February 6, 2009 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1082153
problem is, that means i have to be a good host. not in a hosting mood.February 6, 2009 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1082154
well since the title was changed by mod##, i think moish wears a hat only when he’s in pajamas, as was being discussed afew pages back.February 9, 2009 3:29 am at 3:29 am #1082155teenMember
moish01: whats with you and the milkshakes did i miss something?February 9, 2009 6:22 am at 6:22 am #1082156anonymisssParticipant
teen, yup, seems like you did miss something. BIG! This might be the coffee room for people like you and me, but for our good friend moish, this is the “milkshake room.” That sounds weird, I don’t like it. Moish, I think you’re going to have to start drinking coffee. sorry.
~a~February 9, 2009 6:25 am at 6:25 am #1082157
teen: he lives on milkshakes!!!!February 9, 2009 7:40 am at 7:40 am #1082158teenMember
anonymiuss: i dont drink coffee….then i dont drink milshakes either lol
asdf: oh…i get it…sorta 😛February 9, 2009 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #1082159
moish- you have no idea how creepy this weekend was for me. Every step of the way there was something that happened to remind me of you. I went to a speech and there was a part that I wished I could have copied down- twas very inspiring and expressed what I want to say PERFECTLY. I listed to some music on motzei shabbos and every song had a theme that was so applicable and insightful- as if it was written with us in mind…. I read an article in the paper that gave me the chills- that’s how accurate it was…. on and on…
I don’t know if it’s because I’m more intuned or Hashem is sending me message after message that I just can’t ignore. Either way, Hashem won’t let me forget about you and I’m still davening for you….February 9, 2009 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #1082160
areivim, anyone ever tell you you’re crazy?February 9, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1082161
areivim: you’re starting to freak me out.$February 9, 2009 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1082162myshadowMember
start a thread-let’s cheer up moishFebruary 9, 2009 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1082163
moish- yeah, you… twice already! but you’re not the first, nor the last… 😉
qwerty- why? you wished I was thinkin o you? 😉
myshadow- be my guest
bye bye ppl- outta hereFebruary 9, 2009 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1082164
let’s not. i think moish doesn’t wanna be cheered up that badly.February 9, 2009 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #1082165
areivim, i thought i might have mentioned it once before.February 10, 2009 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1082167
areivim: yes, i do wish it was about me.$ 🙂
really though, i too care about moish, but i don’t dream about him.$
moish: if areivim’s doing this, he must really care about you.$February 10, 2009 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #1082169
moish- what’s gonna be????
the cast is a comin oooooffffffffffffff…………………………………………..February 10, 2009 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #1082170
by the way you didn’t see my question in the general shmooze, did you? maybe i should move it here (it’s more private…;))February 10, 2009 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #1082171
i read General Shmooz- don’t remember a question though. Please post here (mods please allow- thanks! 🙂
if not- tell me how long ago it was postedFebruary 10, 2009 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #1082172
fahget it- responded in general shmooz alreadyFebruary 10, 2009 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #1082173
here but i’m gonna add to it
is it better to know a halacha and then to go against it, or not to know it altogether? either way you’re gonna be doing the same thing.
i’m remembering a few points.
A) if you know someone won’t listen you’re not mechuyav to tell them. does that apply to yourself?
B) but on the other hand, that story with the cofeitz chaim with that guy who didn’t wanna buy his sefer because he said it’s impossible to not speak loshon hora. the CC answered him that even if he would just sigh after reading it, it’s worth it.February 10, 2009 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1082174SJSinNYCMember
if you know someone won’t listen you’re not mechuyav to tell them. does that apply to yourself?
If you know yourself, but don’t tell yourself, you are just LYING to yourself. How can you know but not know?February 10, 2009 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1082175
I’ll go with choice B.
It shows the desire to have the knowledge available for the time when you want to implement it, as opposed to never even wanting that opportunity to utilize the knowledge.February 11, 2009 12:55 am at 12:55 am #1082176
yeah but then it’s b’mezid – which is far worse than a shoggeg. so you’re basically setting yourself up.February 11, 2009 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1082177
sjs – contrary to popular belief, i don’t know everything. but i could find out if i asked or tried learning (not likely, but it’s possible)February 11, 2009 4:08 am at 4:08 am #1082178mw13Participant
moish, i’m pretty sure it’s better to know it, because as you said, you get schar for just feeling guilty.February 11, 2009 4:29 am at 4:29 am #1082179
I don’t think it’s a shogeig if you had the opportunity to learn the correct thing and yet decided against it.
It’s lke saying “I’d prefer not to learn Hilchos Shabbos so that I am not knowingly over an aveirah.” No go…
BTW I posted that CC story, can’t believe you (not you specifically, but rather anyone) remembered enough to be able to repeat it. 🙂February 11, 2009 5:06 am at 5:06 am #1082180
curious, but some things are technical. you needa learn them through. not like “can i turn on the light?” “no.”
mw13, that’s what the CC said in that scenario. but what about the other side?
and curious, don’t doubt my memory here… i wish it were weaker. you know what it’s like doing something wrong and in the middle you have all the mefarshim and halachos and punishments and what not running through your mind? you don’t wanna know. i can’t even enjoy it half the time. trust me, i wish i could forget some stuff.February 11, 2009 5:13 am at 5:13 am #1082181
hey curious, i don’t remember you posting that story. (jk!)
happens to be, i knew it from beforeFebruary 11, 2009 5:17 am at 5:17 am #1082182
moish: you know what it’s like doing something wrong and in the middle you have all the mefarshim and halachos and punishments and what not running through your mind? you don’t wanna know. i can’t even enjoy it half the time. trust me, i wish i could forget some stuff.
i had that too, it’s torturous!!! i’m not ganna get in details with my thing, put the memory is painful!!!February 11, 2009 5:18 am at 5:18 am #1082183
moish: curious, but some things are technical. you needa learn them through
Agreed. I am far from a perfect person. There is so so much that I need to improve. Be it mitzvos between me and G-d, or me and fellow man. Just thinking about where I can use improvement makes me dizzy. So I’ve decided to pick one thing that I’d like to make a real effort to improve. In essence I am putting a lot of other faults/weakneeses on the back burner, temporarily (hopefully). However, as long as I am making some sort of effort, I know I’m in the right direction.
If I would decide to now learn hilchos brachos, hilchos shabbos, methods to improve prayer, techniques to combat laziness, etc.. I’d never start anywhere and I’d accomplish nothing.
Pick one thing, the smaller and easier the better. Success in a small area gives you confidence to succeed at something tougher.
…Gosh, did I just sound like areivim??
BTW, I use this psychology when I’m too lazy to run. I tell myself, just do 1 mile. Then when I finish that I feel so good, I try another mile, and then another…February 11, 2009 5:21 am at 5:21 am #1082184
Guess what moish. I’ve learnt that English sefer 3x and each time I read the stories/anecdotes it’s like I’m hearing it for the first time again… Talk about short-term memory.February 11, 2009 5:24 am at 5:24 am #1082185
curious, is that your aspiration?
asdfghjkl, maybe you get it. maybe you don’t.
is this what you meant? YW Moderator-25February 11, 2009 5:33 am at 5:33 am #1082188
moish: i do get it completely!!! i wasn’t always the person i am today!!! it took a lot for me to get back on track!!!February 11, 2009 5:33 am at 5:33 am #1082189
is that your aspiration?
Which part are you referring to – sounding like Areivim?
If so, no, though I do admire Arevim’s talent in communicating so well. I would never be able to match him.
Regardless, I am the last person to give mussar, I think I was talking to myself mostly 😉 (Realize I stay away from most controversial threads?)February 11, 2009 5:41 am at 5:41 am #1082190
Curious: you & avairim might be a cr schidduch!!! hee hee!!!February 11, 2009 5:46 am at 5:46 am #1082191
gotcha! YW Moderator-25
asdfghjkl, that’s why i said “maybe”
curious, yeah i noticed.February 11, 2009 6:05 am at 6:05 am #1082192
thank, mod25February 11, 2009 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #1082193SJSinNYCMember
sjs – contrary to popular belief, i don’t know everything. but i could find out if i asked or tried learning (not likely, but it’s possible)
Well, if you are saying that you don’t ask to find out if its treif, thats different than knowing its treif and lying to yourself.
Me personally, I don’t ask for a psak for something I know I am not going to follow. Why? I don’t think its fair to take advantage of the system. So if I know I am going to do XYZ wrong if I am told its wrong, its not fair of me to find out if its right. If I would listen, I ask.
Is this right? Probably not. But I just don’t like to take advantage of the system.
February 11, 2009 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #1082194
oh so looks like we do the same thing!February 11, 2009 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #1082195
hey everyone as of friday morning i won’t be under construction anymore! you gonna make me a party?? (chanukas habayis or what?!)February 11, 2009 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1082196charlie brownMember
moish, we’ll make as many parties for you as neccesary if it’ll avoid us needing to add you to the “Come back to the CR” thread after Friday. You better stay here!February 11, 2009 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #1082197
hey don’t be too quick to offer too much… i’m gonna need a LOT of parties, you know…February 11, 2009 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1082198charlie brownMember
its well worth it, moish.February 11, 2009 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1082200
well, i’m not going cold turkey, if that’s what you meant. i’ll be around.
can’t wait to play football!February 11, 2009 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1082201myshadowMember
moish do us a favor and stay away from football for a lil!! We’re gona miss you though! Better stick around!!
Gota bounce bye!!February 11, 2009 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1082202
no no no no NO! i live for football – there’s no way i’m staying away! don’t worry, i’ll be fine.February 11, 2009 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1082203Belev EchadParticipant
hey moish, what happens when ur body’s not teenaged enough to play football? what’ll u live for then?February 11, 2009 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1082204
I’m really not that cruel… just had to say itFebruary 12, 2009 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1082205
moish – Don’t you have to go to PT after? Aren’t your muscles like mush now?February 12, 2009 3:10 am at 3:10 am #1082206
moish: lucky you, i wish mine was coming off on friday too.$February 12, 2009 3:52 am at 3:52 am #1082207
moish: wow excitin. that friday it’ll be off!!! i hope to still see ya around here buddy!!!
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