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why do i see 1939 all over again?
explain the parallels.
I don’t think it’s 1939. I would say more like 1967.
cause Hashem is putting out the prophecy that he told zechariya hanavi over 2000 years ago. before mashiach comes the entire world is going to be against eretz yisroel including the USA. this is happening now & we just need the USA relationship to break up with Israel ASAP soon (as quoted in Zecharia Hanavi. open it up & see for yourself the list of many things that will occur before mashiach comes.)
I can totally imagine police being afraid to tackle black criminals. These riots are totally ridiculous!
Rotten Baltimore.
MW -“I would say more like 1967.”
I remember ’67 -“Burn Baby Burn”!
147, how can you say “rotten Baltimore?” The residents thereof refer to it as “Baltimore Ir Hakodesh,” R”L.
No real similarities. This wasn’t even a case of police brutality. It was a case of serious incompetence getting an accused (of very minor offenses) person killed. It’s not like they shot him or beat him. The neglected to make him wear a seatbelt (which, BTW, is illegal in Maryland). Then when the person was obviously injured they failed to get medical attention. In the future, police will make sure that prisoners be transported in the modern day “Paddy wagon” wear seatbelts – and if the person can’t breath he is rushed to the hospital.
Damage from the riot was minimal and limited to the central business district. The major disruption involved Orioles fans being told to not to leave the game early (good move, the O’s won in extra innings – dramatically since they had blown a sure win earlier in the night).
One likely answer to the opening poster’s question is “paranoia.” Another answer is ignorance of the facts and circumstances of the events in Baltimore.
Everyone please vacate Baltimore immediately, even now tonite, before it is too late, and before mayhem & tragedy strike R’L and take over even the Jewish neighborhoods.
Especially serious, as there is no death penalty in Maryland, so absolutely nothing to deter hooligans.
why don’t they arrest them 1 at a time upon seeing them do damage?
police are too scared or not so many police or are they afraid of the rioters boss al Sharpton?
Damage from the riot was minimal and limited to the central business district.
You wrote this too early. From what I’ve read the rioting has spread within a mile or so from some of the frum areas.
Where is Sharpton?
Any Jew who hasn’t already evacuated Baltimore is being Mevatel a Mitzvah Asseh de’Oraisso of “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshosechem” each & every second that s/he is remaining in Baltimore.
147-105 -“Any Jew who hasn’t already evacuated Baltimore is being Mevatel a Mitzvah Asseh de’Oraisso of “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshosechem” each & every second that s/he is remaining in Baltimore.”
I’d agree with you – if you found me a place that’s Safe!
Not NY, or anywhere in the USA. Not Israel. Not Canada. Not Europe. Not S. Africa. And Not even Austrailia!
In 2014, while New York City was ranked #2 in safest USA cities with populations over 500,000; Baltimore was ranked second most dangerous city (Detroit was most dangerous -#1).
Any Jew who hasn’t already evacuated Baltimore is being Mevatel a Mitzvah Asseh de’Oraisso of “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshosechem” each & every second that s/he is remaining in Baltimore.
I dare you to name one Rav from Baltimore who would agree with this shtuss.
The frum community in Baltimore is pleasantly ghettoized, and separated from the rest of the city by a very wide avenue (Northern Parkway), several very large institutions (Sinai Hospital and Pimlico Racecourse) which are non-residential (okay, a lot of horses live in Pimlico, but there have been no report of criminality among them), and the Jones Falls (a small river and expressway).
The only serious impact of the current riot on the frum community is a city wide curfew, which I doubt will be strictly enforced in our area, though it is forcing stores to close (to let employees go home early) and interferes with late minyanim. When one looks at a crime map with little dots for reports of crimes- our neighborhood sticks out as the area with few dots.
The anti-crime community groups are usually so desperate for news that they report toys being stolen off of people’s lawns as major crimes. The fact that one can walk through the community and see toys left on the lawn speaks for itself.
But if you are really paranoid, take reassurance in the fact that one of the largest National Guard armories is in the neighborhood, along with the State Police headquarters.
Frankly I’ld worry about New York City more. You have a lot of anti-semitic leaders with real clout such as Al Sharpton. Until recently you had a mayor who made cracking down on Bris Milah as his leading health care priority. To a large extent, secular Jews control much of New York politics, and we are always “in their sights”. Several areas with large frum populations in New York have serious crime problems – which are likely to increase given your current mayor. Leaving New York City might be a good idea – and you’ll really like it in Baltimore where its quiet and safe.
Al Sharpton- NY? Hardly, he goes wherever he can stir up the community; mostly outside of NY.
Mayor who made cracking down on Bris Milah a priority? You mean Metzitze B’peh? I think the Rav and Posek from Baltimore is the leading global advocate of tubular suction rather than oral Metzitze B’peh. So don’t pin it on Bloomberg.
Secular Jews control much of New York politics? You mean like Dov Hikind, Simcha Felder, David Greenfield, Philip Goldfeder, Sheldon Silver…to name a few (not to mention Orthodox judges). How many elected Orthodox politicians in Baltimore?
Serious crime in large frum New York City populations? Like Borough Park, or Midwood, or Marine Park, or Mill Basin, or Ocean Parkway, or Forest Hills, or Kew Garden Hills, or Staten Island, or Upper Westside, or Upper Eastside, or Riverdale, etc., etc.
What about the Jewish areas of upper Park Heights? Everyday it reads like the police blotter. And don’t miss your nightly patrol duty or you will hear about it from everyone. There must be some reason that Baltimore is #2 in crime in the nation.
And there is so much Sinas Chinom and Loshon Hora which revolves around the fact that there are no school buses for yeshiva children in Baltimore and the entire frum population must arrange their day around carpooling, morning and evening. Paleeze, this is normal living?
I think I’ll stay in New York.
Your Baltimore mayor told her police to stand back and do nothing to stop the looting and arson
I think I’ll stay in New York. cherrybim:- What a smart decision on your part. I couldn’t agree more wholeheartedly with you, about how awful & unbecoming is Baltimore; There being no school buses:- I can tell you how often kids are missing school with car ride arrangements falling through at last moment.
health: that’s a great post.
cherrybim: to choose a place to live just because of school buses? There are many reasons for people to choose one place over another but this is a 1st.
Is anyone aware that Whole Foods Market supplied sandwiches for the troopers?
Sorry to interrupt but on an unrelated note, the person who started this thread is Ivdu Es Hashem Bisimcha, while I am IvduEsHashemBsimcha, and a helpful mod has added a subtitle for me: BauLfanavBirnana (I like it!). So don’t confuse us.
Now they say that Freddie Gray tried to injure himself in the police vehicle throwing himself against the wall several times if that is proven true that will assuage the criminals err protesters I’m sure just like all the people in Ferguson now acknowledge that hands up don’t shoot was a lie and so they have now all volunteered to rebuild all the business they destroyed and return all their ill gotten goods what you didn’t hear about that????
Oh yeah if a baseball game is played in an empty stadium do the vendors still get paid? doubtful.
cherrybim and 147, I also wholeheartedly supporty our decision to stay away from Baltimore. NY is a much better place for snobs.
The Goq,
if that is proven true that will assuage the criminals err protesters
Unfortunately, the level of trust in the police is so low, it will probably inflame the situation even more with the police being accused of a cover up.
cherrybim and lesschumras,
Debate about crime, local politics, and inconvenience with respect to Baltimore vs. Brooklyn all you want, but to speak loshon hara against the frum community itself is crossing a line.
147 and cherrybim and all the others who are intent on bashing baltimore. I never go into the coffee room because it’s always full of lashon hara but when I saw the topic it caught my eye and you didn’t let me down. What you said about Baltimore is pure lashon hara and motzei shem ra and you need to beg mechila from the entire community or you’ll have to deal with it with the bais din shel maala. You obviously had a bad experience in Baltimore and that’s unfortunate but there’s no perfect town. If you hate carpools don’t move here or use something you never seemed to have heard of called THE BUS which all non carpoolers take and quit kvetching. I grew up in the heart of Brooklyn and though there are things I miss about it and made my chassan swear we’d only live here for 1 year max, 12 years later I’m not going back. The pashtus here overrides everything and if you actually looked at it with an ayin tova instead of bashing it you’d be amazed at how people manage to live here AND are actually happy, really as close to eretz yisroel as you’ll get in America. There’s NO pressure to live like your neighbor and people are mostly careful to not take away from their olam haba to live it up in olam hazeh as R’ Aharon Leib Shteinman has said is what happens when we live with more than we need. We have time to focus on mitzvos instead of extravagance. If you want to hate an entire city because of your bad experience go ahead, but be careful with your lashon hara because it WILL come back to haunt you. And why all the panic? Leave Baltimore?? The only way the frum community was affected by the riots was the curfew and school closings and the city is working with us to leave the mikvah open past curfew. The vaad harabonim including R’ Heineman and R” Hopfer have all said to try and obey the curfew as its making a kiddush Hashem but otherwise there’s no panic here. So why in the world are YOU in such a panic?? You’re either hyper paranoid or just a hateful person. Get rid of your hate and you’ll be a happier person, guarenteed.
It amazes me that so many of you think you are safer in your communities than Baltimore. It’s all the same and any city can explode at athe drop of a hat, especially in cities and States controlled by the Democrats. They wouldn’t have the backbone to respond appropriately.
Also, New Yorkers, you forget Crown Heights? People there were hiding under their beds.
Interesting; I came to the defense of Brooklyn in response and after we were attacked by akuperma as per his post shown below:
” Frankly I’ld worry about New York City more. You have a lot of anti-semitic leaders with real clout such as Al Sharpton. Until recently you had a mayor who made cracking down on Bris Milah as his leading health care priority. To a large extent, secular Jews control much of New York politics, and we are always “in their sights”. Several areas with large frum populations in New York have serious crime problems – which are likely to increase given your current mayor. Leaving New York City might be a good idea”
But the people of Balimore accepted akuperma’s loshon hara. They could not tolerate, however, that I showed “kol haposel b’mumar posel” rings true.
cherrybim,
Interesting; I came to the defense of Brooklyn in response and after we were attacked by akuperma as per his post shown below:
I will try to make myself more clear. If you want to say that Baltimore is an undesirable location because of crime, lack of frum political representation, lack of busing for Yeshiva students or whatever, I have no problem with that. We can agree or disagree, debate it, and at the end of the day, we’d both be right about some things and wrong about some things. Those topics (crime, politics) are all that akuperma wrote about New York. You, however, went much further than that and said that there is sinas chinam and lashon hora in Baltimore, which is a strike at the frum Jews who live there, not just the place itself. That’s what I am objecting to.
cherrybim: Carpool stories would be an interesting thread by itself, only many of the stories wouldn’t be flattering.
cherrybim,
Show me one post from this thread where somebody bashed New York’s frum community.
It’s true that every community has its unique problems. New York deserves to be bashed because its unique problem is a widespread lack of middos, which really should overshadow any other problems. I know from experience that it’s an everyday occurance in NY to see people wearing yarmulkes or tichels as they make a beautiful kiddush Hashem by yelling at a waiter because the food wasn’t exactly right or honking at someone for waiting a half-second too long to go at a green light. I’m not saying that everyone there does that, but I have seen that it is commonly accepted behavior. Now, apparently, bashing an out-of-town community as it is going through a difficult week is also acceptable behavior for some New Yorkers. I’d much prefer the crime and the carpools, and even riots, rather than to raise children in a place where that kind of behavior is accepted.
Another city run by democrats going down the tubes
If you are not going repudiate lies and attacks, then I won’t waste my time.
1. The Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area is one city. People commute both ways. In many ways, Baltimore is the “Brooklyn” of the Metroplitan Area (somewhat depresses, less expensive, more ethnic, more working class).
2. The riot was no where’s near the frum community. The major impact was a curfew forcing stores to close early, and minor disruptions for commuters using the trains (those driving to DC were unaffected). There was no sign of anti-semitic mobs, and the police kept rioters out of non-black residential areas. New Yorks complaining about Baltimore don’t know what they are talking about it.
3. Most cities run by Democrats are going down the tubes, which is to say most cities. The state governments may be more of a factor since they enact anti-business legislation (which cuts off the opportunities for urban blacks to become middle class through the private sector). One should note that over the last generation there has been a steady migration of urban blacks back to the “red” southern states where there are greater economic opportunities for those looking for more than welfare or a government job. The frum community really should reconsider being concentrated in the blue states.
“Any Jew who hasn’t already evacuated Baltimore is being Mevatel a Mitzvah Asseh de’Oraisso of “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshosechem” each & every second that s/he is remaining in Baltimore”
147—-total shtus and Loshon Hara! You obviously dont know anything about Baltimore. When outsiders look at Israel and see things going on they are frightened to go but in reality it is fine–Baltimore is B”h relativly safe. Bottom line is, we are in Golus.
I also challenge you to find a more cohesive community than Baltimore frum community, the achdus here B”h is incredible,not to mention chesed and everything else you need,plus much BETTER quality of life than alot of other places..As far as the carpool issue you mentioned, I will take that over ny traffic anyday.
..Just to second something in “workingmom”‘s amazing post – Baltimore’s gashmiyus level is WAY WAY below the typical frum place, and not because people dont have. There are many wealthy people in Bal,t but they choose not to flaunt it.
147 you sound like you have a personal vendetta against Baltimore. Perhaps you had a bad experience with something associated with the city but that does not give you the right to spread nonsense about the city.
How many of each of the following does Brooklyn have and how many does Baltimore have?
Gedolim, frum yidden, Yeshivas, Butei Medrashim, Chesed organizations, Hatzala/Chaveirim/Shomrim,
Bikur Cholims, etc.?
P.S. Avram: Is comparing the positives of each okay?
justsmile613:- Even I know that Israel is just about the safest place on earth, and in Israel I have no problem letting my very young children go out alone and on public transportation, and even very late at nite. …. No way in Baltimore.
Rav Chaim Kanievsky shlita & Rav Shteinamn shlita have on numerous occasions told people to stay in Israel, and it’s their safest option to stay put in Israel.
Is it my imagination, or is it true that just about every Rav and Posek and Jewish leader in Balimore was brought up in communities outside of Balimore. Hmmm…
b’h the frum people in baltimore are safe there and just following the rules to stay safe and Hashem is protecting them.
@147 You do know that the main Jewish community is half in Baltimore and half in Baltimore county. Most of the events that are happening in Baltimore are happening in the inner city. That is just like saying (20 years ago) that since Harlem is such a terrible neighborhood it is unsafe to live in Kew Garden Hills. Where the Jewish community is in Baltimore is safe to live in.
@cherrybim ok but if this is true that means they are moving to Baltimore and something tells me that Jewish people would not move to an unsafe area. Also I think you need to view how many of them went to the Baltimore Yeshivas and stayed.
baltimore is a very nice place with a very nice frum community b’h and there should be no lashon hara being spoken about the people living there.
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