called the Shomrim. It was founded in 1924.

    The goal of the society “so that Law Enforcement Officers of the Jewish faith may join together for the Welfare of all.”

    Most famously Capt. Max Finkelstein was appointed by Fiorello Laguardia in 1938 to oversee the security of visiting Nazi/German officials and to guard the German Embassy, Consulate, and to keep an eye on other suspected Nazi sympathizers. The entire NYPD security staff for the German Consulate was Jewish. This is what happens when you have a good Jewish Mayor like Fiorello Laguardia.

    (source: “Police Detail Made Up Solely of Jews Will Guard the German Officials Here”. The New York Times: p. 9. 17 November 1938)

    LaGuardia’s fine attention to the police detail was probably inspired by a decision by Theodore Roosevelt, when he was NY Police Commissioner to guard an unwelcome antisemitic preacher with 40 Jewish police officers.

    For more on the current activities of the Shomrim Society, see

    http://nypdshomrim.org/

    #846560
    babygoose
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    ive got 2 cousins in it. they love it. one of them did expirience some anti semitisim and the other one is in the 66th pcnt. and loves it cuz it’s close to home, and helps protect borough park, so he likes it.

    agav, before you become a polic officer, make sure you yourself abide to all the laws… i don’t like hypocrites.

    #846561
    Ready503310
    Member

    The Shomrim society is not a frum organization, its a Jewish burial group as per its website. Do you think Orthodox Jews who become cops are looked down upon? Should I look out of NYC?

    #846562
    oomis
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    I also thought the Shomrim were a group of Orthodox Jewish cops.

    #846563
    Toi
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    i know a dude who was a cop. now he lives in israel.

    #846564
    blabla
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    I’ll only help you if you don’t give me a ticket 😉

    #846565
    ronrsr
    Member

    I think it’s very important to have some frum police officers.

    #846566
    gregaaron
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    Just make sure that you’re not assigned to patrol (in terms of traffic stops and parking tickets) any frum neighborhoods…

    #846567
    Jothar
    Member

    Gregaaron, Reb Moshe ZT”L paskened that a frum Jew can work as an auditor. As for traffic tickets, the traffic laws are there for a reason. Blocking hydrants and running reds can kill people. A Jewish cop is perfectly allowed to write tickets.

    #846568
    gregaaron
    Member

    @Jothar:

    Really? How many people do you know who have been killed for parking twelve feet from a hydrant? Or because of alternate side parking, or going 8 MPH above the speed limit?

    #846569
    estrapade
    Member

    I have a friend that’s a frum NYPD cop. They fully accommodated all of his religious needs, including his facial hair. They accepted his college credits from a heimishe mossad, so I’m sure they’ll accept BMG credits. Note, however, that they may not accept all of the BMG “classes,” So make sure you’ve got a bit over the sixty credits necessary when applying.

    Hatzlacha rabbah!

    #846570
    ronrsr
    Member

    The ideal police force is one that has representatives of every group in the city. Then it is more like a citizens’ police force than a military enforcement unit.

    #846571

    i have a friend who’s brother in law is a cop he’s from shomer shabbos

    #846572
    Avi K
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    Gregaaron, regarding the hydrant, if c”v there is a fire there is clear danger to life from the parked car. Alternate side regulations are for the purpose of facillitating streetcleaning so violators might be considered to be damaging the public. Regarding the rest, they are in the category of rodef. Moreover, from the Gemara (Baba Metzia 83b-84a) we see that while it is inappropriate for a talmid chacham an ordinary Jew may become a police detective and certainly one who apprehends criminals in the act or who have already been discovered (see Bet Yosef, citing the Responsum of the Rashba, Hoshen Mishpat 388).

    #846573
    writersoul
    Member

    gregaaron: what about dina dmalchusa dina?

    Oh boy, I could say that one on a lot of posts on here…

    #846574
    longarekel
    Member

    I once heard that speeding might be assur since it violates dina d’malchusa (besides the sakana aspect of course).

    #846575
    RABBAIM
    Participant

    Mr. Arnold Wechsler is a Talmid Chacham who is assistant to the NYC police commissioner. he lives in SI and davens in my shule, when he speaks it is amazing…… Call HQ at police plaza

    #846576
    Sam2
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    Longarekel: Might be? Why wouldn’t it be?

    #846577
    gingy
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    estrapad: the Kotzker Rebbe once said: A Goy has facial hair, a Yid has a beard.

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