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    shniff
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    I was in town recently and i noticed boys, yeshiva bochurim and grown men, wearing colored shirts. Blue and grey is one thing but i noticed pink and purple too! Shouldn’t that be assur? Isnt that Assur since those colors are really womens…therfore classifying these clothing as beged Isha? Maybe just because Im an old timer but iv’e never seen this before and am slightly confused.

    because this is a highly sensitive issue involving men, perhaps we should limit this thread to men only.

    #669243

    It must be assur for men to wear purple or pink shirts as it can come to mixed dancing.

    #669244

    When I was a Bochur, not so many years ago, it was quite accepted. The high school Bochurim all did, as did many Bais Medrash Bochurim. Slowly – the Yeshivishe oilam moved to only white. Now, I see a lot of elementary school boys only wering white shirts. What’s p’shat??

    #669245

    shniff
    Member

    that is a good point. i never thought of that

    #669246

    israelbochur
    Member

    no … something else is assur b/c it may come to mixed dancing (is this allowed???)

    as for beged isha … as far as i am aware, that applies to the type of beged, not color

    i could be mistaken though

    also, why should women not be allowed a voice in this thread … if we were discussing men’s sleeve lengths i would understand, but we are not, so let the games begin i say

    #669247

    jphone
    Member

    Does this mean black, blue and grey are mens colors and assur for women to wear? Is white gender neuteral?

    #669248

    Feif Un
    Participant

    Can boys wear red shirts? Doesn’t the chareidi world say that women can’t wear red, so that must mean it’s ok for boys, because it’s definitely not beged isha, right?

    #669249

    haifagirl
    Participant

    A friend of mine is extremely involved with a yeshiva that does not require the bochurim to wear white shirts. A friend of hers with a daughter asked about a particular bochur. She asked if he wears only white shirts. My friend replied that she wouldn’t answer the question as it wasn’t relevant. The woman asked her, “but if he doesn’t wear white shirts, how do I know he’s frum?”

    I guess learning in a yeshiva is not good enough.

    #669250

    tzippi
    Member

    1) Is this for real?

    1a) Is it mutar for men in white shirts to surf the net?

    2) It’s become accepted (not mandatory, B”H) for bar mitzvah boys, who might be in 6th grade, and up to wear white shirts. Any younger is sadistic, for the boy, mother, society.

    #669251

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Please tell me this is a joke.

    #669252

    Jax
    Member

    lesschumras: the CR is a very serious place!

    #669253

    ronrsr
    Member

    My collection of Hawaiian shirts is at risk here.

    #669254

    HIE
    Participant

    i only know of one mesivta where the bochurim aren’t required to wear white shirts.

    #669255

    jphone
    Member

    I know of at least half a dozen mesivtas that dont require bachurim to only wear white shirts.

    #669256

    Men can wear colored shirts just like women can wear colors besides black. Like, what is that about? men can only be a penguin and women need to look like they are always going to a funeral?

    #669257

    jphone
    Member

    “I guess learning in a yeshiva is not good enough.”

    Of course it isnt. Whats important is…..

    . The name of the yeshiva

    . The color of his shirt

    . That he stopped going to sleepaway camp and started in “learning camp” no later than 9 years old.

    #669258

    truthsharer
    Member

    It is a very good thing color film was not readily available in Europe.

    #669259

    hud
    Member

    lesschumras- u nvr knw

    #669260

    shniff
    Member

    hmmmm i hav what to think about although still slightly confused

    #669261

    hud
    Member

    lol ill take a shrt ronrsr

    #669262

    mybat
    Member

    Jphone, lol!!!

    #669263

    ronrsr
    Member

    I don’t have any spare shirts, but I do have lots of very colorful silk ties from an old business venture in the basement.

    #669264

    mybat
    Member

    Great ronsr, imagine all the yeshiva bochurs with your ties!:)

    #669265

    Josh31
    Participant

    This new requirement that men wear only white shirts all the time is another “frum” innovation with which I can not keep up with.

    Over the past 25 years I have been protesting both left wing and right wing innovations.

    #669266

    ronrsr
    Member

    it can only be an improvement. By the way, they are all designer label ties, so you should read that thread before agreeing to receive any ties.

    #669267

    pookie
    Member

    common, is this what we are worried about! soon we’ll be complaining about the color of people’s ties women have thier styles and things they wear and we wear whatever color shirt we want

    #669268

    Jothar
    Member

    In Slabodka they adopted “conservative elegance” as the dress mode. This meant wearing whatever nice shirts and colored suits businessmen would wear. As the yeshivish element became entranced with Chassidus, suits became black and shirts became white. While a few yeshivos resist, this is the reality now. So there is no “one-size-fits-all” answer with colored shirts. Depends on your circle.

    #669269

    myshadovv
    Member

    truthsharer, you might want to check out this discussion here!!

    #669270

    sammygol
    Member

    Jothar, you hit the nail on the head. It is only because some people felt less frum than the Chasidim that they started to be black and white. I hope this won’t go on to shaved heads, for both genders, but the problem is a little deeper. It was when the learning level in Litvish yeshivos went somewhat down that they started comparing themselves to the Chasidim, because if you know that you aren’t that “frum and choshuv”, you attempt to at least look like you are. Having a self-deposited chip on the shoulder will only drag one further down, never up.

    #669271

    jphone
    Member

    If white shirts were copied from chassidim, why didnt we adopt the right over left button pattern to? Come to think of it, thats how womens shirts button.

    Im beginning to thing a nice turtle neck is the way to go.white of course.

    #669272

    Jothar
    Member

    Sammygol, I heard this from my rabbeim, so I can’t take credit for it. They pointed it out that it’s a way to feel frum without undertaking serious change (middos etc).

    #669273

    tamazaball
    Member

    tell me were it is written in the torah what color are clothing is supposed to be, all i know is that red for a women is not the best because it atractes men, but pink or purple shirts atracting women is ridiculous.but i do agree that men should wear quieter colors not to draw atention of themselves!

    #669275

    cantoresq
    Member

    I’ve heard it on good authority that G-d does not pay attention to the tefilois of those who defile His name by wearing colored shirts.

    #669276

    Ktzoys
    Member

    Tamazaball: But its what daas torah has decided as the right derech for bnei torah today

    #669277

    tamazaball
    Member

    ktzoys. i agree but not every jew is made to be a bnei torah these days, so what about everyone else out there?

    #669278

    Joseph
    Participant

    Maybe the non Bnei Torah can become Bnei Torah. 🙂

    #669279

    cherrybim
    Participant

    I have a nice photo of Rav Moshe TZ’L wearing a striped shirt. And Rav Ruderman wore a grey kapata and hat in warmer weather.

    #669280

    ronrsr
    Member

    men wearing colored shirts is no good. It can only lead to mixed dancing.

    #669281

    tamazaball
    Member

    joseph.maybe? and maybe the moshiach will come if every jew in the world keeps to shabboses in a row.:)

    #669282

    Ktzoys
    Member

    Joseph: we’re on the same page!

    #669283

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    I have that same photo, I actually heard that Rav Moshe ZTL’s children (R’ Reuven and R’ Dovid) used to wear PINK shirts

    #669284

    onlyemes
    Member

    Unfortunately , this thread is not a joke. It is however, a sad testament to the shallowness of thinking (sic) of certain people in the yeshiva world.

    #669285

    hud
    Member

    im a bit confused w/ the mixd dancing bit? connection??

    #669286

    koma
    Member

    “Where is the color of clothes written in the Torah?”

    ‘ksones bad kodesh yilbash” Vayikra 16:4, referred to in Talmud as ‘bigdei lavan’

    Misna Negaim:11:3 “skins and clothes of colors are not subject to tuma of ngaim”

    Orach Hayyim tav kuf nun tes/het: Mechaber and Mahril sham. Summarized: for a bris mila on TB the mohel the sandak and the father can wear shabbos clothes, JUST NOT THE WHITE ONES.

    And to tamazball, I am a big tough looking guy, and I look great and feel pretty in a quiet pink shirt. Some folks should come to EY and enjoy the sartorial variety among the non black/white wearers.

    #669287

    hud
    Member

    hey koma.how abt a pic?

    …and 4 the record i myself wear colored shrts and i think they add a lot of individualism…mayb it depends HOW u wear them

    #669288

    cantoresq
    Member

    The thing is this. When freshly laundered and pressed, white shirts looke great and make a great impression. But too many yeshiva leit don’t take the effort to achieve the effect. In which case the white shirt look. . .frumpy

    #669289

    tzippi
    Member

    To KTzoys: I’d welcome you but see the taaruvos thread.

    Who are the gedolim who have mandated this, and what exactly have they said, i.e. what are the age parameters, etc.?

    #669290

    cherrybim
    Participant

    “frumpy”, as in wrinkled and stained and one end coming up over the waste and the other end sticker out of the zipper?

    #669291

    truthsharer
    Member

    One other reason I have seen floating around is that black and white were the cheapest to produce, so poor people wore black and white.

    #669292

    koma
    Member

    Hey hud! this is a holy board, not chas v shalom —-book. And my pretty is for me and my spouse, some, ahem, tzinut and anonymity please. Indvidualism is an interesting topic, maybe a thread of its own. Like many ideas in Hashkofo, there are signs pointing in opposite directions. My reading of the tides sees the yeshiva world moving against individualism…

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