March 31, 2011 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #760017HomeownerMember
I’m still waiting for the name of the rav who approved of this action either before or after.March 31, 2011 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #760018
I’m still waiting for the name of the rav who approved of this action either before or after.
Rabbi Menachem Friedman. He is the Rav of the Aguda of E. 23rd.
You can call him and ask him, his number is in the phonebook.March 31, 2011 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #760019
Per your suggestion, I have been looking for the phone number of Rabbi Menachem Friedman, East 23rd Street in Brooklyn but have not found one. Could you provide his phone number so that we can verify the Rabbi’s approval of the action taken by these guys?March 31, 2011 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #760020
Still looking…do you have the shul’s number?March 31, 2011 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #760021
I know that’s not a Brooklyn number. Maybe it is an internet phone?
Mods- I have permission to post this.March 31, 2011 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #760022
Rabbi Menachem Friedman. He is the Rav of the Aguda of E. 23rd.
You can call him and ask him, his number is in the phonebook.
Did he also approve of his name being posted in a public forum in connection with this issue?March 31, 2011 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #760023shlishiMember
I got a Rabbi Barack at that number. Is he the assistant rabbi?March 31, 2011 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #760024
Why don’t you call and ask.March 31, 2011 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #760025
The switchboard operator should have access to the psak heter. If not, you can always fill out the appropriate FOI form for a copy.March 31, 2011 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #760026
I got a Rabbi Barack at that number. Is he the assistant rabbi?
I guess. Although, I didn’t even think he was christian, let alone jewish.March 31, 2011 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #760027
Go figure, like Kadaffi, R’ Barack is jewish too. Now he moonlites as the Rav of the Agudas Yisroel Snif East 23rd.March 31, 2011 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #760028Avram in MDParticipant
shlishi and popa_bar_abba – hilarious!March 31, 2011 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #760030
Thanks, I also got through and after promising a donation toward the shul deficit, I was assured that a full statement would be forthcoming shortly which will change everything.April 1, 2011 4:40 am at 4:40 am #760031HomeownerMember
Moderators, why do you allow a serious question like who is the rav who approves of a controversial act to be mocked by posting the number of the White House?April 1, 2011 4:47 am at 4:47 am #760032
See the OP in this thread:April 1, 2011 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #760033
I hope you at least asked him to free pollard while you were on the phone.April 1, 2011 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #760034
“I’m still waiting for the name of the rav who approved of this action”
And I’m still wating for a Rav who disproved of this action.April 1, 2011 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #760035
Nobody can disprove the action, it was caught on tape. Unless he will argue its a forgery.April 1, 2011 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #760036
mw13 didn’t say disprove any action. mw13 said there in no known Rov who disapproved of the bochorim’s deed.
FTR, I asked one of the most respected (across the spectrum and ideologies) Rabbonim in New York about this incident, and his response to me was that he was happy to hear what they did. He hasn’t told me I can go on the internet and publish his name.April 3, 2011 10:58 am at 10:58 am #760037
I’m aware of what MW13 MEANT to write, but commented on what he actually wrote.
Anyone can make the claim that they have it from the most respected Rabbonim that they approve or disapprove of anything. Without stating who, it is meaningless. You are anonymous and you are making a claim in the name of an unnamed Rav. I’m sure your an ehrlicher yid, but you see how unreliable such a claim is.April 3, 2011 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #760038Joseph / clark-kentMember
Would you name your Rov if he commented on a topic being discussed in the CR? What more do you want. Someone asked and was told they did the correct thing. Common decency demands anonymous posters not name Rabbi’s names here.
When left-wing posters here claim their unnamed Rav permitted all sorts of forbidden fruits, they are defended on their unwillingness to name names. Have the same respect.April 3, 2011 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #760039
“Common decency demands anonymous posters not name Rabbi’s names here”
Common sense demands a healthy dose of skeptism regarding everything claimed by an anonymous poster in the name of an anonymous Rav.April 3, 2011 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #760040Joseph / clark-kentMember
Then don’t demand a rabbis name.April 3, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #760041
Common sense demands a healthy dose of skeptism regarding everything claimed by an anonymous poster in the name of an anonymous Rav.
I agree. I also think that common sense demands a healthy dose of skepticism regarding everything claimed by an anonymous poster in the name of a Rav even if named (unless it’s verifiable).April 3, 2011 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #760042
I asked the greatest and most respected Rav in the world about this incident, and his response to me was that what they did was assur and a chilul Hashem. However, he won’t allow me to go on the internet with his name.April 3, 2011 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #760043shlishiMember
That’s quite odd, because *I* just personally met and asked the Posek HaDor about this, and he advised me the bochorim made a Kiddush Shem Shmayim and he envies their schar.April 3, 2011 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #760044
Everyone: Look, it was a joke. Ok? It was the white house’s number. You don’t have to keep talking about this.April 3, 2011 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #760045GumBallMember
cud people make new threads?? we need more!!April 4, 2011 12:54 am at 12:54 am #760046
My rav just told me that it would be a great mitzvah if someone spray painted over this entire thread. In fact he added, it is a davar pashut and is clearly stated in seforim hakedoshim.April 4, 2011 1:23 am at 1:23 am #760047
Okay, so we have a machlokes. The bochorim did what their mora d’asra held, and removed the pritzus from the public view. Others held not to do that, and so they didn’t do it. And after everyone did what they held, Klal Yisroel too benefited, as the shmutz was no longer in the street in the face of our men and children.
Baruch Hashem, a true “win-win” situation!April 4, 2011 1:49 am at 1:49 am #760048
“*I* just personally met and asked the Posek HaDor about this, and he advised me the bochorim made a Kiddush Shem Shmayim and he envies their schar.”
I never met you, ever!April 4, 2011 1:59 am at 1:59 am #760049
I asked the posek hador, and he said that there are at least two people impersonating him.April 4, 2011 2:06 am at 2:06 am #760050
I always impersonate myself, there’s your two, but I don’t remember speaking to you either.April 4, 2011 2:28 am at 2:28 am #760051
It parades up and down the street, all day every day.it is in everyones face as much as it ever was.April 4, 2011 2:42 am at 2:42 am #760052Hocker101Member
ok! it happened! It’s over with!! Stop commenting and fugggetabout it!!April 17, 2011 4:55 am at 4:55 am #760053
Going back quite a bit…
“So no one would have a problem is an atheist spray painted over an add for a frum organization? It’s their belief that we are spreading lies. Part of living in a wonderful country like the USA is that we are given freedoms. If we don’t respect the freedom of others, others will not care if our freedoms get restricted… PETA believes this is how to act as well. If someone posted how PETA had vandalized a picture of Chassidim wearing streimels on the street, no one could be ok with it. When we ask for freedoms we have to grant it to others, or we have no right to ask for it.”
I believe the essential point that it boils down to is this: we are right, and they are wrong. It may not be very politically correct to say (understatement of the century), but ani maaman bi’emunah shelaima, I believe it with complete faith. Therefore, the actions we take based on our correct ideals are justified, while actions taken based on incorrect ideas are unjustified.
In other words, I do not blame atheists, PETA, etc. for the actions they take to support their ideals; I blame them for having the wrong ideals in the first place. Their base belief is off; therefore, everything they do to support it is unjustified.
We, however, are correct. Therefore, the actions we take to defend our correct, God-given ideals are perfectly justified.April 17, 2011 4:58 am at 4:58 am #760054
Now brace yourselves for comments like “well the Christians think they’re correct” and the like.April 17, 2011 5:00 am at 5:00 am #760055
Simple answer: I don’t care what they think. They’re wrong.April 17, 2011 11:10 am at 11:10 am #760056lesschumrasParticipant
I find it ironic that we live in the first country since the days of the Gaonim that actually allows us the freedom to practice as Jews without interference from the Church and people like you want to use that freedom to to deny it tto others.
Contrary to your opinion, Boro Park is not a theocracy and you cannot dictate to others what they can or cannot see or do. Not all people agree with with your definition of tznius.
And you should care what they think. Even if they are wrong, that would be of small comfort to the men they might assault because they believe beards and peyos are forbidden. Once you establish that people can take actions into their own hands, it matters little what you think. The fact that the Russian peasantsvwho murdered Jews during this time of year were wrong in their beliefs didn’t make the Jews any less dead.April 17, 2011 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #760057
First of all, you are talking about “freedoms”, I am talking about what is right and what is wrong. One can have the “freedom” to something, but it can still be wrong.
“Contrary to your opinion, Boro Park is not a theocracy”
So what? The halacha applies everywhere, whether it’s accepted or not.
“And you should care what they think… The fact that the Russian peasantsvwho murdered Jews during this time of year were wrong in their beliefs didn’t make the Jews any less dead.”
Not sure exactly what your point is here… nothing in this world will make Jews murdered in the pogroms any less dead.April 17, 2011 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #760059
“My point is that you seem to feel that other people do not havethe freedom to somethinh that you feel is conytarry to your definition of halacha.”
People have the “freedom” to do whatever they want; it’s called bechira.But yes, I do feel that any action that violates the halacha is wrong. Actually, I would consider that one of the basics of Judaisim.
“You also eel that goyim don’t havethe right to do do the same thing because they are wrong.”
“Muslims are wrong in their beliefs;However, once you establish the principle that you can enforcr halacha on anything that offends you, the fact that they are wrong would not stop them from enforcing Sharia law on Jews walking rom enforcing Sharia on any Jew walking down Coneu=y Island Avenue.”
I’m not trying to stop anybody from doing anything; I’m trying to explain the truth as best as I can understand it.
Do the Muslims, mistakenly thinking they are right, believe that they are justified in enforcing their incorrect beliefs? Probably; but in the end of the day they’re wrong. So yes, they subjectively think that they’re right; but since our religion is the true one, they are objectively wrong.April 17, 2011 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #760060tutzechMember
big chillul hashem they should have just walked awayApril 17, 2011 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #760061
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