Bnos Pnina shutdown

rescue> Put all the stress in your in laws. That sound very biblical.
Or the govement =usury

Of course you can support yourself and learn. Not a new idea. But as long as it is private and volunteer, there should not be a problem. Rambam learned while his brother supported him, and worked after that (and supported his brother’s family). I would have no problem supporting a Talmid Chochom as a S-I-L. It is just most of current learning is not at the level but it is “Torah as medicine” (idea endorsed by gemorah) – to prevent people going off the derech. For example, when I had please discussing various bochurim with their rebbes, they would say “he is learning”. What? How? “like everyone else. great”…

Maybe, things will look better if we honestly requalify expense from “learning” to saving lives of people who will drown in modern society without being locked in yeshivos. Then, this expense becomes more justified. And then we sould remember that the best tzedokah is helping people to leave the tzedokah rolls – help them acquire work skills and social skills to live in the world without going OTD.

> The question is why would people go otd so quickly if our lifestyle is supposedly the truth.

right. It is a difficult balance – if you introduce, esp kids, to the world too early, you are risking OTD, or at least acquisition of undesirable views and middos. If you don’t introduce at all – then R Soloveitchik’s question from the 1950s still stands: if we claim to have truth from Hashem, why are we hiding in caves.
Middle road is hard.

Like I said , I disagree and think camp is a necessity as part of a child’s chinuch and well being , aside for the need of structure .
Most nursing home administrators are just doing their job and not busy with the chachmas you mention . That’s just one of many. I don’t see it less honest than a lawyer.
Overall, the point remains that the degree won’t help schools stay open. The real cost per child is roughly $12k . That’s $60k for 5 kids. If your take home pay is $120k after taxes, in corporate the math doesn’t add up. And so whether you have a degree or not the schools are subject to donors. Sadly, the schools such as this one that don’t have wealthy parents are stuck

AAQ,

What does a Nursing Home Administrator have to do with sales or and costs? Do you know what a Nursing Home Administrator does? What the responsibilities are?

AAQ,

Thank you for confirming that you have no idea what a Nursing Home Administrator is. It is a very specific position with significant responsibility and a license. And yes, it is generally a pretty well-paying position, even more so if it is regional position and not just a single building.

You are just at your old “just asking questions” game. Like Tucker and Candace. Just asking questions.

I am glad to hear that there are yashar home admin. The point was that being in business raises stakes for yetzer hara, it does not mean that everyone succumbs. Out of curiosity, double-check public info about companies your friends are working in – medicaid ranks, public posts – and see how they stand against similar ones.

Chaim,
A very good point about big companies. When you join a big group, you are forced to follow their rules. This applies in Jewish environment. One of my teachers from Baltimore said publicly (in front of a full hall of 20-y olds, including me), pointing to another Rabbi sitting near him – Rav X offered me to join our groups in this initiative, but I will continue running my small group because here I am responsible for decisions, rather than having to conform to someone’s else views that I may not fully subscribe to. I later wondered why the Rav said it in front of the person who invited him and all the yungeleit? I presume he wanted us to learn the lesson – both about joining the crowds and about having courage to say it in the face of people with different opinions.

So, the short answer to your concern – yes, it is best to work in a small business. This is not a contradiction – I mean small professional business. In my humble experience, yes, you are still interacting with different customers and partners, but it is easier to get out of a bad situation by finding different customers/partners.

On nursing homes, as I said I am concerned about yetzer hara in such cut-throat business. I am not running nor yet in a nursing home, so my thoughts here are speculative … But take, for example, small-scale constructions or cleaning. when all your competitors have workers with fake SSNs, are you going to use legit workers? And then you are left to argue, like an (in)famous meat processor that he is a victim of antisemites who prosecuted him more than similar-behaving goyim.

My point is if we want to fulfil what most Rabonim in the siyum of Kiddush are saying (aside from R Nehorai) – select an easy and ehrliche _trade_.
But we have is that bochurim do not get trade education and they are all excited about earning good money in business without having any skills.

rescue, I am not sure. I mostly skip long discussions when people attack each other personalities. If I need to learn about human drama, I’ll spend time with Tanach, Shakespeare or Dostoevsky. So, if you said something I disagree with, I might have objected, but it has nothing to do with number of people for or against you. (We do have laws of majority voting – where all views are reasonable and we need to take a vote).

Chaim> I come from a different cut. i don’t think its such a sin to hire illegal or underage workers. (I know dina dmlachusa. There are heterim..

qok, so why were you dreining my kopf and did not say so in the first place? This is exactly what I was saying – you don’t know how tov unaim is to sit and not rely on those heterim.

> ” nursing homes are just as ehlich as finance”.

got it. So, in plain yinglish, you are saying that nursing homes are not ehrliche, but “ehrliche enough”. As much as other gazlanim.

I think you are pushing this shitah on others in order to justify yourself. Most Drs are not scam. Indeed, maybe only rare ones do not care about payment, as the bloodletter from Taanis, but most are providing fair service for the money.

But if you seriously believe in this, then your only kosher solution is to go in the other direction – work honestly with your hands, earn enough to afford food, and spend the rest of your day teaching your kids (as you don’t want to rely on tzedoka and non-Jewish support).

Always ask questions. Your not sure. How rich

@Always_Ask_Questions
“This is exactly what I was saying – you don’t know how tov unaim is to sit and not rely on those heterim.”
Because everyone relies on heterim. I work at corportate jobs and there is plenty of immoral business practices too. its all the same whether its “college educated” or not.
“Most Drs are not scam.”
I wouldn’t call it a scam. They follow the books. But todays books are all about private equity. Its all about a business. iots indirectly that. There are certain things they can’t do because their owners don’t let
your only kosher solution is to go in the other direction – work honestly with your hands,
I need to live and don’t know how to earn a living with my hands. I am not handy rather I am brainy. This is my job but it ain’t more ehlrlich than a nursing home. Don’t kid yourself
Bottom line for many college isn’t more ehrlich and doesn’t bring in the money more than non college. It depends. I do think its sad that it became so out of style. It has its benefits for some. Too mnay young don’t even think about accounting becuase it became nerdy. But its far from the only way