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  • #1957034
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    Ubiq -“You say I lied, even though I told the truth. You mentioned (after 25 or so posts arguing about the definition of “hearing”) that you are using a special definition of lie that you call “lie of fabrication” To back up this definition , you brought used psychology wikia as a source (As if that trumps any of the numerous dictionary definitions I provided)
    Under this defitnion, from the source YOU provided they have an example of a “lie of fabrication” (again, which is what you are accusing me of)”

    Enough with your Manipulation!
    I don’t fall for it, & I don’t think other posters will either.
    I don’t care how many posts later that I explained that there isn’t one definition of Hearing.
    I was using the other one.
    So as long that there is a correct definition – I can use it.
    You’re so obsessed with finding others wrong, you can’t accept that I wasn’t wrong, but you were!

    ” (As if that trumps any of the numerous dictionary definitions I provided)
    Under this defitnion, ”
    Yes, it does. I told you before that the Lie of Fabrication, is defined in more than one place.
    Your defense is Ludicrous!
    You separate the word “Lie” and “Fabrication”.
    This is classic Manipulation!
    I’m not defining “Lie” or “Fabrication”!
    I’m defining Lie of Fabrication, which you have done in your Statement!
    This is a Psychological Definition, not a General one.
    And Btw, it’s defined in many Psychological Sites and/or Texts.

    #1957045
    ubiquitin
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    “I don’t think other posters will either.”

    Lol, there are no other psoters at this point (I hope)

    “So as long that there is a correct definition – I can use it.”

    You can use whatever definition you want. But you should apologize for having called me a liar, when I was using the correct definition .

    On Dec 20’th I said her case won’t be heard by the supreme court.
    You said “Ok – she isn’t Lying – You are!”

    you then went on and on about how conferences are also “hearings” .
    (before you came up with “lie of fabrication” )

    I showed you that you were incorrect. I provided from the court’s website that says clearly “The primary means to petition the court for review is to ask it to grant a writ of certiorari. …. The Court usually is not under any obligation to hear these cases”

    you say you use your own defitnion, fine.
    But you can’t fault me for using the Court’s definition.
    so I wasn’t lying when I said there wouldn’t be a hearing. There wasn’t.

    At this point, you can either apologize
    Or if you are still caught up on your absurd “lie of fabrication” gibberish., I’m more than happy to help you out , but you are going to have to stop ignoring my questions.

    “And Btw, it’s defined in many Psychological Sites and/or Texts.”
    Yes I know and its copyright to name them.
    spare me.

    (to be clear I’m not saying there is no such thing as a fabrication (that would be absurd) there are lots of tyoes of lies, there are lies of omission, lies of fabrication, lies of denial, bold faced lies. but a. these arent technical terms (to the best of my knowledge) and b. the key is they are LIES ie not true.
    Interestingly you have managed to tell ALL these types on this thread)

    #1957100
    ubiquitin
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    Health

    I thought of a new approach that might help you.

    the Hopeline 8 types of lies peice has White lies as the first type.

    They define it ” A white lie is often called the least serious of all lies. People tell white lies claiming to be tactful or polite. For example, it could be making up an excuse for not going to a party, or showing appreciation for an undesirable gift.”

    I was invited to a coworker’s party. I told them “I can’t make it Friday night its the Jewish Sabbath” Is this a White lie?

    you might say yes! Its “an excuse for not going to a party” However that of course would be wrong. not all excuses not to go to a party are automatically white lies.
    To be a white lie it has to be a lie. Whci hshould be obviosu it is in the Category of “types of lies”
    of course it has to be a lie.

    Same for “lie of fabrication”
    by definition, it HAS to be a lie. Otherwise it is not a Lie of fabrication, it isnt a lie at all itfi it isnt a lie.

    Hope this helps

    Still waiting for apology and or/ response to my question

    #1957254
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    Participant

    Ubiq -“On Dec 20’th I said her case won’t be heard by the supreme court.
    You said “Ok – she isn’t Lying – You are!”

    What’s wrong with that statement?
    If you look at the Your posts before that – you use the word “lying & liar” time after time.
    Now you have a problem when s/o says that about you?!?
    Are you for Real???

    “You can use whatever definition you want. But you should apologize for having called me a liar, when I was using the correct definition .”

    Where did I call you a Liar – post the quote.
    Are you talking about this?
    “On Dec 20’th I said her case won’t be heard by the supreme court.
    You said “Ok – she isn’t Lying – You are!”

    If yes, by saying it won’t be heard – this Includes all Definitions, unless you specify which one!
    So stop trying to Manipulate e/o, Mr. Compulsive Liar!

    “The Court usually is not under any obligation to hear these cases”
    “you say you use your own defitnion, fine.
    But you can’t fault me for using the Court’s definition.
    so I wasn’t lying when I said there wouldn’t be a hearing. There wasn’t”

    No one is faulting you for that.
    But I faulted you for saying a Lie of Fabrication!
    If you forgot the Definition – look up a few lines.

    “Same for “lie of fabrication”
    “by definition, it HAS to be a lie. Otherwise it is not a Lie of fabrication, it isnt a lie at all itfi it isnt a lie.”

    Ok, here it is again:
    So at the time of your post – it was a Lie of Fabrication!”
    See the word “Lie”?!?
    Again:
    “From Psychology.wikia.com
    “Fabrication –
    A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth.”

    You have a Very Big Problem admitting that you did Something Wrong!

    “Still waiting for apology”

    The only one that should give apologies is You – for all your Manipulating Lying!!!

    #1957288
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “What’s wrong with that statement?”

    It wasn’t true. I did not lie.

    If you look at the Your posts before that – you use the word “lying & liar” time after time.
    Now you have a problem when s/o says that about you?!?”

    I have NO problem with you caling me a liar. IF I lied.
    At no point did I say “don’t call me a liar it isnt nice” What I’ve been saying is “don;t call me a liar, I told th truth”
    Its puzzling that you couldn’t tell that difference .

    Where did I call you a Liar – post the quote.”

    Lots of times.

    Are you switching tactics, first you argued for a week or so, that I DID lie becasue there was a “hearing”

    Thne you swtichd that although I didnt lie in the typical sense of the word. you used your own defitnion of Liar” that is synonmous with “showing off”

    now you are saying you didnt call me a liar.

    Love it!

    “Are you talking about this?
    “On Dec 20’th I said her case won’t be heard by the supreme court.
    You said “Ok – she isn’t Lying – You are!”

    Sure, among others

    “If yes, by saying it won’t be heard – this Includes all Definitions, unless you specify which one!”

    I don;t know what defitnions you mean.
    The court does NOT hear all cases as is clearly written on UScourt dot com website. As Isaid, and as you did not know.
    Just becasue you didint knwo that, and wouldnt listen to me is not my fault. Thats on you.

    “No one is faulting you for that.”

    Lol # lines up you did! remeber here it is: “If yes, by saying it won’t be heard – this Includes all Definitions, unless you specify which one! So stop trying to Manipulate e/o, Mr. Compulsive Liar!”

    But I faulted you for saying a Lie of Fabrication!
    If you forgot the Definition – look up a few lines.

    “Same for “lie of fabrication”
    “by definition, it HAS to be a lie. Otherwise it is not a Lie of fabrication, it isnt a lie at all itfi it isnt a lie.”

    Ok, here it is again:
    So at the time of your post – it was a Lie of Fabrication!”
    See the word “Lie”?!?

    YES! Do you?
    Again:
    “From Psychology.wikia.com
    “Fabrication –
    A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth.”

    EXACTLY fabrication is a LIE…

    Is it a truth?
    NO

    It is a lie.

    Also still waiting for anwers for my 2 questions

    why are you so scared to asnwer simple direct questions ?

    Its good for you don;t be shy Lo habayshan lamad.
    Do you want to be this uninformed forever? its bad enough to lie, but cmon don;t lie to yourself. Try to learn

    #1957318
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    In case you have trouble finding them here are the 2 questions

    Both are here to help you correctly understand “lie of fabrication”

    There is no need for you to just repeat the same misunderstood quote over and over. I got it.
    I’d like to help you.

    A) One of the sources you provided used “The dog ate my homework” as an example of a “lie of fabrication,” In which of these scenarios would you say this “lie of fabrication” took place:

    1) The guy never did it, teacher asks where is your homework? guy says “The dog ate it”

    2) The guy did do his homework , but can’t find it, he has no idea what happened. teacher asks where is your homework? guy says “The dog ate it”
    a. The dog really did eat it
    b. the dog did not eat it

    3) The guy did his homework, he sees his dog rummaging in his knapsack and chewing some papers, but doesn’t see which, when his teacher asks where is your homework ? he says “the dog ate it”
    a. The dog really did eat it
    b. the dog did not eat it (eg he finds it later on his desk)

    4) the guy did his homework, the dog eats it when his teacher asks where is your homework ? he says “the dog ate it”

    in which if these 6 cases 1, 2a 2b 3a 3b and 4 would you say a Lie of fabrication took place?

    B) the Hopeline 8 types of lies piece has White lies as the first type.

    They define it ” A white lie is often called the least serious of all lies. People tell white lies claiming to be tactful or polite. For example, it could be making up an excuse for not going to a party, or showing appreciation for an undesirable gift.”

    I was invited to a coworker’s party. I told them “I can’t make it Friday night its the Jewish Sabbath” Is this a White lie?

    Ugh

    #1957327
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    Participant

    Ubiq -“Are you switching tactics, first you argued for a week or so, that I DID lie becasue there was a “hearing””

    Yes, when s/o makes a Broad Statement, that SCOTUS won’t hear the case, it includes all definition of Hearing.
    Unless you specify which definition that you’re using.

    “now you are saying you didnt call me a liar.”

    No, never. Why don’t you read my post?
    I wrote -“Where did I call you a Liar – post the quote.”
    This isn’t -“now you are saying you didnt call me a liar.”

    You have to Learn Reading Comprehension!

    “I don;t know what defitnions you mean.”
    All definitions of the word “Heard”.

    “EXACTLY fabrication is a LIE…”

    You simply have No Comprehension!
    From previous:
    “So at the time of your post – it was a Lie of Fabrication!”
    Because no one could know the SCOTUS would say on the case, maybe they would declare it Moot, maybe they would give a Writ of Centorarti.

    “why are you so scared to asnwer simple direct questions ?”
    No, I’m not.

    “? its bad enough to lie, but cmon don;t lie to yourself. Try to learn”
    You’re the only one on this thread that keeps on Lying!
    Don’t put your problems on Others!

    Ugh

    #1957367
    ubiquitin
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    #1957446
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    Ubiq -“I’m out”

    That’s your problem – you should have never started!
    The Fact is Biden didn’t win this election.

    I never thought the USA would go this low.
    We’ve seen it in China, Russia and many others, but the US was always “In G-d we trust”!
    The Soton strength here has so far prevailed.
    But it won’t last & all those that Vote DemonCrat will see their Downfall!

    #1959888
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Hope youve been well

    I don’t plan on repeating the same points over and over.

    But to follow up on your request:

    On Feb 7 (and again and again on the 8th and 9th) I asked

    “When (if?) Powell settles or loses her court case against Dominion, and either agrees that she lied, or it is ruled that she lied.
    Will you then agree that she lied”

    after dodging for a bit you replied “It’s too early to even ask questions about this lawsuit.
    Ask me much later.”

    she now says “no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”

    #1959988
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    Participant

    Ubiq -“she now says “no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact”

    She saying that to get out of her lawsuit.
    She doesn’t believe it.
    It’s sad that this Country has stooped so low, that she has to do anything.
    Right now, the US of A is Worse than Russia or China.
    The only ones that understand this is the Right Wingers, Not the Libs, including the Lib Jews!

    #1960029
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “She doesn’t believe it.”

    Lol!

    How can you possibly know that?
    What was it you called someone who says things they don’t KNOW to be true (even if it was true which of course this isn’t)

    And to be clear, so she is lying now. correct?

    #1960137
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    Participant

    Ubiq -“How can you possibly know that?”

    I don’t know for sure. I’m guessing.
    I’m Not like you that you that does “Lies of Fabrication”!
    I clarified it – just now.
    But you Still haven’t admitted that you did a Lie of Fabrication.
    If you would have just said – I’m guessing what SCOTUS would do – it would have never been a problem.
    But your Gaiva didn’t allow that – instead you agrued – page after page!

    “And to be clear, so she is lying now. correct?”

    Of course, she is!
    You Libs have made this Country worse than China or Russia!

    #1960629
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    ““And to be clear, so she is lying now. correct?”

    Of course, she is!”

    amazing

    when she tells the truth you think she lied when she lies you think she tells the truth.

    I have never met anyone whose reality compass is as backwards as yours.

    I’m not going to rehash your nonsensical interpretation of “lies of fabrication” again as I already explained to you how If something is not a Lie or if not a fabrication it cannot be a “lie of fabrication” certainly if it is neither.

    I had left some questions for you that you are too dishonest to answer, I won’t bother posting them again

    but just for fun’s sake . Yo usaid “If you would have just said – I’m guessing what SCOTUS would do – it would have never been a problem.”

    Lol! I basically did say that on Jan 7′
    “If her case gets heard by the supreme Court. wow was I wrong. …But I did make a prediction, and if it turns out wrong it is wrong… No big deal It is ok to be wrong.”

    I acknowledged that I was making a prediction that could be wrong.

    #1960703
    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq – “Lol! I basically did say that on Jan 7′
    “If her case gets heard by the supreme Court. wow was I wrong. …But I did make a prediction, and if it turns out wrong it is wrong… No big deal It is ok to be wrong.”
    I acknowledged that I was making a prediction that could be wrong”

    Wow – you really Still think that you can Manipulate with your Lies!
    That was on Jan. 7, but on Jan. 19 you wrote this:
    “The case will not be heard.”
    If you wrote – I think or I’m guessing, that wouldn’t be a problem.
    But instead you wrote – “The case will not be heard”.
    This is a Lie of Fabrication!

    I’m Not interested in Your Lies and/or Manipulations anymore!
    Tell it to the Marines!

    #1960718
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “If you wrote – I think or I’m guessing, that wouldn’t be a problem.”

    I don’t get it . why do I have to write it in every post, but you don’t?

    You said “She doesn’t believe it” and LATER clarified “I don’t know for sure. I’m guessing.”

    And yet yo uclaim, when I said “The case will not be heard.” it WAS a “Lie of fabrication” (Even though it wasn’t a lie nor a fabrication) when at that point I ALREADY had said I was ” make[ing] a prediction,” that may turn out to be wrong?

    Why do I have to put “I think” in every post, and you don’t ?

    #1960856
    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“I don’t get it . why do I have to write it in every post, but you don’t?
    You said “She doesn’t believe it” and LATER clarified “I don’t know for sure. I’m guessing”

    Of course you don’t!
    I clarified my Post in the same day.

    “And yet you claim, when I said “The case will not be heard.” it WAS a “Lie of fabrication” (Even though it wasn’t a lie nor a fabrication) when at that point I ALREADY had said I was ” make[ing] a prediction,” that may turn out to be wrong?
    Why do I have to put “I think” in every post, and you don’t ?”

    Your saying “I was making a prediction”, came way before your post “The case will not be heard.”
    If this statement was just a prediction – you should have clarified that on the same day, like I did!
    This Manipulation of yours doesn’t apply to every Future Post of yours.
    It’s amazing how you can think that you Never did anything wrong.
    And when you do, you try to Manipulate e/o to think the same way!

    #1961094
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Your saying “I was making a prediction”, came way before your post “The case will not be heard.”

    yes

    Still not following, why is a clarification “way before” worse than one that occurs later? (and yours only occurred becasue I called you out on violating the nonsensical rule you invented)

    “It’s amazing how you can think that you Never did anything wrong”

    Thats not true. continuing this conversation is wrong, and frankly crazy, but what can I do it is my guilty pleasure

    #1961281
    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“Still not following, why is a clarification “way before” worse than one that occurs later? (and yours only occurred becasue I called you out on violating the nonsensical rule you invented)”

    On Jan. 7, you clarified what you meant at that time.

    But on Jan. 19 you wrote this:
    “The case will not be heard.”
    Who knows what you meant at that time?
    Your statement could be this:
    “I acknowledged that I was making a prediction that could be wrong”.
    And it could be a “Lie of Fabrication”.
    No one knows what you meant on Jan. 19, but you want e/o to assume that you meant the same thing what you posted on Jan.7.
    It’s extremely Absurd to think e/o knows what you meant without clarification!

    The way things work, if you aren’t trying to manipulate people, is to clarify your statements!
    I actually think you were doing a “Lie of Fabrication”, but your trying to get out of it by further using Manipulation Tactics!

    #1961322
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Who knows what you meant at that time?”

    I meant that the supreme court would decline to hear the case . Which is waht I said, AND is what happened

    I said it as clearly as I could: ““The case will not be heard” short succinct, to the point. and 100% accurate.

    It was not a lie, as has been pointed out over and over.

    It doesnt sound like you have any new information t oadd, nor are you willing to stop lying

    When new information pops up (eg in Sydney Powel”s case) I will update you
    Until then unless you would like to apologize for wrongly calling me a liar, Or would like to respond to my questions to help you understand why your “understanding” of “lie of fabrication” ifs at best faulty, Or If you have any new information to add, I’ll let yo uhave the last word

    Knowing my costumers, this is goodbye for now (Yes this is a prediction and no it doesn’t become a prediction only becasue I labeled it as such)

    #1961344
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    Participant

    Ubiq -“I meant that the supreme court would decline to hear the case . Which is waht I said, AND is what happened
    I said it as clearly as I could: ““The case will not be heard” short succinct, to the point. and 100% accurate.
    It was not a lie, as has been pointed out over and over.”

    It’s not a Lie when you’re using a regular dictionary, but I told you time after time, it’s a Psychological Definition.
    In other words, people who do these types of things, have some sort of Psychological Disorder!

    I’ll repeat it – in case you or someone else forgot the Definition:
    “From Psychology.wikia.com
    “Fabrication –
    A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth.”

    #1961882
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Health

    Thanks for providing new information

    (I’m ignoring the previous post, since IT provided no new information just repeated the same debunked idea over and over I rpplied to it dozens of times you cant ignore my reply and expect me to keep repeating myself)

    On this thread: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/democrats-cheated-biden-won-2

    You wrote That it was ok for a “Goyish prophet” to say that “that within a month [from 3/18], Trump will be President again.” even though he says for sure because he claims to be a prophet.

    I have lots of questions.

    when by 4/18 (a month from the above post) Trump will not be President, will this prophet have lied? *

    If I tell you I’m a prophet then my correct predictions, are no longer “lies of fabrication” because I’m a prophet who is qualified to make predictions correct? It is only because they were educated guesses (based on fact and reason) that they are “lies of fabrication” even if true. IS this correct?

    *I am telling you this with as near certainty as humanly possible. That Trump will not be President in a month.
    Is THIS another “lie of fabrication” of mine? (even if true)

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