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  • #592833

    crdle
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    How come bowling isn’t so popular amongst the frum community in NYC? I mean i never see girls, besides for my friends and I at the bowling alley, I always see frum guys there. Why is that?

    #705847

    so right
    Member

    Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.

    #705848

    WIY
    Member

    crdle

    I think the girls are in all the food and ice cream joints.

    #705849

    aries2756
    Participant

    I think its hard to bowl without slits even if your skirt is all the way down to the floor!

    #705850

    toomuch00
    Member

    Where do you get that bowling isnt popular? me, my friends,and family go quite often and its always packed with frum..

    #705851

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Maybe they like to shoot pool?

    #705852

    charliehall
    Participant

    I can’t lift the heavy bowling balls. I grew up in Maryland where we bowled duckpins with much lighter balls. But if you are in NYC you have to go to Connecticut for duckpin lanes.

    #705853

    crdle
    Member

    we go bowling very often, and I usually don’t see any frum girls, sometimes we see couples, the rest are all guys! sooo weird. Charliehall- not all balls are heavy, I use number 12, but u can use as low as 6

    #705854

    sms007
    Member

    soright, your comment was just that- so right! aries- you can bowl with a pleated skirt, or a -line skirt, that’s not a problem. rather its not so refined for girls to move the way you have to when you bowl with other men around.

    #705855

    definitely in LA its normal to see a whole group of girls out bowling. And I totally don’t get why it would be a tznius issue????

    #705857

    oomis
    Participant

    Shlomozalman – beautiful paragraph. Let me know when the Purim edition comes out.

    #705858

    oomis
    Participant

    The way I bowl (though I have not done so in a long time), no one would accuse me of not being tzniusdig – (klutzy and coordinationally-challenged, maybe, but not untzniusdig).

    #705859

    Mayan_Dvash
    Participant

    oomis: Purim it’s absolutely mutar for girls to go bowling since the boys are all out collecting!!!

    ;

    #705860

    mamashtakah
    Member

    Shlomozalman, my own daughters do the breathing thing, although I am loath to admit it. I’ve already spoken to several Gedolim about it, but none of them have come up with any alternate suggestions.

    #705861

    yechezkel89
    Member

    so right or so wrong, there is no tzinius problem w/bowling.

    #705862

    so right
    Member

    The frei agree with you.

    #705863

    tzippi
    Member

    To Charlie Hall: bowling alleys I’ve been at all have balls 10 lbs. and under.

    To SZ: Right now you have the zechus of reading something typed by a woman not presently bowling. How many mitzvos do I have for every second not spent bowling?

    #705864

    WIY
    Member

    so right

    You are clearly an extremist. What is wrong with girls bowling?

    #705865

    so right
    Member

    Why don’t you read the comment of one of the other extremists here, like sms007, who as already answered your question?

    Pinchas was also an extremist.

    #705866

    Feif Un
    Participant

    shlomozalman, breathing is permitted, but only because of pikuach nefesh. However, it is required to breath through your nose, as breathing through your mouth might cause you to swallow a flying insect.

    Kosher Innovations is reportedly working on the “Kosher Screen”, which is a screen the goes over your mouth and filters out any bugs that you might ch”v otherwise inhale.

    #705867

    Feif Un
    Participant

    so right, the Midrash says that Pinchas’s motives were entirely pure, 100% dedicated towards sanctifying the name of Hashem. It says that if he had even the smallest amount of a different motive, he would have been chayav misah for what he did. When you’re positive that your motives are 100% (not 99.9999%) pure, then get back to me.

    #705868

    Helpful
    Member

    There is no reason to doubt the pure motivation, Feif.

    #705869

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.

    I approve, and think this is correct. Yeshivish Girls would not be caught dead bowling.

    #705870

    How can a girl even have time to go bowling, with all the chessed she is supposed to be doing. Those that are even thinking of going out bowling must have to much time on their hands and therefore sit down with a Tehillim to beg forgiveness for such idle thoughts.

    Besides, once girls are let out to bowl, the next thing you know, they will want to drive , or chas v’shalom, ride a bike there. And they will just brink down the entire morality of the generation.

    (tongue in cheek)

    #705871

    WIY
    Member

    Feif Un

    Well said.

    sms007

    “rather its not so refined for girls to move the way you have to when you bowl with other men around.”

    Im not sure what that even means normal bowlers just bend over a little and throw the ball. Is that the problem?

    #705872

    WIY
    Member

    GAW

    “Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.

    I approve, and think this is correct. Yeshivish Girls would not be caught dead bowling.”

    Yeshivish is relative. I think you are referring to the real eidel yeshivish types. I think a typical girl would go bowling.

    #705873

    Helpful
    Member

    WIY – Your sense of refinement is simply not up to par with that of a Bas Yisroel.

    #705874

    WIY
    Member

    Helpful

    I’m a guy, however I have seen many frum yeshivish looking girls going bowling. I have seen other types as well but I think we have to be careful before we go ahead branding bowling as not tznius. I do think that to a certain extent if you don’t let girls do anything you are almost forcing them to rebel.

    #705875

    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    I believe that the problem IS that you bend over to bowl.

    Bottom line is that bowling is an extremely tznius activity. If you dont want to you dont have to bend. I went on a date with a pretty Yeshivish guy and we went bowling (I chose the spot) and he looked away when it was my turn. You know what GOOD FOR HIM! Girls dont need to be locked up because a guy might see something. Whats next, girls cant go outside because they might drop something and have to bend down to pick it up?

    I am not a fan of girls saying “well the boys dont have to look” when doing something immodest. In this case the girls are doing nothing wrong, if a boy thinks he will see something wrong or beneath him then HE can take the steps to protect himself.

    #705876

    crdle
    Member

    u guys are nuts! maybe ill invite all the girls in town to my house so we can all learn together a sefer about tznius instead of bowling! gosh!!!!!!

    #705877

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    WIY – Your sense of refinement is simply not up to par with that of a Bas Yisroel.

    You have yet to show that your sense of refinement re: a Bas Yisroel is the correct one.

    The Wolf

    #705878

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    “Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.

    I approve, and think this is correct. Yeshivish Girls would not be caught dead bowling.”

    Yeshivish is relative. I think you are referring to the real eidel yeshivish types. I think a typical girl would go bowling.

    Because tznius and refinement means a lot more than just clothing to most frum girls.

    It also means a lot more than halacha.

    It means the principals off their backs.

    It means not missing a spot in sem because someone once saw them bowling.

    And it means they might have a chance at the Lakewood Bochur and not staying single, as opposed to someone telling their prospective not to date her since they once saw her bowling.

    There is much more at stake here than “unimportant” Tznius!!

    #705879

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Ah, but if we put aside the notion that bowling is untznius, then why would a seminary reject a girl because she once bowled? Why would a Lakewood guy turn her down sight-unseen because she was once seen at a bowling alley? Why would principals be “on their backs” for bowling?

    The Wolf

    #705880

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    The Wolf:

    😛

    Not the point.

    #705881

    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    The guy you dated did the right thing. He shouldn’t have been watching your body while you bowl. But I agree women can’t be locked up there have to be some outlets for women other than food.

    #705882

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    You aren’t bowling properly if you are bending over.

    That being said, bowling is 100% not tzanua and no woman should bowl.

    #705883

    SJ, if you can see this

    apparently your account here has been hijacked by an imposter

    dont be alarmed

    we are looking into it

    #705884

    crdle
    Member

    Mod-80 why do u think her account was hijacked?

    #705885

    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    *gasp* Eating in public?!

    #705886

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Mod80, I’m taking over for MR 🙂

    #705887

    crdle

    it was a friendly joke

    #705888

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    I think I’m going to become the new tznius police.

    BTW Mod80, that was a funny parody on the cable stealing broadcasts. Someone must watch (or have watched) stolen cable in their lifetime…hmm…that isn’t tzanua.

    #705889

    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    The gasp with stars again! Wow 🙂 I’m sure they just pretend to be eating like Avrahams Malachim.

    #705890

    EloQuint5
    Member

    Frum girls don’t go bowling because they find it boring. And why do you always find frum boys there?? Serious bittul zman going on…

    #705891

    mosherose
    Member

    “Ah, but if we put aside the notion that bowling is untznius, then why would a seminary reject a girl because she once bowled? Why would a Lakewood guy turn her down sight-unseen because she was once seen at a bowling alley? Why would principals be “on their backs” for bowling?”

    But you cant put tznius aside. well you can but most people wont becuz its halacha.

    #705892

    bowling is not a tznius issue…therefore, its not putting halacha aside. therefore, that last comment didnt make too much sense to me…

    #705893

    sms007
    Member

    WIY, bowling is just bending over a little? I think not. And just as a by the way, I’m sure you know the halacha that a woman can’t walk in front of man. But alls what they are doing is just walking a little? obviously, its in the way the body moves.

    also, im sure you know other is a right way and a wrong way to bend for women (which we learned from rut. the right being to squat down, and the wrong way to lean forward)and to bowl, you have to bend the wrong way- you can’t exacty squat and bowl….

    #705894

    WIY
    Member

    Sms007

    I hear you…but how many girls bend like Rus in real life? Most don’t. I don’t think its a chiyuv for a girl to bend that way. If it is quote me sources.

    A girl can’t bend over because she has to worry maybe a guy is watching her? That’s extreme I think. I’m a guy and I try to watch what I see but I can’t condone making women miserable because we have a yetzer hara.

    I would say that if the bowling alleyy is packed with guys maybe a girl shouldn’t go. But if there aren’t a lot of men there and they can get a lane next to other girls it shouldn’t be a problem.

    #705895

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Heh. My very first date was a bowling date. 🙂

    The Wolf

    #705896

    akuperma
    Participant

    Because its expensive and most alleys are overwhelmed by goyim.

    Perhaps an investor could come up with “single sex” solutions that might help – and find a way to do it more cheaply.

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