July 22, 2013 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #610131TheGoqParticipant
At all? if so why? if not why not?July 22, 2013 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #968178ToiParticipant
nopeJuly 22, 2013 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm #968179pixelateMember
Personally, I have no connection or feelings for the Royal Family, but I think there are things and concepts a Jew can learn from. We can better relate to the significance of dynastic ancestry and posterity.
The American way of all men are created equal, and the prevailing moral lewdness in society makes us so far-removed from appreciating the significance of ‘holy seed’.
The Jewish people are called a ‘Kingdom of Priests’, and along this privilege comes the responsibility of being the ‘light unto the nation of the world’.
This child will be born into English Royalty, but every Jewish child is born into the eternal royalty of the King of all kings.July 22, 2013 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #968180akupermaParticipant
Americans have no royal family. That’s why Obama can get away with same insulting and obnoxious things, and people (many on this site) can say insulting and obnoxious things back at him.
The British monarchy, at least as it exists today (and sort of exists in the commonwealth “realms”) is apolitical. It would be nice if there were someone in Washington who was apolitical (who could be the “adult in the room” when the politicians gather). Even if you ignore the biological connections to the British (almost everyone in Britian other than a recent immigrant is related to the royal family if you go back to its origins a millenia ago), it’s nice to have a family that are public-spirited celebrities that serve the country and the people, but aren’t tools of partisan bickering.
Not to mention babies are inherently good, which is why Ha-Shem makes so many of them.July 22, 2013 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #968181Torah613TorahParticipant
Yes, the last remnants of a world that was.
I’m hoping for a boy, personally.July 22, 2013 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #968182PBTMember
The British Royal Family is definitely the subject of varying opinions as to whether we say the brocha for seeing a royal person. I certainly hope for the best for the baby and the entire royal family. That’s my point of view as a Jew.
However, as to the tabloid coverage, these are publications that have absolutely no intellectual content, and with the exception of some technicalities are no better than pornography. At the very least, they get into discussions as to the personal lives of “celebrities” that are nobody’s business. So as to their coverage of the Royal Family and the expected baby, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever.July 22, 2013 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #968183rebdonielMember
I’d hope the baby and its mother are safe. Other than that, I don’t care any more about this baby than I would any other baby.July 22, 2013 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #968184charliehallParticipant
“the prevailing moral lewdness in society”
British royalty, and in fact European royalty in general, have long been notorious for their promiscuity and hedonism. You can get away with that when the ordinary rules of society don’t apply to you. Abarvenal was 100% correct in his assessment of monarchy.
That said, I wish the new baby all the best; may he be able to avoid harassment by the Paparazzi as well as public scandals.July 22, 2013 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #968185youngladyMember
Yes i care,and hope its a girl.July 22, 2013 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #968186
Im proud to say I knew nothing about this until this thread and hope to know nothing more about this.July 22, 2013 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #968187
I care, in the same way that I care about ANY woman having her first birth experience. Let her be healthy, have a healthy baby, and raise that child (hope it’s a girl, too), to be a GOOD person.
Otherwise, no, not really interested just because she’s a princess. BIG DEAL… I am not interested in so-called celebrities of the secular world. I have no plans to follow the sure to follow insipid and boring press coverage.July 22, 2013 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #968188SaysMeMember
baby? What royal baby? 🙂July 22, 2013 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #968189zahavasdadParticipant
FYI They changed the law in England and no matter which gender it is , It will be direct in line to be the Monarch . It used to be younger brothers had precidence over older sisters. Not anymore. If its a girl, She will be queen no matter how many susequent brothers she hasJuly 22, 2013 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #968190stefinMember
zahavasdad: Actually that isn’t yet true. The proposed law only becomes effective once all British Commonwealth nations ratify it into law, something that has yet to occur. Otherwise what could happen is that the different Commonwealth nations could have different Monarchs.July 22, 2013 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #968191jewishfeminist02Member
I like babies. Babies are cute. But I have no particular attachment to the royal baby just because he/she is the royal baby.July 22, 2013 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #968192zahavasdadParticipant
Its actually a bigger issue in Japan, the Emperor there is a line for 1400 years. The son of the Emperor has 2 daughters and no male heirJuly 22, 2013 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #968193youngladyMember
mazel tov kate gave birth to a boy!!!!!July 22, 2013 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #968194
Its actually a bigger issue in Japan, the Emperor there is a line for 1400 years. The son of the Emperor has 2 daughters and no male heir
That’s not technically correct. The Emperor’s *first* son has two daughters. His second son, however, has two daughters and a son.
For a long time, succession was a looming problem in Japan, as no males were born into the royal family in over 40 years.For a time, they were considering changing the rules. However, that became moot when Prince Akishino (the Emperor’s second son) had a baby boy (Hisahito) in 2006.
Eventually, the throne will go from Akihito (the current Emperor) to his first son (Nurahito) and then to his second son and then his grandson.
The WolfJuly 22, 2013 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #968195
The Emperor’s *first* son has two daughters.
Actually, I need to correct myself here. Prince Naruhito only has one daughter. My apologies.
The WolfJuly 22, 2013 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #968196stefinMember
If Nurahito has a son in the future that new son will become Emperor rather than Akishino.July 22, 2013 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #968197proudcanadianMember
omg mazel tov! who’ll be the mohel?
jkJuly 22, 2013 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #968198JustHavingFunParticipant
I am not a British Royal… although I play one on TV.July 22, 2013 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #968199
If Nurahito has a son in the future that new son will become Emperor rather than Akishino.
That is absolutely correct. However, considering the fact that Princess Masako (Nurahito’s wife) is now 49 years old, the odds are against the birth of a son (or anyone else).
The WolfJuly 23, 2013 1:26 am at 1:26 am #968200MammeleParticipant
Any opinions on the “Jewishness” of the royal baby? It seems like a load of conspiracies to me from unreliable sources, and yet there has to be some truth within all the garbage. Sad how far back assimilation dates. I’d love to hear from any genealogists out here.July 23, 2013 5:26 am at 5:26 am #968201jewishfeminist02Member
So who wants to fly out for the shalom zachor? 😛July 23, 2013 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm #968202YW Moderator-42Moderator
Mammale, I have heard those rumors as well though I have no idea how factual they are.
If the Royal Baby is in fact Jewish then I care for him as I care for any other Jew, even if his father is not a Jew. I would hope that he has a Kosher bris b’kzmano.July 23, 2013 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #968203
I have not heard a rumor about Jewishness, but if so, then MAZEL TOV, sheyigdal (eventually) l’Torah Chuppah, umaasim tovim, and if not, then congratulations to the new parents, may they raise a good child to be a good adult.July 23, 2013 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #968204yichusdikParticipant
To answer the genealogy question – There is considerable evidence that there was a Jewish principality in 9th century Languedoc centered on Narbonne. Contemporary chroniclers have written about it and our own sources, like Binyomin of Tudela writing a few hundred years later describes Narbonne as where the “zera hamalchus” resides when he meets the community’s leaders.
The family of the leaders of this principality, descended from someone named Machir of Narbonne, might coincide with a branch of the family of the Resh Galuta in Bavel being exiled in favour of another branch (see Otzar Hagedolim on the R’G Natronai II) and traveling from Bavel to this part of the Jewish world, as is described in some sources (For this you will have to read the very hard to find “A Jewish Principality in Feudal France” by Columbia U professor Arthur Zuckerman).
Eventually some of the descendants of these leaders assimilated, particularly the descendants of Guillaume De Gellone, of the family of Machir, though he himself apparently did not. These descendants married into several royal families of Europe, including the Boullion family who became “Kings of Jerusalem” during the Masaei Hatzlav, who eventually became the house of Anjou (Think Richard I), and whose descendants are all over Europe today including the British royal family.
From our Jewish perspective, there may be some further support for some of this narrative, including more snippets and fragments from Jewish travelers and from Rabbinic genealogies, and the family of Rav Shmuel Ben Natronai, the Rishon from whom the Margoliyos family ultimately descended, also came from this area of Languedoc, and the name Natronai is clearly from Bavel and exceedingly rare among Ashkenazi Jews. (I have only found it twice among Rishonim, and this is one of them)July 23, 2013 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #968205yehudayonaParticipant
Jfem, I’d go to the shalom zachor except being British, they’ll serve warm beer.July 23, 2013 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #968206MammeleParticipant
Is there some proof to this or did the royals (formerly just rich guys) simply want to prove royalty so they latched on to Beis Dovid, as some have postulated?July 23, 2013 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #968207yichusdikParticipant
Pretty clear that British and other European royalty is descended from the Angevins. Less clear their descent from Guillaume de Gellone, but probable.
On the other side, ancestries of the rashei galuta are also well known.
So the challenging part is the connection between the resh galuta natronai and the house of Machir/Gellone. There is circumstantial and some documentary evidence, as I described above, but it isn’t 100%.
On that note, neither is our tradition of Rashi’s family being descended from Dovid Hamelech. Even accepting the line to R’ Yochanan Hasandlar, the 30 generations from Hillel Hazaken to Shefatyah (I think) are undocumented. We have our mesorah, but as far as documentation goes, no.July 23, 2013 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #968208Geordie613Participant
It is definitely a momentous occasion in the life of the British nation. Also, possibly for citizens of the realms of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. The Monarchy is a stabilising influence on political and social life in Britain.
There was talk that Mrs Middleton, who’s maiden name is Goldsmith may have had Jewish roots. However, this has been disproven.
We now have 3 living direct heirs to the Throne for the first time since Queen Victoria’s time. I’m sure there will be a slight addition to ‘Hanosein Tshua’ this Shabbos.
May the Malchus shel Chesed continue to be benevolent to the yieden, until the time when we enter Malcus shel melech haMoshiach.July 23, 2013 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #968209yk91Member
I personally feel that the royal baby is very special.
This should be an emotional time for all people living within the UK or the commonwealth.
He may be King one day and we should show the whole family a lot of respect and gratitude for helping lead the country with such passion and patriotism.
Klal Yisroel has a lot to be grateful for.
Only Simchas.July 23, 2013 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #968210
People who do not live in a monarchy cannot understand the patriotism that comes with it. This baby will be king one day. Of course I care.July 23, 2013 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #968211lovebeingjewishParticipant
ABSOLUTELY NOTJuly 23, 2013 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #968212Shopping613 🌠Participant
Ive seen so much stuff about thid royal baby and havent bothered to read anything so until now i assumed he was jewish since all jews seem to have artucles or sales based on his birth and ingeretance, like some place is having free teabags or something, maybe he is from england???? I really have no idea. But i think we should spend time thinking about other things than goyishe princes…July 23, 2013 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #968213
Shopping613: Like I said… you cannot possibly understand, since you have no concept of a monarchy. Forget the fact that he is not Jewish and there is all the media hype. This baby will one day be a king.July 24, 2013 2:09 am at 2:09 am #968215moishykMember
what did they name him??? i’m waiting for a name!!!!July 24, 2013 2:28 am at 2:28 am #968216Burnt SteakParticipant
Since Kanye named his kid North. Royal baby will be named South or East.July 24, 2013 3:08 am at 3:08 am #968217gefenParticipant
moishyk – ya gotta wait for the bris!July 24, 2013 7:59 am at 7:59 am #968218YW Moderator-42Moderator
They are waiting for the 8th day to name him because after all – he is a Brit!July 24, 2013 9:39 am at 9:39 am #968219ZushyParticipant
I’m sure that all the Brits here care. i definitely do. I drank lechayim to celebrate the birth = on cold wine BTWJuly 24, 2013 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #968221Torah613TorahParticipant
I’m hoping for a boy, personally.
I got my wish! I should have placed a bet. Oh well.July 24, 2013 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #968222moi aussiMember
The little prince has been named George, Alexander, Louis.July 24, 2013 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #968223
If one isn’t English why would one even remotely care about this? I couldn’t care less about them. Why should any of us give a ki by zeh?July 24, 2013 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #968224
They are waiting for the 8th day to name him because after all – he is a Brit!”
GOOD ONE!July 24, 2013 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #968225
If one isn’t English why would one even remotely care about this? I couldn’t care less about them. Why should any of us give a ki by zeh?
Because we’re human beings, with varying interests. Yes, I’m interested in the British Royal family. I’m also interested in planetary astronomy, photography, baseball, statistics, history, writing and other things as well.
Yes, you could rightly ask me “Why do you care about photography if you’re not a professional photographer? I couldn’t care less about it.” But you know what? I don’t have to conform to *your* likes and interests. I have my own, thank you very much, and I’m not required to answer to you as to what they are.
The WolfJuly 24, 2013 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #968226ToiParticipant
wolf- can we shmooze photography? i started a thread awhile ago on it but it died.July 24, 2013 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #968227
Why should anyone care about this baby more than any other baby? Besides, the mother is a commoner. You can be into it but its mamish shtus vehevel following this couple is no different than following any of the other non Jewish celebrities. They are just celebrities nothing more. Do you read EW too? At least the queen is someone respectable.July 25, 2013 8:15 am at 8:15 am #968228
WIY – like I said before, it’s not cause they may be celebrities, it’s because this baby will be King on day and that’s why everyone make such a fuss over him. In the same way that the parents’ wedding was hyped up because Prince William is the future King. For your information, there was no fuss made over any of his cousins’ weddings, nor when they had children, because they are not in direct line to the throne.
To be honest, I am getting a little tired of repeating myself because people obviously don’t realise the significance of this event.
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