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How come bowling isn’t so popular amongst the frum community in NYC? I mean i never see girls, besides for my friends and I at the bowling alley, I always see frum guys there. Why is that?
Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.
crdle
I think the girls are in all the food and ice cream joints.
I think its hard to bowl without slits even if your skirt is all the way down to the floor!
Where do you get that bowling isnt popular? me, my friends,and family go quite often and its always packed with frum..
Maybe they like to shoot pool?
I can’t lift the heavy bowling balls. I grew up in Maryland where we bowled duckpins with much lighter balls. But if you are in NYC you have to go to Connecticut for duckpin lanes.
soright, your comment was just that- so right! aries- you can bowl with a pleated skirt, or a -line skirt, that’s not a problem. rather its not so refined for girls to move the way you have to when you bowl with other men around.
definitely in LA its normal to see a whole group of girls out bowling. And I totally don’t get why it would be a tznius issue????
Shlomozalman – beautiful paragraph. Let me know when the Purim edition comes out.
The way I bowl (though I have not done so in a long time), no one would accuse me of not being tzniusdig – (klutzy and coordinationally-challenged, maybe, but not untzniusdig).
oomis: Purim it’s absolutely mutar for girls to go bowling since the boys are all out collecting!!!
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Shlomozalman, my own daughters do the breathing thing, although I am loath to admit it. I’ve already spoken to several Gedolim about it, but none of them have come up with any alternate suggestions.
so right or so wrong, there is no tzinius problem w/bowling.
The frei agree with you.
To Charlie Hall: bowling alleys I’ve been at all have balls 10 lbs. and under.
To SZ: Right now you have the zechus of reading something typed by a woman not presently bowling. How many mitzvos do I have for every second not spent bowling?
so right
You are clearly an extremist. What is wrong with girls bowling?
Why don’t you read the comment of one of the other extremists here, like sms007, who as already answered your question?
Pinchas was also an extremist.
shlomozalman, breathing is permitted, but only because of pikuach nefesh. However, it is required to breath through your nose, as breathing through your mouth might cause you to swallow a flying insect.
Kosher Innovations is reportedly working on the “Kosher Screen”, which is a screen the goes over your mouth and filters out any bugs that you might ch”v otherwise inhale.
so right, the Midrash says that Pinchas’s motives were entirely pure, 100% dedicated towards sanctifying the name of Hashem. It says that if he had even the smallest amount of a different motive, he would have been chayav misah for what he did. When you’re positive that your motives are 100% (not 99.9999%) pure, then get back to me.
There is no reason to doubt the pure motivation, Feif.
Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.
I approve, and think this is correct. Yeshivish Girls would not be caught dead bowling.
How can a girl even have time to go bowling, with all the chessed she is supposed to be doing. Those that are even thinking of going out bowling must have to much time on their hands and therefore sit down with a Tehillim to beg forgiveness for such idle thoughts.
Besides, once girls are let out to bowl, the next thing you know, they will want to drive , or chas v’shalom, ride a bike there. And they will just brink down the entire morality of the generation.
(tongue in cheek)
Feif Un
Well said.
sms007
“rather its not so refined for girls to move the way you have to when you bowl with other men around.”
Im not sure what that even means normal bowlers just bend over a little and throw the ball. Is that the problem?
GAW
“Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.
I approve, and think this is correct. Yeshivish Girls would not be caught dead bowling.”
Yeshivish is relative. I think you are referring to the real eidel yeshivish types. I think a typical girl would go bowling.
WIY – Your sense of refinement is simply not up to par with that of a Bas Yisroel.
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I’m a guy, however I have seen many frum yeshivish looking girls going bowling. I have seen other types as well but I think we have to be careful before we go ahead branding bowling as not tznius. I do think that to a certain extent if you don’t let girls do anything you are almost forcing them to rebel.
WIY
I believe that the problem IS that you bend over to bowl.
Bottom line is that bowling is an extremely tznius activity. If you dont want to you dont have to bend. I went on a date with a pretty Yeshivish guy and we went bowling (I chose the spot) and he looked away when it was my turn. You know what GOOD FOR HIM! Girls dont need to be locked up because a guy might see something. Whats next, girls cant go outside because they might drop something and have to bend down to pick it up?
I am not a fan of girls saying “well the boys dont have to look” when doing something immodest. In this case the girls are doing nothing wrong, if a boy thinks he will see something wrong or beneath him then HE can take the steps to protect himself.
WIY – Your sense of refinement is simply not up to par with that of a Bas Yisroel.
You have yet to show that your sense of refinement re: a Bas Yisroel is the correct one.
The Wolf
“Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.
I approve, and think this is correct. Yeshivish Girls would not be caught dead bowling.”
Yeshivish is relative. I think you are referring to the real eidel yeshivish types. I think a typical girl would go bowling.
Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.
It also means a lot more than halacha.
It means the principals off their backs.
It means not missing a spot in sem because someone once saw them bowling.
And it means they might have a chance at the Lakewood Bochur and not staying single, as opposed to someone telling their prospective not to date her since they once saw her bowling.
There is much more at stake here than “unimportant” Tznius!!
Ah, but if we put aside the notion that bowling is untznius, then why would a seminary reject a girl because she once bowled? Why would a Lakewood guy turn her down sight-unseen because she was once seen at a bowling alley? Why would principals be “on their backs” for bowling?
The Wolf
The Wolf:
😛
Not the point.
Sacrilege
The guy you dated did the right thing. He shouldn’t have been watching your body while you bowl. But I agree women can’t be locked up there have to be some outlets for women other than food.
You aren’t bowling properly if you are bending over.
That being said, bowling is 100% not tzanua and no woman should bowl.
SJ, if you can see this
apparently your account here has been hijacked by an imposter
dont be alarmed
we are looking into it
WIY
*gasp* Eating in public?!
Mod80, I’m taking over for MR 🙂
crdle
it was a friendly joke
I think I’m going to become the new tznius police.
BTW Mod80, that was a funny parody on the cable stealing broadcasts. Someone must watch (or have watched) stolen cable in their lifetime…hmm…that isn’t tzanua.
Sacrilege
The gasp with stars again! Wow 🙂 I’m sure they just pretend to be eating like Avrahams Malachim.
Frum girls don’t go bowling because they find it boring. And why do you always find frum boys there?? Serious bittul zman going on…
“Ah, but if we put aside the notion that bowling is untznius, then why would a seminary reject a girl because she once bowled? Why would a Lakewood guy turn her down sight-unseen because she was once seen at a bowling alley? Why would principals be “on their backs” for bowling?”
But you cant put tznius aside. well you can but most people wont becuz its halacha.
bowling is not a tznius issue…therefore, its not putting halacha aside. therefore, that last comment didnt make too much sense to me…
WIY, bowling is just bending over a little? I think not. And just as a by the way, I’m sure you know the halacha that a woman can’t walk in front of man. But alls what they are doing is just walking a little? obviously, its in the way the body moves.
also, im sure you know other is a right way and a wrong way to bend for women (which we learned from rut. the right being to squat down, and the wrong way to lean forward)and to bowl, you have to bend the wrong way- you can’t exacty squat and bowl….
Sms007
I hear you…but how many girls bend like Rus in real life? Most don’t. I don’t think its a chiyuv for a girl to bend that way. If it is quote me sources.
A girl can’t bend over because she has to worry maybe a guy is watching her? That’s extreme I think. I’m a guy and I try to watch what I see but I can’t condone making women miserable because we have a yetzer hara.
I would say that if the bowling alleyy is packed with guys maybe a girl shouldn’t go. But if there aren’t a lot of men there and they can get a lane next to other girls it shouldn’t be a problem.
Heh. My very first date was a bowling date. 🙂
The Wolf
Because its expensive and most alleys are overwhelmed by goyim.
Perhaps an investor could come up with “single sex” solutions that might help – and find a way to do it more cheaply.
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