Can a frum Jew go on birthright?

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    zephyr10
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    Is a frum yid allowed to go on one of those birthright trips if he can’t afford a trip to Eretz Yisroel?
    Are there any gedolim that say it’s asur?

    #1763239

    BneiBarakObama
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    Find out about frum people that make exclusive birthright trips.

    #1763240

    bk613
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    There are frum organizations that run separate men and women groups that use good hechsherim and keep the trips kosher. The non frum groups are not even remotely kosher in any sense of the word. The hechsherim they allow are not ones accepted by most, keeping shabbos is optional, and mingling between guys and girls is actively encouraged.

    #1763254

    lakewhut
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    There are frum groups. You might even meet your shidduch during your tour.

    #1763400

    rational
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    Is a frum yid allowed to go on birthright?
    Of course he is, but he’ll be uncomfortable, out of place, and will wish he hadn’t.
    Permitted, yes. Recommended? Very much no.

    #1763464

    Gadolhadorah
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    Yes. There are multiple “Birthright” trips scheduled at different times of year that are geared to the needs of different segments of the tizbur. While mostly known for arranging trips for college age students (men and women), you can find trips that have mixed gender, separate gender, strictly kosher and shomer Shabbos etc. Of course, you need to due your own research and most important, speak to some of those who have taken that specific trip and if possible with the specific guides who you are considering on your trip. For those who have never been, a trip to EY can change your life, both from a spiritual and political awareness perspective. Good luck and I hope you can find the right trip to fit your needs.

    #1763469

    Eli51
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    Many of the Gedolim ossured any Birthright trip including the frum alot of the Zionist places they go to or men driving girls in Jeep’s during the frum girls trip. I went on the frum birthright trip twice once as a participant & once as a staff member & stopped going as on of the mashgichim hador told me it’s issue to go on these trips. The second trip I went on the men’s group & woman’s group stood in the same hotel for part of the trip & some of the men & woman were playing basketball together.

    #1763588

    KShomron
    Participant

    “Mashgichim HaDor”? That’s a new one for me.

    #1763586

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “men driving girls in Jeep’s during the frum girls trip”

    I’m not sure if you are trolling or really think women cannot ride in a bus driven by a man……90 percent of bus drivers for girls yeshivos and for the bus lines on which frum women travel to work are MEN. The driver is focusing on the jeep or bus, not engaging with the women.

    #1763518

    lakewhut
    Participant

    Which gedolim?

    #1764641

    Eli51
    Participant

    I do not want to quote these Gedolim publicly but the mashgiach hador who I asked told me that Birthright is ossur because men drive woman in Jeep’s & didn’t like the Zionist places they go to like Her Hertzel etc. PS. I never quote psak from Gedolim in public as most Gedolim or poskim unless they give permission don’t want to be quoted as they pasken for the person asked & therefore everyone should ask his/her Rav before going on a birthright trip.

    #1764770

    yichusdik
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    Wow, visiting the kedoshim who gave their lives to save Jews. Sounds reprehensible. Could lead to, who knows, hakoras hatov or ahavas yisroel! We wouldn’t want that now, would we?

    #1764791

    Bshtei_Einayim
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    I personally spoke to a mainstream popular Beis Yaakov educator in the NY area. I was advised to absolutely avoid it – as there are many many issues. Sorry but I was not given permission to give out her name but the advice I received again, was that even the “Frum” birthright trips are problematic.

    #1764835

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Eli51, can you explain why the Jeep makes it assur for the man to drive?

    #1764889

    Eli51
    Participant

    To RebYidd23 you would have to ask the Gedolim or mashgichim hador is Eretz Yisroel that question. In regards to the Bais Yaakov Director I don’t know if that is still the case but there was alot of exacturation as to what really happened on those trips. This is because there were many people whose rabbeim did not allow them to go so they went back & exacturated in the hope no one else goes as they felt jealous. Infact when the mashgiach hador told me I can’t go I tried explaining exacturations until he bought it the two issues above which in that case I had no argument & accepted his Pesak

    #1764903

    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    What is “exacturation”?

    #1764933

    klugeryid
    Participant

    exacturation
    A perfectly calibrated hyperboly

    #1764996

    MrSarahLevine613
    Participant

    exacturation? is that a word? I googled it and YWN comes up!!

    #1764997

    MrSarahLevine613
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    As you may or may not know — many organizations (OU for example) run birthright trips. Some are not religious and some — like the OU — are run “orthodox” but, on some of the trips, NONE of the participants are religious. That’s great — but it may not be for you. I have heard of birth right trips that cater to orthodox individuals. Not sure who runs them. (The other stuff about jeeps, and you asked a “certain unnamed gadol” — like much here should be ignored. You can go to another thread and see a frum woman who achieved professionally just being maligned in post after post. I hope Im not friends with any of these people — i assume im not).

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