November 11, 2019 11:59 am at 11:59 am #1799267
…regardless of their level of religiosity, ethnic background, Hashkafa? Yes or no answers only please.November 11, 2019 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1799349
Not Bernie Sanders or MadoffNovember 11, 2019 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1799364
I really try to love all Jews.
I don’t think I have ever had difficulty loving a fellow Jew because of religious or hashkafic reasons.
I have, however, encountered other Jews whose personality, habits, or behavior really get on my nerves.
Yes, I know,…something I need to work on…November 11, 2019 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1799356
A tinuk shenishbo and a Torah following Jew, yes but ומשנאך ה’ אשנא and OTD who studied in Yeshivas is hard to love.November 11, 2019 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1799367
Nor those who ar in positions of power (or very close to those who are) and rmain silent in the face of evilNovember 11, 2019 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1799382
I love who I’m supposed to loveNovember 11, 2019 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #1799384
It is Time for TruthParticipant
per the rav of Brisk ‘Those who claim to be the greatest ohavim,are the greatest son’im’
The short answer however is yes
though it’s hard on occasion Not to have some empathy for anti-semitesNovember 11, 2019 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1799400
Moser?November 11, 2019 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #1799462
Rabbi miller says it’s foolish to think one can love every JewNovember 11, 2019 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1799472
KY: He had some fairly storng wrods for certain segments of the tzibur whose practices and behavior he did not approve of. Whether this was “tough love” or simply the Rav delivering his own unique brand of musar is hard to tell.November 11, 2019 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1799500
GH watch what you say about a Gadol.November 11, 2019 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #1799510
Lakewhut, what did she say that was so bad?November 11, 2019 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #1799523
“Lakewhut, what did she say that was so bad?“
I also thought GH was a she bit the delivery of his posts show otherwise
FYI the reason for the mix up is probably because of the ah at the end of the nameNovember 11, 2019 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #1799528
@klugeryid we are all suppose to have such ahavas yisroel that we love every jew no matter what. Ofcourse it can get hard sometimes but we have to remember that thats the right thing.November 11, 2019 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1799539
770 no not really we are not enjoined to love purposeful sinners.
As a matter of fact we are supposed to hate themNovember 12, 2019 8:00 am at 8:00 am #1799678
Yes! I love every Jew. I daven for every Jew. Even the ones who I don’t agree with. Even those that I know are wrong. I love them and daven for them all the time!!!November 12, 2019 8:19 am at 8:19 am #1799717
Who do you have in mind when davening V’Lamalshinim?November 12, 2019 8:19 am at 8:19 am #1799718
Best answer goes to YesOrNo. No pilpulim, no neurosis. Just a genuine, straightforward answer.November 12, 2019 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1799769
Joseph-my husband asked rabbi Ephraim Twerski that question and he stood to have in mind the open orthodoxNovember 12, 2019 10:24 am at 10:24 am #1799793
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Which leads to the question: are we supposed to love the people included in the brocha of V’lamalshinim?November 12, 2019 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1799799
The Rabbenu Bechaye in Parshes Ki Siso says on ולא יהיה בהם נגף בפקוד אותם, if you look at the Jews as a whole, you find no faults in them, but if you count them normally, you separate the bad from the good. They say that is why Bolok only wanted Bilom to see part of the Bnei Yisroel, because Bilom cannot affect the whole. So as a whole, we love all Jews.November 12, 2019 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1799796
Syag – they fit right in. His answer equally applies to any former frum person.November 12, 2019 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1799798
DY – It says V’ahavta L’Reacha Kamocha. So it is limited to those who fall within the proper definition of reacha.November 12, 2019 11:58 am at 11:58 am #1799858
מצות אהבת ישראל – לאהב כל אחד מישראל אהבת נפש, כלומר שנחמל על ישראל ועל ממונו כמו שאדם חומל על עצמו וממונו, שנאמר (ויקרא י( ואהבת לרעך כמור ודיני מצוה זו, כלולים הם בתוך המצוה, שכלל הכל הוא שיתנהג האדם עם חברו כמו שיתנהג האדם עצמו לשמר ממונו ולהרחיק ממנו כל נזק. ואם יספר עליו דברים יספרם לשבח ויחוס על כבודו ולא יתכבד בקלונו, וכמו שאמרו זכרונם לברכה (ירושלמי חגיגה פ”ב ה”א) המתכבד בקלון חברו אין לו חלק לעולם הבא, והמתנהג עם חברו דרך אהבה ושלום ורעות ומבקש תועלתם ושמח בטובם עליו הכתוב אומר (ישעיהו מט ג): ישראל אשר בך אתפאר.
As they say, don’t risk your chelek of olam haboh by being too selective in your choice of who is “Reacha” based on your lack of empathy and understanding of others whose hashkafah is different from yoursNovember 12, 2019 11:58 am at 11:58 am #1799857
Yes or no answers only please.
You people are bad at following directions.November 12, 2019 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #1799867
The Ramban asks, why doesn’t it say veohwvto reacha? He answers it is impossible to love your fellow man like yourself since a person is closest to himself. The Sefer Habris explains that the Torah commands him that what he expects his friend should do to him, he should do to his friend.November 12, 2019 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1799871
A yid cannot just give a “simple” yes/no to a very complex question….. we must bring down and illuminate BOTH sides of the issue before providing a reasoned, non-committal opinion.November 12, 2019 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1799876
I try my best, but there are some exceptions. Jews who collaborate with anti-semites, Jews who hurt other Jews directly and the troll who posts as Joseph are exceptions.November 12, 2019 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #1799895
“ and the troll who posts as Joseph are exceptions.”
What did joe do to you?November 12, 2019 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #1799897
This question is not so simple. The Vilna Gaon considered the chassidim as if they were Open Orthodox and refused to have any dealings with them.The two factions of Satmar dislike each other . Whenni was growing up, brawls between Lubavitch and Satmar were not unusual.November 12, 2019 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1799916
we are talking here about LOVING all jews. you can love all jews and at the same time not agree with them. i do not believe that the Vilner Gaon HATED any jewNovember 12, 2019 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1799920
@anonymous Jew, there is a difference between them and open orthodox. The chassidim never did something to make the Torah pleasing to the goyim by subverting halocho to suit their personal interests or denied any fundamental part of the Torah like the coming of the Moshiach or kotbonos, and the same goes for the lubavitch and Satmar. The same cannot be said for Open Orthodox.November 12, 2019 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1799926
And yet you never hear Sephardim having any machloket …. Did you ever ask yourselves why?November 12, 2019 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #1799945
I don’tNovember 12, 2019 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1799947
@Yabia_Omer, that’s because sefardim weren’t influenced by the Haskalah movement in the same way ashkenaz I’m were so you don’t get all these branches of kefirah like reform or conservative in sefardi judaism. In general the split is between frum and not yet frum as opposed to orthodox, open orthodox, conservative, reform and so on.November 12, 2019 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #1799955
ומשנאי ה אשנאNovember 12, 2019 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1799966
To yabia and chesterfield
Ever heard of the karaim?November 12, 2019 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1799967
Joseph- no, not at all.November 12, 2019 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1799986
עמך בתורה ובמצותNovember 12, 2019 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #1799987
Syag – why do you say not?November 12, 2019 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #1800048
Satmar vs. Lubavitch. Bobov vs. Bobov. Mitnagdim vs. Hasidim. Etc. Etc. It’s funny we never see this among Sephardim. Why is that?November 12, 2019 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #1800057
Joseph- you can’t just throw in random additions to comments made by people you never met. The chasm between former frum and open orthodox is huge. It’s not even the same boat. I quoted him, and if you want to alter his words then please call him and discuss it first.November 12, 2019 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1800063
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Satmar vs. Lubavitch. Bobov vs. Bobov. Mitnagdim vs. Hasidim. Etc. Etc. It’s funny we never see this among Sephardim. Why is that?
Because most Satmar, Lubavitch, Bobov, Litvish, and Chassidim aren’t Sephardic.
Similar to the way you won’t find Mashadi vs. Tehrani among Ashkenazim.November 12, 2019 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1800066
Love all Jews or Love all IsraelisNovember 12, 2019 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1800065
Sephardim dont even have disputes with non-relgious. In fact the Non-religious respect their RabanimNovember 13, 2019 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1800078
We can and should try to love all Jews. Even when there is machlokes or milchemes hashem, my rabbeim taught to love the person and disagree with what they are doing. Standing up for emes doesn’t mean hating someone who does something incorrect. It means davening for their teshuva.November 13, 2019 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1800121
And yet you never hear Sephardim having any machloket …. Did you ever ask yourselves why?
Because you’re not paying attention. Sefardim are just as machlokes-prone as Ashkenazim, or more.November 13, 2019 7:42 am at 7:42 am #1800158
You’re missing the point. The philosophies of Chassidus and Open Orthodoxy are totally different but the Vilna Gaon viewed Chassidus like we view OO. What I said was the Vilna Gaon treated Chassidus beliefs ( i.e. miracleworker rebbes and visions ) as close to , if not in fact , Kfira and excommunicated them. The Misnagaid vs Chassidus war didn’t calm down until the mid 1800’s when they both realized that they were fighting over a smaller pie as more and more Jews were being lost to the Haskala.
As far as the other arguments, the Satmar factions, Lubavitch vs Satmar etc didn’t just disagree. They had a true personal dislike as there were physical assaults , property damage and ( as Joseph keeps overlooking) long ongoing CIVIL lawsuits in gentile courtsNovember 13, 2019 7:45 am at 7:45 am #1800183
zahavasdad that’s not 100% true.November 13, 2019 7:56 am at 7:56 am #1800199
If all Jews loved each other and acted like they were created in the image of g-d then mosiach would have arrived ages ago.
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