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dear Health: there is broadcast TV these days, we have it. Last year everyone with an analogue TV set had to buy a digital TV converter so they could receive digital signals. They did stop broadcasting analogue TV last year and now use that portion of the spectrum for other communications.
<<<You need to pay specifically for pornographic services on TV, but you can get a multitude of free stuff on the internet>>>
all the porno sites cooperate with the filter and rating services. They don’t want your children seeing their site any more than you do.
Why? Because if angry, outraged parents go to congress and demand that the internet be cleaned up, their livelihood will be affected.
Good filtering protects them from angry parents!!!
TMB- please explain this nonsense to me:
You allow yourself to sit on a filtered internet, but others may not sit on filtered TV(where they filter exactly what they see and what they won’t).
Such bluff.
What “filtered TV”? No such thing – that will filter out all gun violence, cursing, untznius women, etc? THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
You can’t get by a commercial even on something like a “nature channel” without multiple images of pritzus!
Health,
I have basic cable (I get it for sports and cooking shows). But in order to get pornographic channels, you have to pay for it. In all my time of TV surfing, I have NEVER come across pornography on TV. Those channels are “premium” channels and you have to specifically pay for them.
Unless someone knows about channels I don’t?
“You can’t get by a commercial even on something like a “nature channel” without multiple images of pritzus!”
yes tmb and the animals are naked too
yes tmb and the animals are naked too
You may laugh…
When my kids were younger, we took them to the zoo quite often (my oldest has always had a fascination with animals (to the extent that he’s now looking into biology/zoology programs in colleges). When relating this to people, one person actually said that I was exposing my children to immorality BECAUSE THE ANIMALS WERE NAKED.
The Wolf
TMB, where is the “gun violence, cursing, untznius women” on the Traffic and Weather Channel?
was exposing my children to immorality BECAUSE THE ANIMALS WERE NAKED….CLASSIC!!!!
That’s the reason why my puppy always wear a little knit sweater.
thank you wolf that was a hoot
thank you wolf that was a hoot
You’re welcome. However, I would have thought it would be a howl. 🙂
The Wolf
Hmmmmmmmmmmm SOMEONE knows too much about TV, or he just thinks he knows too much about tV, which is it?
There is nothing wrong with naked animals. There is something wrong with half-naked humans.
When you’re children start acting violently and immorally, don’t cry that you never taught them any of that. The TV did.
Aries,
Good point!!
TMB, you seem to know quite a bit about what commercials have to offer…
Ther is a expression i yiddish ‘oif der ganiv brent dus hittel’
AC:
You never heard of a baal teshuva?
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There is nothing wrong with naked animals.
I know that. But apparently not everyone does.
The Wolf
Homeowner:
Please elucidate to the world how you have a TV with ONLY access to the Traffic and Weather Channel? And does the Traffic and Weather Channel have ADVERTISEMENTS? Do the ads have women in short-sleeve shirts (or far far worse)? Don’t excuse it that you see far worse in the street, as that is no excuse to see more of it. Especially inside the sanctuary of YOUR HOME.
Yes, I did!
If thats the case, I applaud you.
However washing the rest of us down because we are not so opposed
to the idea doesnt make the teshuva better.
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Oh, and how are the “weather-girls” dressed while reading the weather?
(You didn’t think that was coincidental, did you? Nope, its meant so you should keep watching. Same reason the car manufacturers use prusta girls next to the ads with their cars.)
what is right for you may not be right for someone else…
TMB, I didn’t say I have TV at all, but just for your edification, please note the following:
1. Cable boxes are equipped with programmable “lockouts” whereby any channel may be blocked from service.
2. Metro Traffic and Weather, Channel 61 on Cablevision, has no commercials. The sole advertising is a small ad in the lower right hand corner such as a Ford logo with the name of a dealer.
3. Metro Traffic and Weather also has no personnel visible on the screen. The only human “contact” there is provided by off screen-voices which say such “pritzus” statements such as “Sixty minute inbound wait at the Lincoln Tunnel” and “Wind chill makes it feel like 20 degrees.”
Oy, what will we do?!
Trying my best- you are not talking so nice. Dont look down on people. Its not a good trait.
As far as a TV and internet being the same, all of you are right that you can see the same things. The difference is that a TV is more of a statement that you want to watch something entertainment. So someone who has a TV MAY have a different view on life than someone who doesnt, even if that person has internet.
Usually the weather girls are dressed in suits as are the weather men!
Homeowner:
If you find me one cable subscriber in NYC — a city of 8,000,000 — who subscribes to cable and locks out every channel other than Metro Traffic and Weather, get back to me and we’ll talk.
I never saw a fat old woman reading the weather on TV.
Talk about sending a picture with your resume.
Most weathermen/women are hired for one reason and that reason isn’t to tell you the 5 day forecast. According to our standards most of these women would not come close to meeting our tznius standards.
“When you’re children start acting violently and immorally”
I will not address the grammatical/spelling error in your sentence. My children grew up watching tv, and none of them has turned out either violent or immoral. I think that many of us tend to make rather sweeping statements when trying to make a point, often at the expense of the limits of exaggeration. Points are made far better when there is no hysterical hyperbole attached. For example, there is a clear and direct correlation between excessive TV watching and obesity in those children who are getting little exercise, due to their couch potato habits. There is a dumbing down of our culture. Children read less. These are real concerns.
OTOH, our kids are more well-informed about the world around them. They can watch some really excellent programming, they can learn to read at an earlier age (my son was reading at age 3, when Sesame Street and the Electric Company made it all click into place), and they can be exposed to GOOD things which they might otherwise not see, such as plays, classical music, historical novels, etc.)
Everything in life has the potential to be good or bad, even drinking water, if done to excess. All things in moderation, can prove to be beneficial. You don’t want a TV? Don’t have one. But there is no reason to disparage those who use their tvs in a judicious and positive way, to enhance their enjoyment of the world around them. And if you watch movies on the computer, you are “watching TV,” whether you are willing to admit it to yourself or not.
“But there is no reason to disparage those who use their tvs in a judicious and positive way, to enhance their enjoyment of the world around them.”
The Gedolim — across the board — have been disparaging TV ownership (the principle not the people in violation necessarily) and viewing for many decades now.
TMB- that’s why we have Gedolim. But that’s not your job.
what are we in violation of?
SJSinNYC -You can get movies on cable TV without having premium. There are plenty of bad movies, like R and NR-17. You can accidently flip to something like this. You gotta do this on purpose on the net.
TheGoq: Television causes a loss of Olam Haboa based on the Mishna in Sanhedrin 10:1 that says a person loses his Olam Haboa by reading the wrong books since it corrupts his mind. The television is many times worse than the seforim chitzonim mentioned.
You still have freedom of choice on both media sources.
The real question is why you would pay the exorbitant bill for cable when you can bit torrent anything you want for free
Even PG and PG-13 are horrible and not for a Jewish home. It is called “parental guidance” for a reason; and not a good reason.
TMB, I see you are stuck. Unfortunately for you, you have been cornered. There is nothing halachically impermissible with watching the Traffic and Weather Channel. You so much as admit that because you resort to the intellectually dishonest claim that you don’t think anyone would watch only that channel.
I am sure that without a problem, we can find other channels that even an individual with a rather “tzudrayt” view of Judaism would find acceptable.
Again, this reflects on everything else you post here.
CSPAN, anyone?
this discussion reminds me of a hoax organizations in the late 50s and 60s – The Society for Indecency to Naked Animals. Buck Henry used to play the head of the society and would go on TV talk shows advocating the clothing of animals for the sake of decency. Some of their slogans included: “Decency today means morality tomorrow” and “A nude horse is a rude horse.” “Let’s clothe every pet and animal / whether dog, cat horse or cow!”
“So clothe all your pets and join the march / for worldwide Decency!”
Sorry for the tangent, I couldn’t resist the chuckle I got from the memory.
TMB – You don’t have a TV. How do you know what the ladies on the Weather Channel are wearing?
chos v’shalom!
Midwest – see about 20 posts above.
A Jew can own a television set and watch only acceptable programs in the same way that a Jew can own a computer with an internet connection and only look at acceptable websites.
You can filter the internet from the network or software. There is no filter for the tv. Also the ads are very bad on tv even on so called clean shows. And the female hosts on the shows arent dressed tznius.
What seems peculiar to me is the opening statement made by the OP regarding why the need for this questionnaire “…. so we know who we are speaking to” meaning in the coffeeroom.
Very funny.
First of all, why didn’t he open with “who has looked at the forbidden on the internet”. Obviously if someone is in the coffeeroom then they are online. If someone is onlinethen they possibly have access to more discreet and horrible things than a TV has to offer.
Why didn’t he ask “who has internet in the home”.
I just think its very naive to think one can get to “know ” who he is communicating with in a yeshivish environment forum such as this one, by asking “who owns a tv”.
He could have asked who owns a dog?
This could also give a picture or feeling to who is not “as frum as thou”. AS most charedim do not have animals in the house.
You can filter the internet from the network or software. There is no filter for the tv. Also the ads are very bad on tv even on so called clean shows. And the female hosts on the shows arent dressed tznius. “
Technically, you are incorrect. There is a filter and the channels that you find objectionable can be deleted from the TV. People do that all the time, so their kids don’t inadvertently change the channel to something they would not deem appropriate for their kids.
The ads even on the cartoon channels have not tzniusdik women. And the hosts are no better on something even like the food channel.
Health, I’ve never come across any NC-17 things on basic cable.
I did specify pornography which is a MAJOR problem in the Orthodox community, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. A person is much more likely to fall into that trap on a computer than a TV.
I still maintain that unfiltered internet = TV.
And yes, you can filter your TV. There are programs out there. Ned Flanders does an excellent job of filtering his TV also 🙂
okely dokely
SJS -You failed to mention R rated, which can get very bad. Don’t confuse the issue -I said if someone is looking for something -they’ll find it whether it’s the internet or the TV. The problem with TV is switching channels inadvertantly and end up watching something like a R rated movie. Even someone who isn’t looking to do something wrong, might end up doing something wrong.
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