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November 18, 2023 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #2240640SQUARE_ROOTParticipant
Soon after the massacre on October 7, 2023, I stopped listening to all music.
My intention (Bli Neder) is to not listen to any kind of music,
until all the hostages are free, and returned to their homes.I hope they are freed very soon, even today.
I don’t know how long I can maintain this resolution.Nobody told me to do this.
But enjoying myself by listening to music just does not feel right,
when so many hostages and their families are suffering.
And also the suffering of the injured and widows and orphans.You can do whatever you want, but I feel that I must do this.
November 18, 2023 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #2240665Sam KleinParticipantYour showing Hashem that your taking part of the important middah of being nosei b’ol your brethren suffering in klal yisroel and this is a very high level of care and showing Hashem our loving father and king of Kings.
May it be a zchus for you and also for all of klal yisroel to show Hashem that we should be deserving of the coming of Mashiach already bkarov and openly confess with love to Hashem our doing of serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP like one loving nation
November 19, 2023 9:16 am at 9:16 am #2240752anIsraeliYidParticipantIt is quite the commitment, and as an Israeli, I am touched by your gesture. This is not for everyone, but as Sam Klein said, you are being Noseh b’Ol Chaveiro in a way that is meaningful.
I note that here in Israel, some people specifically do listen to music now as a way to keep themselves from drowning in the situation – and that is proper too. It is akin to the Abarbenel hiring musicians to play for the Jews leaving Spain on Tisha b’Av in 1492 – he felt that the need to strengthen the spirits of those being expelled was enough of a reason to override the general Issue of music on Tisha b’Av.
an Israeli Yid.
November 19, 2023 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #2240794DaMosheParticipantYasher koach! Being nosei b’ol is a huge deal. I posted about it a few weeks ago (https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/nosei-bol-chaveiro), as R’ Bender had spoken about it.
I gave up eating dessert after meals. Small things make all the difference!November 19, 2023 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #2240819AviraDeArahParticipantI would humbly suggest taking on kabalos which are required, as we all have nisyonos in one mitzvah or another. Whether it’s shmiras aynayim, shmiras halashon, bitul Torah, or whatever else; I think mitzvos which are obligatory should come before deprival of pleasure.
Also, if you learn/daven better after having desert or if you listen to music, I’m pretty sure it’s more important to learn and daven better than to give up those pleasures.
I don’t mean to criticize what is clearly a very meaningful, inspired feeling that people have now, to do better, to be nosei b’ohl. Just some “food” for thought
November 19, 2023 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #2240847commonsaychelParticipantIn Yerusalem no music is played at weddings for the past 150 years, yet life goes on.
PS on a side note, I don’t know if the music being performed these days qualifies as Yiddisher music.November 19, 2023 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #2240845ujmParticipantIsn’t there an issur against listening to music before the Beis Hamikdash is rebuilt?
November 19, 2023 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #2240857sechel83Participantthere is a issur to listen to music, there is a machlokes when its asur or mutar. see sh”u 560. rama, bach. so many hold that its assur to listen to music, so great idea – chumra, hidur – to take on.
November 20, 2023 11:21 am at 11:21 am #2240976Sarah SParticipantI have also taken this on, not as a takanah, but because of the feeling of availus that I have. Last night’s ZAKA concert was pretty much the first time I’ve listened since the start of this horror.
November 20, 2023 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #2241100RBZSParticipantKol hakavod to all of you for your very noble feelings and acts of nosei be’ol.
Another suggestion is to say at least once a day “asher yatzar” with kavanah – preferably while reading it, rather than by heart – and to have in mind that Hashem Who heals all mankind should heal all who have been injured by terrorism and the war.
And, of course, we should think – and even say – the same in the berachah of refaeinu in Shemoneh Esrei.November 20, 2023 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #2241163Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantSome people in Israel reported being busy making green tzitzis to match IDF uniform that were reportedly requested by multiple soldiers (who presumably did not wear them previously).
November 20, 2023 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #2241159Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantHow about contacting an Yid dressed differently from oneself and saying something nice to him
November 21, 2023 1:20 am at 1:20 am #2241213Adam NeiraParticipantTo the Owners and/or Moderators of TYW,
Any reason my important comments posted yesterday 20/11 were not published?
Adam Neira
Founder World Peace 2050
Founded April 2000 in Melbourne, AustraliaP.S. Caroline and I have been in Jerusalem since 14/9/2023. We arrived in Eilat on 13/9 after spending 7 days in Jordan and 8 days in Saudi Arabia.
Just wasn’t really sure who you are, where you’re coming from, or what your message was about. Nothing personal.
November 22, 2023 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #2241675SQUARE_ROOTParticipantEarlier today, I caught myself humming a musical tune.
As soon I realized what I was doing, I remembered the horrible suffering of our people in Eretz HaKodesh, so I immediately stopped humming.
Once again, you are all free people, so you can do whatever you want, and you do NOT need to do what I have done.
I do not know how much longer I can hold by this resolution, because in our times, many of us are very weak, and we tend to not be able to hold by our resolutions.
To RBZS: Over the past three years, almost every Asher Yatzar that I recited has been dedicated to people on my own personal cholim list.
To AviraDeArah: Your comment is logical, but I am eliminating music from my life (bli neder) because that is what I feel I am capable of doing, at this time.
December 6, 2023 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #2244978SQUARE_ROOTParticipantI am still not listening to any kind of music,
because of the great suffering in Eretz HaKodesh.My question is: What to do about Chanukah?
After thinking about it, I decided that during Chanukah,
I will still not actively pursue listening to music (bli neder),
but if I am in a place where music is playing,
I will allow myself to passively enjoy it.December 7, 2023 2:03 am at 2:03 am #2245010Sam KleinParticipantSquare root
Your absolutely going in the right direction with the right intentions in mind. Does a mourner not listen or sing music during the Shabbos meal or during a holiday whichever holiday it might be? As the wisest person King Solomon said thousands of years ago “there’s a time and a place for everything” but he doesn’t stop there what does he do? He lists over 25 examples of situations for a person to be in and ends “for a time of Calamity comes to them all”. Do you know which Pasuk this is in Koheles? It is the Passuk of 9-11 (the 9th Chapter & 11th sentence), relating to Tisha B’av. The day set aside by Hashem to be a day of mourning. Is this coincidence? Is this not shocking? Look at the list of so many calamities & tragedies that has occurred in the past relating to 9-11. (from the ones which I have already mentioned to some which I may mention soon) How many thousands of years ago was the book of Koheles written? Who made it come out to be this Passuk of 9-11? was it Shlomo Hamelech or was it Hashem? This is another message directly from Hashem for us to stop our way of life we are living in today’s generation….-Which we think is perfect & Sinless-immediately & start doing Teshuva.
May we all accept Hashems wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP so Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov before Chanukah starts so Klal yisroel can spend Chanukah in Yerushalayim with the rebuilding of the Bais hamikdosh bkarov
December 7, 2023 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #2245304yitz711ParticipantSam Klein, nice thought but Tisha B’Av isn’t 9/11. As Nissan is the “head of months”, Av is the fifth month. (See Zecharia 8:19.)
December 10, 2023 12:11 am at 12:11 am #2245522Sam KleinParticipantYitz721
If Nissan is the start of the new year then why do we change the year number in Tishrei and also daven for a good year ahead in Tishrei? Shouldn’t it be in Nissan according to what you wrote?
We can’t run away from Hashems direct messages and if the entire world really changed the new year in Nissan and not Tishrei then Hashem would have made all the messages relating to Tisha bav would all come out to be 9/5 instead of 9/11 so stop fooling yourself and think we can run away from Hashems wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus cause that’s why we’re still sadly in exile today cause we continue to live I denial instead of waking up to FACE REALITY IMMEDIATELY ace start doing serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP so Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov
December 10, 2023 12:23 am at 12:23 am #2245547☕️coffee addictParticipantI take it Sam hasn’t learned Gemara rosh hashana
January 20, 2024 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #2255121SQUARE_ROOTParticipantI recently passed my 100th consecutive day without listening to any kind of music.
I did this because my inner voice will not allow me to enjoy music, while our people in our land are suffering — not just in one way, but they are suffering in many ways.
I do not know when I will listen to music again,
or even ** IF ** I will ever listen to music again.Even if the war ended tomorrow, and even if all the terrorists surrendered unconditionally, there are still more than 1,200 of our people killed in the initial attack, and around 200 of our soldiers killed in war, and many hundreds with injuries that will never heal, and many hundreds of new widows and new orphans, and people who fled from their homes, and ruined businesses, and ruined farms, and lots of other problems.
Therefore, even if the war ended tomorrow,
I might not be able to listen to any kind of music,
for many years to come. I just do not know.January 27, 2024 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #2256594CSParticipantRespect.
February 7, 2024 7:17 am at 7:17 am #2259386SayIDidIt™ParticipantAt the Shloshim Azkara for Harav Matisyahu Salomon ZT”L, R’ Avraham Schorr said that he knows of a family that lives outside of Lakewood who the girls have not taken a hot shower since Shemini Atzeres (only lukewarm showers).
Source: TorahAnytime Class ID: 278950 Timecode: 21:10
SiDi™
February 7, 2024 9:54 am at 9:54 am #2259510DaMosheParticipantAt the Darchei Torah dinner a few weeks ago, R’ Bender said that there’s a boy in Darchei who is doing the same thing – only lukewarm showers. There are others who have taken on other things. I believe there’s a boy who is sleeping without pillows.
I’ve had dessert a couple of times, for a specific reason. We had Shabbos guests who brought dessert, and purposely brought something they know I enjoy. I didn’t want them to feel bad, so I had a small piece. I spoke to a Rav after, and he agreed that it was the right thing to do.February 7, 2024 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #2259710sechel83Participantto point out todays Hayom Yom:
One of the Baal Shem Tov’s teachings:
“When you see chamor, a donkey”1 – when you carefully examine your chomer (“materiality”), your body, you will see…
…”your enemy” – meaning, that your chomer hates your Divine soul that longs for G‑dliness and the spiritual, and furthermore, you will see that it is…
…”lying under its burden” placed upon it – (the body) by G‑d, namely, that it should become refined through Torah and mitzvot; but the body is lazy to fulfill them. It may then occur to you that…
…”you will refrain from helping it” – to enable it to fulfill its mission, and instead you will follow the path of mortification2 of the flesh to break down the body’s crass materiality. However, not in this approach will the light of Torah reside. Rather…
…”you must aid it” – purify the body, refine it, but do not break it by mortification.the Taz writes (Even HaEzer 25:1) that one who eats well and sleeps adequately to have energy to serve Hashem earns the same merit as one who fasts. He thus explains the passuk (Tehilim 127:2) “It is futile for you who arise early, who sit late, who eat the bread of toil, so will the Lord give to one who banishes sleep from himself” – both learners who deprive themselves of sleep in order to learn and those who sleep adequately before learning earn the same merit, because what one can do in an hour after sleeping well, a sleep-deprived learner does in two. “It is futile for you who arise early” – the efforts you make to wake up early in the morning and sit up late in the Beis Midrash at night, are for naught, because: “…So will the Lord give to one who banishes sleep from himself.” The portion of Torah of one who sleeps properly and one who deprives himself of sleep will be equal. : “Everything depends on the intention“
February 8, 2024 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #2259868SQUARE_ROOTParticipantNachi Gordon Urges Community Not to Flaunt Lavish Vacations on Social Media
February 7, 2024 by Baruch Green(VINnews) — Kudos to renowned podcaster and media figure Nachi Gordon, who has called out members of the frum community who boast about their lavish vacations on WhatsApp, Facebook, and Instagram, while so many people are suffering in Eretz Yisrael.
In a Twitter post Tuesday, the founder and CEO of Meaningful Minute and the co-host of Meaningful People, pointed out the insensitivity of American Jews posting about vacations while our fellow Jews are at war.
He expressed criticism of “flaunting five star vacations when chayalim are sleeping on the floor in Gaza” and people are “fighting with blood, sweat and tears in Gaza”.
Nachi made it clear that there is nothing wrong with taking a vacation, suggesting that the real issue is flaunting it and lacking proper sensitivity to the plight of so many Jewish brethren.
February 8, 2024 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #2259902commonsaychelParticipant@SR, who is Nachi? never heard of him, does he daven in YIM
March 10, 2024 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #2267845SQUARE_ROOTParticipantMy Thoughts After 150 Days without Music
=============================Since my early childhood, music has always been part of my life.
Since my early childhood, I listened to music almost every day of my life.
I used to spend lots of time listening to music, both by day and by night.Then on October 7, 2023, Hamas committed genocidal terrorist attacks on Jews.
This has been called “the worst loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust”.Since then, for more than 150 days, I have not spent even one minute
listening to any kind of music, because I cannot justify enjoying myself with music,
while our brothers and sisters in our homeland experience horrific suffering.Nobody told me to do this; only my own mind makes me do it.
I never did anything like this before; it is a new experience for me.Sometimes memories of the music that I used to listen to enter my mind,
but I push those memories away, because for me, memories of the music
that I used to listen to are almost like listening to music,
because my musical memories are very accurate.Without listening to music, or even listening to my musical memories,
I believe that mind and thoughts have become clearer.Several weeks ago, I saw an advertisement for a new kind of pillow,
which claimed to offer superior comfort while sleeping.
I wanted to buy that pillow, to help me sleep better.But then I remembered that our brothers and sisters in our homeland
are experiencing horrific suffering. So I decided to not buy the pillow,
because I cannot increase my comfort while so many Jews suffer so much.When the Melech HaMashiach comes, and all of our suffering has ended,
then I can get that new pillow.March 11, 2024 8:57 am at 8:57 am #2268007commonsaychelParticipantYou never answered my question who is Nachi and why should we listen to him?
March 11, 2024 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #2268121☕️coffee addictParticipantCommonsaychel,
My assumption is that it’s nachi Gordon (of meaningful minute podcast)
March 11, 2024 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #2268129commonsaychelParticipant@Coffee, who is Mr. Gordon and what is area of expertise?
March 11, 2024 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #2268156☕️coffee addictParticipantI told you who he is
What does it matter what his expertise is?
March 11, 2024 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #2268190commonsaychelParticipant“What does it matter what his expertise is?”
If you expect people to be impressed because someone says something then that person has expertise in the subject matter not some ramblings of a blogger.
The rant of a blogger carries the same authority of some drunk on the subway.March 11, 2024 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #2268212☕️coffee addictParticipant“The rant of a blogger carries the same authority of some drunk on the subway.“
And if people decide to follow the ramblings of “some blogger” (or for that matter some drunkard on the subway) you have a problem with that?
Why does it bother you? No one said you have to follow what he says
March 11, 2024 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #2268225commonsaychelParticipantNo one said you have to follow what he says
Actually Sqaure Root did, your free to follow any blogger or drunk but holding them up as an expert of some sort that’s a whole separate matter.
March 11, 2024 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #2268228SQUARE_ROOTParticipantDear Mr. Common Saychel,
PLEASE STOP telling lies about me!
I *** NEVER *** said that anyone must do what I am doing!!
As I have pointed-out many times in the past,
laitzanus [mockery] is a violation of Torah Law,
just like Lashon HaRa or Nivul Peh or eating traif.Yet for some reason beyond my understanding,
you always post laitzanus messages to this Coffee Room.And you always get-away with it, too!!
Why the moderators do not stop you, I cannot understand.Sincerely,
SQUARE_ROOTMarch 12, 2024 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #2268375commonsaychelParticipantDear Square Root,
I never said any lies about you or for that matter anything about you.
My issue is that you post rambling post from unknown people as if its torahs moshe, I have no issue if the person is a known expert in that particular field [ such as Rabbi Dr Twerski and addiction] but when you post a stupid comment from someone unknown I will not take it seriously, nothing against you.
Sincerely
Commonsaychel
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