October 18, 2009 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #662870shniffMember
wowOctober 19, 2009 12:58 am at 12:58 am #662871
Do you see the message of the poem? Great!!October 19, 2009 1:28 am at 1:28 am #662872
Amazing poem for all to learn from
Hud and shaatra- how do you go on and say people who disagree with you, that’s its jealousy?? You don’t know me. Trust me. I try to look at people with an ayin tov. I am the last person to be jealous of anyone. If person has, good for them, but, the wealthy do have a VERY serious postion in life. Hashem did not make every one wealthy, in this world, He entrusted a few people to be the distributors and ensure, that they give to the rest. I am not saying the poor, should receive free handouts, but there are ways to make sure people will get that they could somehow work for it. In anycase, there is a very famous mashal, of a wealthy man who tells, his sons that, he wants them to come visit him, and to bring his whole family, spare no expense, because what ever you spend out to respect me, I will re-imburse, so the man goes out and purchases the finest clothing he can and outfits his family to the best clothes money can buy. Meanwhile, his brother and his family are very poor. This brother can’t even got money for food let alone, clothing. The poor brother comes with his family dressed in their rags to visit his father. Meanwhile the richer brother comes with his family impecablly dressed, the wife in the height of fashion, the children also elegantly clothed. He is waiting and finally meets with his father, and he gives him the bill for all the clothing he purchased. His father looks at the bill and says, I am sorry, I can not pay you back, and the man asks why not? and the father said. I said I would reimburse you for all the money that was spent in my honor, but you did not fulfill my wishes. And the son is what do you mean? We are all dressed respectfully, we are dressed in the finest clothing to honor you. The father tells his son, “you did not dress for my honor, you dressed for your honor, If you did it out of respect for me, then you would have made sure your brother and his family were also dressed decently, but you only thought of yourself, therefore I can not pay you back”
Hud, Bev, Ames, & Shaatra, you may think that people can spend what they want, you know what? you are right, just know that you have that free choice to spend how you like, just know who you have to answer too after 120 years. If you are rich, and you spend, just realize, that money may have gone to put bread on someones table, or went to purchase a coat for a child with no coat.October 19, 2009 3:10 am at 3:10 am #662873
mazal77 we are all learning a lot from this thread BH it was posted, so now when we shop we should be more concious of how to honor , spend and be happy with every thing we have. thank you.October 19, 2009 3:12 am at 3:12 am #662874mybatMember
Estherh what a beautiful and powerful message. Mazal what a nice mashal.
I feel that as religious, tzniut people we should try to improve in this area, so thank you. (including myself, its a very hard test)October 19, 2009 3:29 am at 3:29 am #662875tamazaballMember
tznius is very importantOctober 19, 2009 4:14 am at 4:14 am #662876
I am just saying and based on thought. I learned that Hashem the wealthy the means to distribute the money to the poor. Being that is the case and not everyone is rich and there are many people struggling out there, if those wealthy people didn’t spend on the extra neccessites in life from the money that Hashem gave to them to give to others, then don’t where would that money be coming from?October 19, 2009 4:25 am at 4:25 am #662877
Yes a person is instructed to give at least a certain amount to tzedekah. Even the poor person is obligated to give something. But when I see so many people struggling and the yeshivas are having trouble, people out of work. It just makes you wonder, if the rich people are misusing the funds Hashem gave them.October 19, 2009 5:27 am at 5:27 am #662878
Being wealthy is a very hard nisayon. As my Rabbi always says “it’s a test that everyone wants Hashem to give them” Did you ever wonder why it’s such a hard nisayon??October 19, 2009 10:23 am at 10:23 am #662879
that is true mazal77. and i agree w/ it completely. i felt that until now, this point that u jus said, this conversation was going nowhere bec it jus sndd like ppl venting 4 the wrng reasons…but yes u hav a good point and its def s/t 2 think abt. in fact ur saying pretty much wat bev said….mayb we shud strt s/ sort of project to bring this 2 ppl’s att…i think that ppl r jus not aware as much as they shud b..October 19, 2009 11:27 am at 11:27 am #662880
Translation of above for those who choose to read their posts in English:
That is true, mazal77, and I agree with it completely. I felt that until now, this point that you just said, this conversation was going nowhere because it just sounded like people venting for the wrong reasons. But yes, you have a good point and it’s definitely something to think about. In fact, you’re saying pretty much what bev said. Maybe we should start some sort of project to bring this to people’s attention. I think that people are just not aware as much as they should be.October 19, 2009 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #662881JosephParticipant
You are hereby appointed as the official English linguist of the CR. It is your mortal duty to issue brownie points to all those deserving.
<Great Seal of the CR affixed on the 19th Day of October, 2009>October 19, 2009 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #662883noitallmrParticipant
Hi all, I haven’t been around for some time and this is the first thread I clicked on because it simply caught my eye and wow- it feels like I haven’t even left!!!
Right here are my 2 cents (is that how you say it in your country????!!!!) on the matter-
People, this really happened and although it sounds like a joke- it’s definitely got truth to it. Yes I agree many designer brands DO make their products better quality than others but to spend another $60 for a tie or shirt or tee-shirt which hardly differs from quality??? This is a status symbol…it’s like proudly wearing a huge board round your neck- I’ve got money! Don’t get me wrong, I honestly don’t mind people doing that but that’s what it is and it’s definitely not a classic Jewish middah.
Yes I do have some designer clothes myself but mainly if I find that it’s on special offer because as I said some times they are better quality and to spend only $10 more is ok, that’s not called throwing money in the garbage- but to spend major money for something which is hardly superior- is a shod of yiddisher gelt (waste of Jewish money)!!!
But otherwise, it’s great to be back!October 19, 2009 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #662884
Thank you Joseph. I hereby accept the tremendous honor and hope to fulfill my post with dignity and aplomb.October 19, 2009 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #662886
What do you think ? Should a rebbe display his Mont Blanc pen to the students? Isn’t that giving a wrong message?October 19, 2009 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #662887
all animosity aside mazca, with these we can prob agree. i would think that the rules w/ rebbeim and rabbi’s or rosh yeshiva’s shud prob b a bit strnger then yr average person.October 19, 2009 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #662888
At the risk of usurping the moderator’s position, hud, please type in English.October 19, 2009 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #662889mybatMember
How old are the students?October 19, 2009 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #662890
sorry haifagirl, the next post
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