December 22, 2010 4:56 am at 4:56 am #722514
dear Health: there is broadcast TV these days, we have it. Last year everyone with an analogue TV set had to buy a digital TV converter so they could receive digital signals. They did stop broadcasting analogue TV last year and now use that portion of the spectrum for other communications.December 22, 2010 4:58 am at 4:58 am #722515
<<<You need to pay specifically for pornographic services on TV, but you can get a multitude of free stuff on the internet>>>
all the porno sites cooperate with the filter and rating services. They don’t want your children seeing their site any more than you do.
Why? Because if angry, outraged parents go to congress and demand that the internet be cleaned up, their livelihood will be affected.
Good filtering protects them from angry parents!!!December 22, 2010 5:11 am at 5:11 am #722516
TMB- please explain this nonsense to me:
You allow yourself to sit on a filtered internet, but others may not sit on filtered TV(where they filter exactly what they see and what they won’t).
Such bluff.December 22, 2010 5:40 am at 5:40 am #722517
What “filtered TV”? No such thing – that will filter out all gun violence, cursing, untznius women, etc? THERE IS NO SUCH THING.December 22, 2010 6:03 am at 6:03 am #722518
You can’t get by a commercial even on something like a “nature channel” without multiple images of pritzus!December 22, 2010 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #722519SJSinNYCMember
I have basic cable (I get it for sports and cooking shows). But in order to get pornographic channels, you have to pay for it. In all my time of TV surfing, I have NEVER come across pornography on TV. Those channels are “premium” channels and you have to specifically pay for them.
Unless someone knows about channels I don’t?December 22, 2010 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #722520
“You can’t get by a commercial even on something like a “nature channel” without multiple images of pritzus!”
yes tmb and the animals are naked tooDecember 22, 2010 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #722521
yes tmb and the animals are naked too
You may laugh…
When my kids were younger, we took them to the zoo quite often (my oldest has always had a fascination with animals (to the extent that he’s now looking into biology/zoology programs in colleges). When relating this to people, one person actually said that I was exposing my children to immorality BECAUSE THE ANIMALS WERE NAKED.
The WolfDecember 22, 2010 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #722522
TMB, where is the “gun violence, cursing, untznius women” on the Traffic and Weather Channel?December 22, 2010 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #722523mikehall12382Member
was exposing my children to immorality BECAUSE THE ANIMALS WERE NAKED….CLASSIC!!!!December 22, 2010 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #722524
That’s the reason why my puppy always wear a little knit sweater.December 22, 2010 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #722525
thank you wolf that was a hootDecember 22, 2010 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #722526
thank you wolf that was a hoot
You’re welcome. However, I would have thought it would be a howl. 🙂
The WolfDecember 22, 2010 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #722527
Hmmmmmmmmmmm SOMEONE knows too much about TV, or he just thinks he knows too much about tV, which is it?December 22, 2010 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #722528
There is nothing wrong with naked animals. There is something wrong with half-naked humans.
When you’re children start acting violently and immorally, don’t cry that you never taught them any of that. The TV did.December 22, 2010 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #722529Aishes ChayilParticipant
TMB, you seem to know quite a bit about what commercials have to offer…
Ther is a expression i yiddish ‘oif der ganiv brent dus hittel’December 22, 2010 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #722530
You never heard of a baal teshuva?
EDITEDDecember 22, 2010 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #722531
There is nothing wrong with naked animals.
I know that. But apparently not everyone does.
The WolfDecember 22, 2010 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #722535
Please elucidate to the world how you have a TV with ONLY access to the Traffic and Weather Channel? And does the Traffic and Weather Channel have ADVERTISEMENTS? Do the ads have women in short-sleeve shirts (or far far worse)? Don’t excuse it that you see far worse in the street, as that is no excuse to see more of it. Especially inside the sanctuary of YOUR HOME.December 22, 2010 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #722536Aishes ChayilParticipant
Yes, I did!
If thats the case, I applaud you.
However washing the rest of us down because we are not so opposed
to the idea doesnt make the teshuva better.
EDITEDDecember 22, 2010 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #722537
Oh, and how are the “weather-girls” dressed while reading the weather?
(You didn’t think that was coincidental, did you? Nope, its meant so you should keep watching. Same reason the car manufacturers use prusta girls next to the ads with their cars.)December 22, 2010 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #722540mikehall12382Member
what is right for you may not be right for someone else…December 22, 2010 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #722541
TMB, I didn’t say I have TV at all, but just for your edification, please note the following:
1. Cable boxes are equipped with programmable “lockouts” whereby any channel may be blocked from service.
2. Metro Traffic and Weather, Channel 61 on Cablevision, has no commercials. The sole advertising is a small ad in the lower right hand corner such as a Ford logo with the name of a dealer.
3. Metro Traffic and Weather also has no personnel visible on the screen. The only human “contact” there is provided by off screen-voices which say such “pritzus” statements such as “Sixty minute inbound wait at the Lincoln Tunnel” and “Wind chill makes it feel like 20 degrees.”
Oy, what will we do?!December 22, 2010 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #722542whatrutalkingabtMember
Trying my best- you are not talking so nice. Dont look down on people. Its not a good trait.
As far as a TV and internet being the same, all of you are right that you can see the same things. The difference is that a TV is more of a statement that you want to watch something entertainment. So someone who has a TV MAY have a different view on life than someone who doesnt, even if that person has internet.December 22, 2010 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #722543
Usually the weather girls are dressed in suits as are the weather men!December 22, 2010 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #722544
If you find me one cable subscriber in NYC — a city of 8,000,000 — who subscribes to cable and locks out every channel other than Metro Traffic and Weather, get back to me and we’ll talk.December 22, 2010 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #722545popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I never saw a fat old woman reading the weather on TV.
Talk about sending a picture with your resume.December 22, 2010 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #722546CharlieSmallMember
Most weathermen/women are hired for one reason and that reason isn’t to tell you the 5 day forecast. According to our standards most of these women would not come close to meeting our tznius standards.December 22, 2010 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #722547oomisParticipant
“When you’re children start acting violently and immorally”
I will not address the grammatical/spelling error in your sentence. My children grew up watching tv, and none of them has turned out either violent or immoral. I think that many of us tend to make rather sweeping statements when trying to make a point, often at the expense of the limits of exaggeration. Points are made far better when there is no hysterical hyperbole attached. For example, there is a clear and direct correlation between excessive TV watching and obesity in those children who are getting little exercise, due to their couch potato habits. There is a dumbing down of our culture. Children read less. These are real concerns.
OTOH, our kids are more well-informed about the world around them. They can watch some really excellent programming, they can learn to read at an earlier age (my son was reading at age 3, when Sesame Street and the Electric Company made it all click into place), and they can be exposed to GOOD things which they might otherwise not see, such as plays, classical music, historical novels, etc.)
Everything in life has the potential to be good or bad, even drinking water, if done to excess. All things in moderation, can prove to be beneficial. You don’t want a TV? Don’t have one. But there is no reason to disparage those who use their tvs in a judicious and positive way, to enhance their enjoyment of the world around them. And if you watch movies on the computer, you are “watching TV,” whether you are willing to admit it to yourself or not.December 22, 2010 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #722548
“But there is no reason to disparage those who use their tvs in a judicious and positive way, to enhance their enjoyment of the world around them.”
The Gedolim — across the board — have been disparaging TV ownership (the principle not the people in violation necessarily) and viewing for many decades now.December 22, 2010 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #722549
TMB- that’s why we have Gedolim. But that’s not your job.December 22, 2010 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #722550
what are we in violation of?December 23, 2010 1:53 am at 1:53 am #722551HealthParticipant
SJSinNYC -You can get movies on cable TV without having premium. There are plenty of bad movies, like R and NR-17. You can accidently flip to something like this. You gotta do this on purpose on the net.December 23, 2010 2:02 am at 2:02 am #722552
TheGoq: Television causes a loss of Olam Haboa based on the Mishna in Sanhedrin 10:1 that says a person loses his Olam Haboa by reading the wrong books since it corrupts his mind. The television is many times worse than the seforim chitzonim mentioned.December 23, 2010 2:08 am at 2:08 am #722553
You still have freedom of choice on both media sources.December 23, 2010 3:18 am at 3:18 am #722554ShintavMember
The real question is why you would pay the exorbitant bill for cable when you can bit torrent anything you want for freeDecember 23, 2010 4:15 am at 4:15 am #722555
Even PG and PG-13 are horrible and not for a Jewish home. It is called “parental guidance” for a reason; and not a good reason.December 23, 2010 4:18 am at 4:18 am #722556
TMB, I see you are stuck. Unfortunately for you, you have been cornered. There is nothing halachically impermissible with watching the Traffic and Weather Channel. You so much as admit that because you resort to the intellectually dishonest claim that you don’t think anyone would watch only that channel.
I am sure that without a problem, we can find other channels that even an individual with a rather “tzudrayt” view of Judaism would find acceptable.
Again, this reflects on everything else you post here.
CSPAN, anyone?December 23, 2010 4:37 am at 4:37 am #722557
this discussion reminds me of a hoax organizations in the late 50s and 60s – The Society for Indecency to Naked Animals. Buck Henry used to play the head of the society and would go on TV talk shows advocating the clothing of animals for the sake of decency. Some of their slogans included: “Decency today means morality tomorrow” and “A nude horse is a rude horse.” “Let’s clothe every pet and animal / whether dog, cat horse or cow!”
“So clothe all your pets and join the march / for worldwide Decency!”
Sorry for the tangent, I couldn’t resist the chuckle I got from the memory.December 23, 2010 4:40 am at 4:40 am #722558Midwest2Participant
TMB – You don’t have a TV. How do you know what the ladies on the Weather Channel are wearing?December 23, 2010 4:51 am at 4:51 am #722559bjjkidParticipant
chos v’shalom!December 23, 2010 5:29 am at 5:29 am #722560
Midwest – see about 20 posts above.December 26, 2010 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #722561
A Jew can own a television set and watch only acceptable programs in the same way that a Jew can own a computer with an internet connection and only look at acceptable websites.December 26, 2010 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #722562CedarhurstMember
You can filter the internet from the network or software. There is no filter for the tv. Also the ads are very bad on tv even on so called clean shows. And the female hosts on the shows arent dressed tznius.December 27, 2010 1:33 am at 1:33 am #722563frumladygitMember
What seems peculiar to me is the opening statement made by the OP regarding why the need for this questionnaire “…. so we know who we are speaking to” meaning in the coffeeroom.
First of all, why didn’t he open with “who has looked at the forbidden on the internet”. Obviously if someone is in the coffeeroom then they are online. If someone is onlinethen they possibly have access to more discreet and horrible things than a TV has to offer.
Why didn’t he ask “who has internet in the home”.
I just think its very naive to think one can get to “know ” who he is communicating with in a yeshivish environment forum such as this one, by asking “who owns a tv”.
He could have asked who owns a dog?
This could also give a picture or feeling to who is not “as frum as thou”. AS most charedim do not have animals in the house.December 27, 2010 2:52 am at 2:52 am #722564oomisParticipant
You can filter the internet from the network or software. There is no filter for the tv. Also the ads are very bad on tv even on so called clean shows. And the female hosts on the shows arent dressed tznius. “
Technically, you are incorrect. There is a filter and the channels that you find objectionable can be deleted from the TV. People do that all the time, so their kids don’t inadvertently change the channel to something they would not deem appropriate for their kids.December 27, 2010 4:28 am at 4:28 am #722565CedarhurstMember
The ads even on the cartoon channels have not tzniusdik women. And the hosts are no better on something even like the food channel.December 27, 2010 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #722566SJSinNYCMember
Health, I’ve never come across any NC-17 things on basic cable.
I did specify pornography which is a MAJOR problem in the Orthodox community, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. A person is much more likely to fall into that trap on a computer than a TV.
I still maintain that unfiltered internet = TV.
And yes, you can filter your TV. There are programs out there. Ned Flanders does an excellent job of filtering his TV also 🙂December 27, 2010 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #722567
okely dokelyDecember 27, 2010 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #722568HealthParticipant
SJS -You failed to mention R rated, which can get very bad. Don’t confuse the issue -I said if someone is looking for something -they’ll find it whether it’s the internet or the TV. The problem with TV is switching channels inadvertantly and end up watching something like a R rated movie. Even someone who isn’t looking to do something wrong, might end up doing something wrong.
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