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  • #610131
    TheGoq
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    At all? if so why? if not why not?

    #968178
    Toi
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    nope

    #968179
    pixelate
    Member

    Personally, I have no connection or feelings for the Royal Family, but I think there are things and concepts a Jew can learn from. We can better relate to the significance of dynastic ancestry and posterity.

    The American way of all men are created equal, and the prevailing moral lewdness in society makes us so far-removed from appreciating the significance of ‘holy seed’.

    The Jewish people are called a ‘Kingdom of Priests’, and along this privilege comes the responsibility of being the ‘light unto the nation of the world’.

    This child will be born into English Royalty, but every Jewish child is born into the eternal royalty of the King of all kings.

    #968180
    akuperma
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    Americans have no royal family. That’s why Obama can get away with same insulting and obnoxious things, and people (many on this site) can say insulting and obnoxious things back at him.

    The British monarchy, at least as it exists today (and sort of exists in the commonwealth “realms”) is apolitical. It would be nice if there were someone in Washington who was apolitical (who could be the “adult in the room” when the politicians gather). Even if you ignore the biological connections to the British (almost everyone in Britian other than a recent immigrant is related to the royal family if you go back to its origins a millenia ago), it’s nice to have a family that are public-spirited celebrities that serve the country and the people, but aren’t tools of partisan bickering.

    Not to mention babies are inherently good, which is why Ha-Shem makes so many of them.

    #968181
    Torah613Torah
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    Yes, the last remnants of a world that was.

    I’m hoping for a boy, personally.

    #968182
    PBT
    Member

    The British Royal Family is definitely the subject of varying opinions as to whether we say the brocha for seeing a royal person. I certainly hope for the best for the baby and the entire royal family. That’s my point of view as a Jew.

    However, as to the tabloid coverage, these are publications that have absolutely no intellectual content, and with the exception of some technicalities are no better than pornography. At the very least, they get into discussions as to the personal lives of “celebrities” that are nobody’s business. So as to their coverage of the Royal Family and the expected baby, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever.

    #968183
    rebdoniel
    Member

    I’d hope the baby and its mother are safe. Other than that, I don’t care any more about this baby than I would any other baby.

    #968184
    charliehall
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    “the prevailing moral lewdness in society”

    British royalty, and in fact European royalty in general, have long been notorious for their promiscuity and hedonism. You can get away with that when the ordinary rules of society don’t apply to you. Abarvenal was 100% correct in his assessment of monarchy.

    That said, I wish the new baby all the best; may he be able to avoid harassment by the Paparazzi as well as public scandals.

    #968185
    younglady
    Member

    Yes i care,and hope its a girl.

    #968186
    WIY
    Member

    Im proud to say I knew nothing about this until this thread and hope to know nothing more about this.

    #968187
    oomis
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    I care, in the same way that I care about ANY woman having her first birth experience. Let her be healthy, have a healthy baby, and raise that child (hope it’s a girl, too), to be a GOOD person.

    Otherwise, no, not really interested just because she’s a princess. BIG DEAL… I am not interested in so-called celebrities of the secular world. I have no plans to follow the sure to follow insipid and boring press coverage.

    #968188
    SaysMe
    Member

    baby? What royal baby? 🙂

    #968189
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Nope

    FYI They changed the law in England and no matter which gender it is , It will be direct in line to be the Monarch . It used to be younger brothers had precidence over older sisters. Not anymore. If its a girl, She will be queen no matter how many susequent brothers she has

    #968190
    stefin
    Member

    zahavasdad: Actually that isn’t yet true. The proposed law only becomes effective once all British Commonwealth nations ratify it into law, something that has yet to occur. Otherwise what could happen is that the different Commonwealth nations could have different Monarchs.

    #968191

    I like babies. Babies are cute. But I have no particular attachment to the royal baby just because he/she is the royal baby.

    #968192
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Its actually a bigger issue in Japan, the Emperor there is a line for 1400 years. The son of the Emperor has 2 daughters and no male heir

    #968193
    younglady
    Member

    mazel tov kate gave birth to a boy!!!!!

    #968194
    WolfishMusings
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    Its actually a bigger issue in Japan, the Emperor there is a line for 1400 years. The son of the Emperor has 2 daughters and no male heir

    That’s not technically correct. The Emperor’s *first* son has two daughters. His second son, however, has two daughters and a son.

    For a long time, succession was a looming problem in Japan, as no males were born into the royal family in over 40 years.For a time, they were considering changing the rules. However, that became moot when Prince Akishino (the Emperor’s second son) had a baby boy (Hisahito) in 2006.

    Eventually, the throne will go from Akihito (the current Emperor) to his first son (Nurahito) and then to his second son and then his grandson.

    The Wolf

    #968195
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    The Emperor’s *first* son has two daughters.

    Actually, I need to correct myself here. Prince Naruhito only has one daughter. My apologies.

    The Wolf

    #968196
    stefin
    Member

    If Nurahito has a son in the future that new son will become Emperor rather than Akishino.

    #968197

    omg mazel tov! who’ll be the mohel?

    jk

    #968198
    JustHavingFun
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    I am not a British Royal… although I play one on TV.

    #968199
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    If Nurahito has a son in the future that new son will become Emperor rather than Akishino.

    That is absolutely correct. However, considering the fact that Princess Masako (Nurahito’s wife) is now 49 years old, the odds are against the birth of a son (or anyone else).

    The Wolf

    #968200
    Mammele
    Participant

    Any opinions on the “Jewishness” of the royal baby? It seems like a load of conspiracies to me from unreliable sources, and yet there has to be some truth within all the garbage. Sad how far back assimilation dates. I’d love to hear from any genealogists out here.

    #968201

    So who wants to fly out for the shalom zachor? 😛

    #968202
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Mammale, I have heard those rumors as well though I have no idea how factual they are.

    If the Royal Baby is in fact Jewish then I care for him as I care for any other Jew, even if his father is not a Jew. I would hope that he has a Kosher bris b’kzmano.

    #968203
    oomis
    Participant

    I have not heard a rumor about Jewishness, but if so, then MAZEL TOV, sheyigdal (eventually) l’Torah Chuppah, umaasim tovim, and if not, then congratulations to the new parents, may they raise a good child to be a good adult.

    #968204
    yichusdik
    Participant

    To answer the genealogy question – There is considerable evidence that there was a Jewish principality in 9th century Languedoc centered on Narbonne. Contemporary chroniclers have written about it and our own sources, like Binyomin of Tudela writing a few hundred years later describes Narbonne as where the “zera hamalchus” resides when he meets the community’s leaders.

    The family of the leaders of this principality, descended from someone named Machir of Narbonne, might coincide with a branch of the family of the Resh Galuta in Bavel being exiled in favour of another branch (see Otzar Hagedolim on the R’G Natronai II) and traveling from Bavel to this part of the Jewish world, as is described in some sources (For this you will have to read the very hard to find “A Jewish Principality in Feudal France” by Columbia U professor Arthur Zuckerman).

    Eventually some of the descendants of these leaders assimilated, particularly the descendants of Guillaume De Gellone, of the family of Machir, though he himself apparently did not. These descendants married into several royal families of Europe, including the Boullion family who became “Kings of Jerusalem” during the Masaei Hatzlav, who eventually became the house of Anjou (Think Richard I), and whose descendants are all over Europe today including the British royal family.

    From our Jewish perspective, there may be some further support for some of this narrative, including more snippets and fragments from Jewish travelers and from Rabbinic genealogies, and the family of Rav Shmuel Ben Natronai, the Rishon from whom the Margoliyos family ultimately descended, also came from this area of Languedoc, and the name Natronai is clearly from Bavel and exceedingly rare among Ashkenazi Jews. (I have only found it twice among Rishonim, and this is one of them)

    #968205
    yehudayona
    Participant

    Jfem, I’d go to the shalom zachor except being British, they’ll serve warm beer.

    #968206
    Mammele
    Participant

    Is there some proof to this or did the royals (formerly just rich guys) simply want to prove royalty so they latched on to Beis Dovid, as some have postulated?

    #968207
    yichusdik
    Participant

    Pretty clear that British and other European royalty is descended from the Angevins. Less clear their descent from Guillaume de Gellone, but probable.

    On the other side, ancestries of the rashei galuta are also well known.

    So the challenging part is the connection between the resh galuta natronai and the house of Machir/Gellone. There is circumstantial and some documentary evidence, as I described above, but it isn’t 100%.

    On that note, neither is our tradition of Rashi’s family being descended from Dovid Hamelech. Even accepting the line to R’ Yochanan Hasandlar, the 30 generations from Hillel Hazaken to Shefatyah (I think) are undocumented. We have our mesorah, but as far as documentation goes, no.

    #968208
    Geordie613
    Participant

    It is definitely a momentous occasion in the life of the British nation. Also, possibly for citizens of the realms of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. The Monarchy is a stabilising influence on political and social life in Britain.

    There was talk that Mrs Middleton, who’s maiden name is Goldsmith may have had Jewish roots. However, this has been disproven.

    We now have 3 living direct heirs to the Throne for the first time since Queen Victoria’s time. I’m sure there will be a slight addition to ‘Hanosein Tshua’ this Shabbos.

    May the Malchus shel Chesed continue to be benevolent to the yieden, until the time when we enter Malcus shel melech haMoshiach.

    #968209
    yk91
    Member

    I personally feel that the royal baby is very special.

    This should be an emotional time for all people living within the UK or the commonwealth.

    He may be King one day and we should show the whole family a lot of respect and gratitude for helping lead the country with such passion and patriotism.

    Klal Yisroel has a lot to be grateful for.

    Kol Tuv.

    Only Simchas.

    #968210
    notasheep
    Member

    People who do not live in a monarchy cannot understand the patriotism that comes with it. This baby will be king one day. Of course I care.

    #968211
    lovebeingjewish
    Participant

    ABSOLUTELY NOT

    #968212
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    Ive seen so much stuff about thid royal baby and havent bothered to read anything so until now i assumed he was jewish since all jews seem to have artucles or sales based on his birth and ingeretance, like some place is having free teabags or something, maybe he is from england???? I really have no idea. But i think we should spend time thinking about other things than goyishe princes…

    #968213
    notasheep
    Member

    Shopping613: Like I said… you cannot possibly understand, since you have no concept of a monarchy. Forget the fact that he is not Jewish and there is all the media hype. This baby will one day be a king.

    #968215
    moishyk
    Member

    what did they name him??? i’m waiting for a name!!!!

    #968216
    Burnt Steak
    Participant

    Since Kanye named his kid North. Royal baby will be named South or East.

    #968217
    gefen
    Participant

    moishyk – ya gotta wait for the bris!

    #968218
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    They are waiting for the 8th day to name him because after all – he is a Brit!

    #968219
    Zushy
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    I’m sure that all the Brits here care. i definitely do. I drank lechayim to celebrate the birth = on cold wine BTW

    #968221
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    I’m hoping for a boy, personally.

    I got my wish! I should have placed a bet. Oh well.

    #968222
    moi aussi
    Member

    The little prince has been named George, Alexander, Louis.

    #968223
    WIY
    Member

    If one isn’t English why would one even remotely care about this? I couldn’t care less about them. Why should any of us give a ki by zeh?

    #968224
    oomis
    Participant

    They are waiting for the 8th day to name him because after all – he is a Brit!”

    GOOD ONE!

    #968225
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    If one isn’t English why would one even remotely care about this? I couldn’t care less about them. Why should any of us give a ki by zeh?

    Because we’re human beings, with varying interests. Yes, I’m interested in the British Royal family. I’m also interested in planetary astronomy, photography, baseball, statistics, history, writing and other things as well.

    Yes, you could rightly ask me “Why do you care about photography if you’re not a professional photographer? I couldn’t care less about it.” But you know what? I don’t have to conform to *your* likes and interests. I have my own, thank you very much, and I’m not required to answer to you as to what they are.

    The Wolf

    #968226
    Toi
    Participant

    wolf- can we shmooze photography? i started a thread awhile ago on it but it died.

    #968227
    WIY
    Member

    WolfishMusings

    Why should anyone care about this baby more than any other baby? Besides, the mother is a commoner. You can be into it but its mamish shtus vehevel following this couple is no different than following any of the other non Jewish celebrities. They are just celebrities nothing more. Do you read EW too? At least the queen is someone respectable.

    #968228
    notasheep
    Member

    WIY – like I said before, it’s not cause they may be celebrities, it’s because this baby will be King on day and that’s why everyone make such a fuss over him. In the same way that the parents’ wedding was hyped up because Prince William is the future King. For your information, there was no fuss made over any of his cousins’ weddings, nor when they had children, because they are not in direct line to the throne.

    To be honest, I am getting a little tired of repeating myself because people obviously don’t realise the significance of this event.

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