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  • #1857508
    Joseph
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    Let no one forget that the states hit the worst by the Wuhan Coronavirus are all blue states. Gross neglect and mismanagement of those states in their early response to the COVID-19 pandemic led to their states taking the biggest hits.

    One example out of numerous demonstrating the murderous effects of these Democrats was the childish fighting between New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio over “who is the boss” (those two foolish politicians been acting like adolescents for the last five years over each trying to one-up the other.) That caused a delay in both the closing of the schools and delayed the stay at home orders, causing the spread of the virus. The Mayor delayed closing the schools because he said some parents couldn’t afford to give their children lunch every day. And the Governor delayed giving stay at home orders because the Mayor called for “sheltering at home” first so the Cuomo announced he will not tell citizens to stay at home. He showed the Mayor who is really boss.

    Until circumstances forced their hands.

    Afterwards they reaped what they sowed when their State’s death rate went soaring to almost Italy-like and Spain-like levels, unlike all the red states managed responsibly by Republican administrations.

    #1857546
    akuperma
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    1. Blue states tend to be based on large urban areas. In New York, for a example, the virus was not a serious issue in counties located too far away that a daily commute to New York is unrealistic. This suggests that a suburban or rural lifestyle with heavy reliance on private cars is healthy, and an urban lifestyle is not.

    2. It isn’t clear how “deadly” the virus is until they compare total death rates. Roughly three million Americans would have died in 2020 given the normal death rate, and so far the virus seems to have only been a drop in the bucket. Historic plagues cause massive increases in the death rate,

    3, Literature and mass media are big on “apocalyptic” themes, which may explain the massive overreaction, Note the frum organizations and media also overreacted.

    #1857570
    jdf007
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    We all think the grass is greener on the other side. Of course it is sometimes, and sometimes it never is. As someone who has gone around the red states for quite some time, although this is confirmed by the news, they did nothing. Not a single one followed Trumps 14 days to slow the spread guideline. None are opening per White House Guidelines either. Some were even shocked that other agencies had the power to close restaurant dining rooms when they refused to give the order. Some are now passing laws to strip and move their authority so that their states will not “close” again, and to grant immunity to your employer for forcing you to work in unsafe conditions.
    Here is what we heard. It’s just China, no one knows what goes on over there! Iran is despotic, that’s not a fair warning about the disease. Italy isn’t so bad, don’t listen to that. We’re not Europe. We’re not New York. We’re not California. We’re not….we’re not….we’re not. And deny ourselves right into the epicenter.
    Some of the red states have a higher virus rate than whole countries have. Whole countries will re-open virus free and have an economy. No one is going to the reopened malls in the red states. The workers don’t even know why they’re sitting there waiting.
    How are we going to compete with healthy countries? This is Hope and Change personified!
    Secondly, they disinfect cities and hose down all the trains overseas, from Mexico to Moscow. Why is New York just starting sanitation in May?

    #1857606
    charliehall
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    This isn’t going to age well.

    #1857691
    zahavasdad
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    Wont of the worst hit states is Lousiana and thats a red state

    #1857709
    Joseph
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    ZD: Louisiana is unfortunately served by a Democrat governor.

    #1857721
    Health
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    ZD -“Wont of the worst hit states is Lousiana and thats a red state”

    Actually it’s half & half.
    From news in La.:
    “Orleans and Jefferson parishes — where the coronavirus outbreak first took hold in the state — more than 800 of the state’s COVID-19 deaths have been recorded in the two areas.”

    Now what do you think the political makeup of those 2 areas are?
    Why Do Blue areas have more Virus than the rest of the Country?
    Oh I know, they didn’t listen to the Administration recomemdations because it’s Repubican!

    #1857781
    Doing my best
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    I think it’s because blue states are usually have more crowded urban areas. In general, crowded areas tend to get hit worse, like Bnei Brak and the lower income areas in New York.
    And just by the way, the states lifting restrictions now contrary to what the whitehouse recommended doing, are red states.

    #1857817
    dasFlamingo
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    Coronavirus aside, general life expectancy is almost always higher in blue states than in red states.

    #1857859
    Health
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    dasFlamingo -“Coronavirus aside, general life expectancy is almost always higher in blue states than in red states.”

    That’s because those states have less Medical Care.
    The Major Cities get the most Medical Care in this Country.
    That’s because they have More Violence – so they get the Trauma Centers!

    #1857861
    Amil Zola
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    I admire the effort that many put in to make this a political discussion rather than an issue of public health policies. The reality is, the virus is just starting to invade many rural areas across the US. We have no idea how deadly this virus will be in those areas. (Many of these areas are not served by the medical services that are available in urban areas.) Inner cities and poverty seem to be impacting the spread of the virus. Minorities are heavily impacted, just look at the decimation in Frum communities. The virus doesn’t care whether a state is red or blue .

    As Tip O’Neil once said, ‘all politics is local’. It’s up to the voters to challenge their state politicians to develop effective responses to health epidemics. Pick up the phone and call your electeds. When you vote again, decide for yourself who will best serve your interests. Don’t whine organize. In the meantime read a variety of analysis of the disease spread, understand that mathematical models are only as good as the data that is input. Look at the maps available from Johns Hopkins and see where the disease clusters are. Certainly densely populated states may have the highest number of cases and/deaths. That’s just basic probability. What you can do now is enter into conversations with your school administrators on how they can improve access to remote learning, work with them to solve the basic problem of 10 kids two telephones when it comes to classes being delivered by phone. Engage state agencies and your community to figure out how the needs of non neurotypical children and adults can be filled during times like this.
    Yea it’s hard being confined to quarters if you have a large family living in a small space and for some it’s even harder not having outside help come into the home. I’m high risk (lupus) and haven’t been out of the house since Feb 27. I’m lucky because I realize the internet can be an enormous help in times like this. I’ve figured out alternative exercise regimes without a gym. I talk to friends about the country either online, via facetime or using the phone. I know staying connected and remaining positive are gifts I give myself for my own personal wellbeing.

    In the meantime, be kind, be happy, call on outside resources if your family, children and neighbors are having difficulty coping. This too shall pass.

    #1858013
    Joseph
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    If you take the Blue States out of the count of the Wuhan coronavirus infections and deaths in the United States, the U.S. would have one of the best rates compared to the rest of the world.

    #1858585
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Joseph,
    The state of Montana has been spared. (So far.) That is about it. Other than that, you seem to be mentioning that the majority of Americans vote democrat. The tea party wrecked the republicans. Are you insinuating that the virus is politically biased?

    #1858629
    Joseph
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    No, dear N0Mesorah, I am giving the Democrats a taste of their own medicine. I’m playing ball the way they do. I’m making light of their rhetoric.

    If they think they can lie by blaming the President, lets point out the shutdown orders originated from the state governors. And the governors and state/local governments delay in shutting down until late in March, is the real blame for the early spread of the coronavirus.

    #1858691
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Joseph,
    I have been bombarded by Democrats crying for you to stop, they can not handle it. The remaining three Democrats who do not lie find your statement pointless.

    #1858864
    Joseph
    Participant

    The Cuomo-de Blasio fight that delayed New York State’s stay-at-home orders (the Mayor wanted it earlier but the Governor refused) as well as de Blasio’s delay in closing New York City’s public schools, ostensibly since the poor wouldn’t be able to work or feed their children if there was no school, were the single most destructive acts causing countless additional infections and deaths by coronavirus in New York as well as around the country, as it is now known most of the spread of US coronavirus infections nationally originated in New York.

    #1859060
    Joseph
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    Among the most deadly of Andrew Cuomo’s murderous policies has been the New York state directive that requires nursing homes take on new patients infected with COVID-19 — which caused further spread of infection contributing to the deaths of over 5,300 people in New York’s nursing homes. And the toll has still been increasing by an average of 20 to 25 deaths a day for the past few weeks.

    New York has faced intense criticism for a March 25 state health department directive requiring nursing homes to take recovering coronavirus patients. “A number of nursing homes have felt constrained by the order and admitted hospital discharged patients without knowing what their COVID status was,” said Chris Laxton, executive director of the Society for Post-Acute and Long-Term Care Medicine. “This order made an already difficult situation almost impossible.”

    The order, similar to one in neighboring New Jersey, was intended to help free up hospital beds for the sickest patients as cases surged. But critics noted that nursing homes were already overwhelmed and a better solution would have been sending them to the virtually empty Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, which was retrofitted to treat COVID-19 patients under President Trump’s order, or an even less utilized Navy hospital that President Trump sent to New York.

    As the virus was racing through his nursing home, the head of Brooklyn’s Cobble Hill Health Center frantically emailed state health officials April 9 asking just that. “Is there a way for us to send our suspected covid cases to the Javitz center or the ship?” Donny Tuchman wrote. Tuchman said he was denied permission. Eventually, more than 50 residents at his home would die. Added Democrat state Assemblyman Ron Kim: “We could have figured out how to isolate these folks. We failed to do that.”

    “Throwing in new residents who may or may not have been stable at that point could not possibly have been to the benefit of any facility,” said Dr. Roy Goldberg, medical director of the Kings Harbor Multicare Center, a nursing home in the Bronx that has seen 56 deaths. “The way this has been handled by the state is totally irresponsible, negligent and stupid,” said Elaine Mazzotta, a nurse whose mother died last month of suspected COVID-19 at a Long Island nursing home. “They knew better. They shouldn’t have sent these people into nursing homes.”

    When Cuomo faced criticism at a recent briefing, he said that providing masks and gowns to nursing homes is “not our job” because the homes are privately owned. “It was such an insensitive thing to say,” said state Assemblyman Ron Kim, a Queens Democrat who noted that it wasn’t until just this past week that New York and neighboring states announced a plan to combine forces to buy protective gear and medical supplies for nursing homes. “If we had focused on that early on,” he said, “we could have saved a lot of lives.”

    One key criticism is that New York took weeks after the first known care home outbreaks to begin publicly reporting the number of deaths in individual homes — and still doesn’t report the number of cases. By the time New York began disclosing the deaths in the middle of last month, the state had several major outbreaks with at least 40 deaths each, most of which were a surprise to the surrounding communities and even some family members. “They should have announced to the public: ‘We have a problem in nursing homes. We’re going to help them, but you need to know where it is,’” said former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey, who now heads the nonprofit Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths. “Instead, they took the opposite tack: They hid it.”

    Further, there has been a lack of testing in several recent New York outbreaks, including one that killed 98 residents, many of whom died with COVID-19 symptoms without ever being tested. Unlike West Virginia, New York has not mandated testing in its more than 1,150 nursing homes and long-term care facilities. Nor has Cuomo followed the lead of such states as Maryland, Florida, Tennessee and Wisconsin in dispatching National Guard teams to homes to conduct testing, triage and some care.

    #1859612
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Joseph,
    Are you still making light of rhetoric?

    #1859624
    huju
    Participant

    A recent map showing neighborhoods/zip codes hardest hit in the 5 boros shows Boro Park is hard-hit. The conclusion I jump to is, the virus is anti-semitic.

    And I guess the news about coronavirus in the White House is fake news.

    #1859663
    Joseph
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    huju:

    Does a correct reading of your sarcasm indicate that you believe that the “coincidental” fact that Blue States are by far the hardest hit whereas Red States comparatively have done much better is of no blame or fault towards the Democrat governors of those Blue States; while at the same time as you believe the aforementioned, you also blame President Donald Trump for the extent of the hit the United States overall took?

    Momentarily we’ll put aside the fact that nationally (i.e. all fifty states) the United States has done far better per capita than many many other nations, both compared only to Western nations and compared to non-Western nations. And if you take the Blue States out of our national figures then the United States has done miraculously, by comparison. For now we’ll just focus on the previous paragraph.

    #1859732
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Joseph,
    You seem to have mastered the art of being serious and light at once. I thought only the President can make a direct recommendation while being sarcastic.

    #1859794
    Joseph
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    Take a look at the States with the highest per capita death rates from COVID-19 and you’ll immediately notice that nine out of ten States and DC with the worst rates are all run by Democrat governors.

    The sole exception is the deep red state of Massachusetts. (That’s a bit of sarcasm for N0M.)

    #1859874
    Joseph
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    Even a longtime opinion editor in the ultra-left wing propaganda outlet the New York Times today published much agreeing with what I’ve been saying in this thread:

    “…We’re containing the virus, limiting the damage, preventing worst-case scenarios…”

    “Our strategy is not the utter disaster, the national embarrassment, that some of my fellow scribes insist on seeing in our numbers. Our per capita death rate remains lower than France, Italy, Spain and Britain. Our slow-to-ramp-up testing regime is now testing at a rate comparable to Germany’s. Our death curve hasn’t bent as fast as the hardest-hit countries, but it is bending, and faster than in Canada…”

    “States like Florida and Georgia, maligned by the commentariat, have escaped the predicted catastrophes so far, and the New York experience remains very much an epidemic unto itself. Indeed, you can argue that if Andrew Cuomo and Bill de Blasio had acted just a week earlier, America would look substantially better than its Western European peers…”

    “So the United States in the age of the coronavirus is not, in fact, the “failed state” depicted in George Packer’s much-read Atlantic essay and similar polemics…”

    #1859922
    Joseph
    Participant

    The governors decided on when to issue shelter-at-home orders, close down the state businesses and other instructions to residents, citizens, tourists and businesses in their respective State.

    They each had the largest effect on the trajectory of the coronovirus spread of infection in their State.

    Those that dallied and delayed, for example Andrew Cuomo who was upset that de Blasio called for shelter at home instructions before His Highness The Governor did do and so the governor delayed calling for sheltering at home, caused the virus to spread unabated longer (as the New York Times opinion writer in today’s paper pointed out regarding Cuomo and de Blasio in the article I excerpted in my previous comment above), resulting in a far higher death rate in their State.

    #1860454
    Amil Zola
    Participant

    This thread is too funny and ignores some salient facts. Blue states contribute more than the red states who are dependent on the govt. redistributing money from the blue to red states. Then there is the matter of Covid relief $$, it seems the Red states are at the federal trough gobbling up more funding than the blue.

    #1860827
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    This thread is too much of a mix between rhetoric and sarcasm for the humor/jokes section. If one would right a parody for Democrats, it would be too over the top for the rants section.

    #1860998
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Here is a little ditty!
    We shut down (City, state, landmark, or shop, in the U. S. A.),
    Because, (same) has coronavirus,
    We voted for the President,
    And, POP! goes (same).

    #1862904
    Joseph
    Participant

    If the Democrat thugs running the New York metropolitan area had begun imposing social-distancing measures even one week earlier than they had in March, many thousands of fewer New Yorkers would have died in the pandemic, according to new estimates from Columbia University disease modelers.

    And if the New York metropolitan area had begun locking down cities and limiting social contact on March 1, two weeks earlier than when most people started staying home, a vast majority of the region’s deaths — about 84 percent — would have been avoided, the researchers estimated.

    New York, where the virus arrived early and spread quickly, the statewide lockdown on March 22, and the citywide school shutdown on March 15, were too late to avoid a calamity. The Columbia University study modeled what would have happened if those same changes had taken place one or two weeks earlier. And they show that each day that officials waited to impose restrictions in early March came at a very deadly cost.

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    #1863324
    Joseph
    Participant

    Divided by COVID-19: Democratic U.S. areas hit three times as hard as Republican ones

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – As America’s response to the coronavirus pandemic splits along partisan lines, a Reuters analysis may help explain why: Death rates in Democratic areas are triple those in Republican ones.

    By Wednesday, U.S. counties that voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election reported 39 coronavirus deaths per 100,000 residents, according to an analysis of demographic and public health data.

    In counties that voted for Republican Donald Trump, 13 of every 100,000 people had died from the virus.

    ​​​​​​
    The pattern holds beyond New York, the epicenter of the U.S. outbreak. Democratic counties in 36 of the 50 U.S. states collectively reported higher death rates than Republican counties.

    In Maryland, where the disease has killed more than 2,000 people, the death rate in the Democratic suburbs of Washington is four times higher than in the conservative counties in the Appalachian panhandle.

    ​​

    #1863367
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Joseph,
    Is this sarcasm, or making light of rhetoric?Anyways, I took the punchline to mean that, although the virus is a global issue, due to a lack [read none (HA HA isn’t that funny?)] of federal leadership it is left for the Governors to fend for themselves.

    #1863881
    Joseph
    Participant

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide per one million population as of May 23, 2020, by country

    DEATHS PER MILLION
    Belgium 806.51
    Spain 612.71
    United Kingdom 547.35
    Italy 539.72
    France 420.68
    Sweden 385.44
    Netherlands 335.91
    Ireland 328.01
    United States 293.02
    Switzerland 223.45

    #1863962
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    U. S. population is about half the population of Europe. Europe totals about 175,000 deaths. The virus isn’t greener on the other side.

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