October 4, 2011 3:39 am at 3:39 am #814939
I follow Halacha. I think the idea of a “Hashkafa” has been very harmful and followed much divisiveness in Judaism. I do what I am obligated to, don’t do what is Assur, and sometimes do what is Muttar. I have my Rebbeim and Poskim who I follow for Lema’aseh Shailos. I don’t need or want an overarching “Hashkafa” to help me circumvent Halacha where it doesn’t “feel right”.October 4, 2011 5:53 am at 5:53 am #814940sam4321Participant
Sam2: I highly agree,basically a Shulchan Aruch yid.October 4, 2011 6:18 am at 6:18 am #814941HealthParticipant
Sam2 – Why don’t you just say YU Hashkafa?October 4, 2011 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #814942
Health: Is that what YU Hashkafa is? I feel like there are plenty of things about a “YU Hashkafa” that would just entirely misrepresent what I think.October 4, 2011 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #814943
Gumball- I’m engaged. too late. and i dont think you were my shadchan- even though it was a young girl who thought of it!October 4, 2011 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #814944HealthParticipant
Sam2 -You gotta say something – so people will Redd you Shidduchim. It’s called Histadlus. After you start going out and start to feel comfortable with the girl, usually sometime after the first date, at this time you can start having deep Hashkafa convos and see if she is on the same page as you!October 4, 2011 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #814945
yeshiva- what are you all about? I have lots of friends who would love to go out with someone….. lolOctober 4, 2011 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #814946
Health: I have sisters. They’ll start recommending their friends to me at some point.October 4, 2011 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #814947
do your sisters know what you need and want? or do they not understand you like everyone else?October 4, 2011 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #814948
I don’t think I’m misunderstood. I think I’m just weird. But I would think that they do.October 4, 2011 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #814949mustangriderMember
sam2 – do you tell ppl what you told us here – you know the whole explenation? cuz the first time you said you have no Hashkafa, it sounded pretty bad, but once you explained yourself you made perfect sence.
and Adorable I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE ENGAGED!!!!!!!! MAZEL TOV!!!!!
i guess i missed alot in the few weeks i was away….October 4, 2011 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #814950
yup guess u missed it! thank u!October 4, 2011 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #814951Queen BeeMember
Sam2, embrace your weirdness!October 4, 2011 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #814952
Sam2, you are a litvak.October 4, 2011 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #814953GumBallMember
adorable-MAZEL TOV!! I knew it would happen some day!! When did u get engaged?? btw how old was the person tht redt the shidduch??
you and your Chosson should build a bayis neeman byisrael with mazel, parnassah ,a lot of children,shalom…..!!October 4, 2011 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #814954
Yitay: A litvack who doesn’t only wear white shirts and says Halel with a Bracha on Yom Ha’atzma’ut? Oops…October 5, 2011 2:55 am at 2:55 am #814955
Sam2, Not a raya one way or the other. Litvak’s can be very diverse. I didn’t say you were a Brisker. Although you might claim that you learn at a branch of Brisk…October 5, 2011 3:32 am at 3:32 am #814956ObaminatorMember
yitay: You’re understanding of a Litvak (both as you defined it here and on previous occasions) is way off base.October 5, 2011 3:47 am at 3:47 am #814957
Obaminator – I wasn’t the only one who thought as I did then, and I don’t believe things would be different here. And having gone through almost the entire spectrum of the Litvishe system – Lakewood for HS and Beis Medrash, then Mir (Jerusalem), Ner Israel (Baltimore), and now BMG – and as someone who asks questions, reads books, and listens to what my rabbeim have to say, I feel confident enough to believe that I am not way off base.October 5, 2011 4:01 am at 4:01 am #814958MiddlePathParticipant
Sam2, interestingly enough, I also don’t label myself with any “certain type” of hashkafa. I do know, however, that some of my personal values and things I consider important are extremely different from many people, but I try to not let that bother me. It makes me who I am. And for the record, I don’t only wear white shirts, and for the past several years I have said hallel (although without a bracha) on Yom Ha’atzma’ut, since it was the minhag of my yeshiva. But I don’t think those things define who I am. My connection to G-d, Judaism, and G-d’s creations is what defines who I am.October 5, 2011 4:04 am at 4:04 am #814959ObaminatorMember
You are allowing your hashkafic opinions to redefine the meaning of it. I don’t know if you are conscious of this or it’s more subtle to you. But your positions are very off from standard Litvish hashkafos, including but not limited to your choice of mora d’asra. Your posturing them in historic terms notwithstanding.October 5, 2011 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #814960ootinnyMember
this thread is annoying for those of us who are single. adorable- join the club? wow all of a sudden you become engaged and you’re in this cool exclusive club that single pple r not cool enuf to be in? real nice before rosh hashonaOctober 5, 2011 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #814961minyan galMember
I think Sam2 might just have the right idea. Why can’t more of us just simply be Jewish? We all follow the same Torah and celebrate the same Chagim. There seems to be so much “inter-sect” arguing going on all the time that it leaves little time for doing good things for mankind.October 5, 2011 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #814962Queen BeeMember
ootinny, at first I felt the same way as you, but then I realized that no one here meant to offend anyone. You have to understand that those of us who are single don’t know what the engaged ones are feeling (on cloud nine, in lala land). We’ll never feel it unless we get engaged. Now likewise, those who are engaged should be a little more considerate to those who are still single. It’s a tough place to be. Although for me personally, I’m okay with where I am.
Hey, you can start a singles’ club. All those married or engaged? GET OUT! We’ll probably have more fun anyway 😛October 5, 2011 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #814963
I do not believe you are correct historically. I think that the “litvishe” mehalech always left room for a lot of diversity, and precisely because it was never too interested in a specific “hashkafa” the way others were. Look at the diversity of those who came out of Slabodka, what yeshiva comes close to that nowadays? Come on, from R’ Shach and R’ Aharon to the Seridei Eish and even Saul Leiberman and Shmuel Atlas, and of course R’ Hutner, R’ Ruderman and so on.
Personally I believe that many of the current yeshivas which are descendants of that system are not that way anymore because of the great influence other segments of Klal Yisroel has had on them. And that influence is so clear and obvious; just to demonstrate – would anyone dream 100 years ago of looking for bottles of wine bentched by a litvishe rav the way these tzedakah organizations do these days?
I also think that the world has in general become much more emotional and less attuned to good old fashioned detached intellectual discussions.October 6, 2011 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #814964
ootinny- I seriously hope you wrote your comment sarcastically. Its not an exclusive club and it doesnt mean you are better or worse but it just means you are engaged. sorry that I hurt you. I’m not trying to, I promiseOctober 6, 2011 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #814965
singles are dumb.October 6, 2011 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #814966TheGoqParticipant
oot i am single and am not at all offended by what adorable said she was merely congratulating a new kallah, pba you flatterer you!October 6, 2011 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #814968
Popa – do you mean to say 1) that they are dumb for not getting married, 2) for not being able to get married, 3) or simply because intelligence is only shayich by someone who is married, or 4) are you being facetious, in which case I can ask the reverse of tzdadim 1 and 3?October 6, 2011 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #814969
Im scared to comment anymore and say something in response to popa’s post but I have something really sharp….wont risk it though!October 6, 2011 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #814970YW Moderator-80Member
go ahead, i dare youOctober 6, 2011 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #814971
I also dare you.
I also dare yitaynigwut. (I’m not sure what I’m daring him, but he daren’t)October 6, 2011 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #814972
i cant insult someone so close to Yom Kippur. also, since I got engaged Im trying very hard not to hurt others through my simchaOctober 6, 2011 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #814973
This was very clever, you got us thinking you had a good response.
But I’ve figured you out.October 6, 2011 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #814974
you have? can you help lots of people who haven’t yet? Thank G-d I think my chosson has more or less, even though he might still be in for a shock but aren’t most people?October 6, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #814975am yisrael chaiParticipant
“go ahead, I dare you”
80 wants to take that dubious pleasure from deleting yet another post 🙂October 6, 2011 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #814977
its not even funny anymore. now its like stale bread.October 6, 2011 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #814978
I don’t even believe that you are married, Popa, so there.October 6, 2011 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #814979
he never said he is and even if hes not……maybe hes just being very honest that hes stupid.October 6, 2011 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #814980
I think stale bread is funny.
yitayningwut: I don’t believe it either! I don’t think anyone does!October 6, 2011 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #814981
because ur notOctober 6, 2011 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #814982YW Moderator-80Member
bread in general is not funny.
i dont see a difference between fresh and stale though.
moldy bread is not funny at allOctober 6, 2011 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #814983
80- u are on a roll today. how are you gonna get into the Yom Kippur “mode” shortly? you are being way too funny.October 6, 2011 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #814984
gumball- never answered you but I think others did, yes I am engaged B”H. thank you. wanna come to the wedding? Ill keep you posted. my shadchan was a 19 year old.October 6, 2011 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #814985
Popa – Hey, you dared me, and that’s the first thing that came to my mind. I was farmished.
Mod 80 – You’re a riot. Lol.October 6, 2011 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #814986GumBallMember
Hey My threads never got this far!! CONGRATS 2 ME!! Thanx everyone!!
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