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  • #1799267

    Yabia Omer
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    …regardless of their level of religiosity, ethnic background, Hashkafa? Yes or no answers only please.

    #1799349

    zahavasdad
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    No

    Not Bernie Sanders or Madoff

    #1799364

    Goldilocks
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    I really try to love all Jews.
    I don’t think I have ever had difficulty loving a fellow Jew because of religious or hashkafic reasons.
    I have, however, encountered other Jews whose personality, habits, or behavior really get on my nerves.
    Yes, I know,…something I need to work on…

    #1799356

    Reb Eliezer
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    A tinuk shenishbo and a Torah following Jew, yes but ומשנאך ה’ אשנא and OTD who studied in Yeshivas is hard to love.

    #1799367

    Gadolhadorah
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    Nor those who ar in positions of power (or very close to those who are) and rmain silent in the face of evil

    #1799382

    lakewhut
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    I love who I’m supposed to love

    #1799384

    per the rav of Brisk ‘Those who claim to be the greatest ohavim,are the greatest son’im’

    The short answer however is yes
    though it’s hard on occasion Not to have some empathy for anti-semites

    #1799400

    ☕️coffee addict
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    נטורי קרטא?

    לפיד?

    Wow?

    Moser?

    #1799462

    klugeryid
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    Rabbi miller says it’s foolish to think one can love every Jew

    #1799472

    Gadolhadorah
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    KY: He had some fairly storng wrods for certain segments of the tzibur whose practices and behavior he did not approve of. Whether this was “tough love” or simply the Rav delivering his own unique brand of musar is hard to tell.

    #1799500

    lakewhut
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    GH watch what you say about a Gadol.

    #1799510

    Yabia Omer
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    Lakewhut, what did she say that was so bad?

    #1799523

    ☕️coffee addict
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    “Lakewhut, what did she say that was so bad?“

    I also thought GH was a she bit the delivery of his posts show otherwise

    FYI the reason for the mix up is probably because of the ah at the end of the name

    #1799528

    770girl
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    @klugeryid we are all suppose to have such ahavas yisroel that we love every jew no matter what. Ofcourse it can get hard sometimes but we have to remember that thats the right thing.

    #1799539

    klugeryid
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    770 no not really we are not enjoined to love purposeful sinners.
    As a matter of fact we are supposed to hate them

    #1799678

    YesOrNo
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    Yes! I love every Jew. I daven for every Jew. Even the ones who I don’t agree with. Even those that I know are wrong. I love them and daven for them all the time!!!

    #1799717

    Joseph
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    Who do you have in mind when davening V’Lamalshinim?

    #1799718

    Yabia Omer
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    Best answer goes to YesOrNo. No pilpulim, no neurosis. Just a genuine, straightforward answer.

    #1799769

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Joseph-my husband asked rabbi Ephraim Twerski that question and he stood to have in mind the open orthodox

    #1799793

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Which leads to the question: are we supposed to love the people included in the brocha of V’lamalshinim?

    #1799799

    Reb Eliezer
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    The Rabbenu Bechaye in Parshes Ki Siso says on ולא יהיה בהם נגף בפקוד אותם, if you look at the Jews as a whole, you find no faults in them, but if you count them normally, you separate the bad from the good. They say that is why Bolok only wanted Bilom to see part of the Bnei Yisroel, because Bilom cannot affect the whole. So as a whole, we love all Jews.

    #1799796

    Joseph
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    Syag – they fit right in. His answer equally applies to any former frum person.

    #1799798

    Joseph
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    DY – It says V’ahavta L’Reacha Kamocha. So it is limited to those who fall within the proper definition of reacha.

    #1799858

    Gadolhadorah
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    מצות אהבת ישראל – לאהב כל אחד מישראל אהבת נפש, כלומר שנחמל על ישראל ועל ממונו כמו שאדם חומל על עצמו וממונו, שנאמר (ויקרא י( ואהבת לרעך כמור ודיני מצוה זו, כלולים הם בתוך המצוה, שכלל הכל הוא שיתנהג האדם עם חברו כמו שיתנהג האדם עצמו לשמר ממונו ולהרחיק ממנו כל נזק. ואם יספר עליו דברים יספרם לשבח ויחוס על כבודו ולא יתכבד בקלונו, וכמו שאמרו זכרונם לברכה (ירושלמי חגיגה פ”ב ה”א) המתכבד בקלון חברו אין לו חלק לעולם הבא, והמתנהג עם חברו דרך אהבה ושלום ורעות ומבקש תועלתם ושמח בטובם עליו הכתוב אומר (ישעיהו מט ג): ישראל אשר בך אתפאר.

    As they say, don’t risk your chelek of olam haboh by being too selective in your choice of who is “Reacha” based on your lack of empathy and understanding of others whose hashkafah is different from yours

    #1799857

    Meno
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    Yes or no answers only please.

    You people are bad at following directions.

    #1799867

    Reb Eliezer
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    The Ramban asks, why doesn’t it say veohwvto reacha? He answers it is impossible to love your fellow man like yourself since a person is closest to himself. The Sefer Habris explains that the Torah commands him that what he expects his friend should do to him, he should do to his friend.

    #1799871

    Gadolhadorah
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    A yid cannot just give a “simple” yes/no to a very complex question….. we must bring down and illuminate BOTH sides of the issue before providing a reasoned, non-committal opinion.

    #1799876

    Yosseleh
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    I try my best, but there are some exceptions. Jews who collaborate with anti-semites, Jews who hurt other Jews directly and the troll who posts as Joseph are exceptions.

    #1799895

    ☕️coffee addict
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    “ and the troll who posts as Joseph are exceptions.”

    What did joe do to you?

    #1799897

    anonymous Jew
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    This question is not so simple. The Vilna Gaon considered the chassidim as if they were Open Orthodox and refused to have any dealings with them.The two factions of Satmar dislike each other . Whenni was growing up, brawls between Lubavitch and Satmar were not unusual.

    #1799916

    knaidlach
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    anonymouse jew.
    we are talking here about LOVING all jews. you can love all jews and at the same time not agree with them. i do not believe that the Vilner Gaon HATED any jew

    #1799920

    @anonymous Jew, there is a difference between them and open orthodox. The chassidim never did something to make the Torah pleasing to the goyim by subverting halocho to suit their personal interests or denied any fundamental part of the Torah like the coming of the Moshiach or kotbonos, and the same goes for the lubavitch and Satmar. The same cannot be said for Open Orthodox.

    #1799926

    Yabia Omer
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    And yet you never hear Sephardim having any machloket …. Did you ever ask yourselves why?

    #1799945

    laughing
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    I don’t

    #1799947

    @Yabia_Omer, that’s because sefardim weren’t influenced by the Haskalah movement in the same way ashkenaz I’m were so you don’t get all these branches of kefirah like reform or conservative in sefardi judaism. In general the split is between frum and not yet frum as opposed to orthodox, open orthodox, conservative, reform and so on.

    #1799955

    klugeryid
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    ומשנאי ה אשנא

    #1799966

    ☕️coffee addict
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    To yabia and chesterfield

    Ever heard of the karaim?

    #1799967

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Joseph- no, not at all.

    #1799986

    Shimon Nodel
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    עמך בתורה ובמצות

    #1799987

    Joseph
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    Syag – why do you say not?

    #1800048

    Yabia Omer
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    Satmar vs. Lubavitch. Bobov vs. Bobov. Mitnagdim vs. Hasidim. Etc. Etc. It’s funny we never see this among Sephardim. Why is that?

    #1800057

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Joseph- you can’t just throw in random additions to comments made by people you never met. The chasm between former frum and open orthodox is huge. It’s not even the same boat. I quoted him, and if you want to alter his words then please call him and discuss it first.

    #1800063

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Satmar vs. Lubavitch. Bobov vs. Bobov. Mitnagdim vs. Hasidim. Etc. Etc. It’s funny we never see this among Sephardim. Why is that?

    Because most Satmar, Lubavitch, Bobov, Litvish, and Chassidim aren’t Sephardic.

    Similar to the way you won’t find Mashadi vs. Tehrani among Ashkenazim.

    #1800066

    Observer
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    Clarify question.

    Love all Jews or Love all Israelis

    #1800065

    zahavasdad
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    Sephardim dont even have disputes with non-relgious. In fact the Non-religious respect their Rabanim

    #1800078

    jdb
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    We can and should try to love all Jews. Even when there is machlokes or milchemes hashem, my rabbeim taught to love the person and disagree with what they are doing. Standing up for emes doesn’t mean hating someone who does something incorrect. It means davening for their teshuva.

    #1800121

    Milhouse
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    And yet you never hear Sephardim having any machloket …. Did you ever ask yourselves why?

    Because you’re not paying attention. Sefardim are just as machlokes-prone as Ashkenazim, or more.

    #1800158

    anonymous Jew
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    You’re missing the point. The philosophies of Chassidus and Open Orthodoxy are totally different but the Vilna Gaon viewed Chassidus like we view OO. What I said was the Vilna Gaon treated Chassidus beliefs ( i.e. miracleworker rebbes and visions ) as close to , if not in fact , Kfira and excommunicated them. The Misnagaid vs Chassidus war didn’t calm down until the mid 1800’s when they both realized that they were fighting over a smaller pie as more and more Jews were being lost to the Haskala.
    As far as the other arguments, the Satmar factions, Lubavitch vs Satmar etc didn’t just disagree. They had a true personal dislike as there were physical assaults , property damage and ( as Joseph keeps overlooking) long ongoing CIVIL lawsuits in gentile courts

    #1800183

    lakewhut
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    zahavasdad that’s not 100% true.

    #1800199

    laughing
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    If all Jews loved each other and acted like they were created in the image of g-d then mosiach would have arrived ages ago.

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