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  • #761631
    popa_bar_abba
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    I like when the argument gets to be about who is greater.

    Well, welcome to Judaism, baby.

    #761632
    2qwerty
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    So you are saying Rav Moshe was greater than Chazon Ish?

    #761633
    popa_bar_abba
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    #761634
    shlishi
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    In Orchos Rabbeinu (vol. 1, p. 170) it is stated that the Chazon Ish did not even allow a child to utilize the eruv and carry in Bnei Brak on Shabbos.

    #761635
    2qwerty
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    Yes but I’m applying his general logic to brooklyn eruv. Also, what about a case where Rav Moshe allowed an old woman to use a walking stick in brooklyn?

    #761636
    david1999
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    “In Orchos Rabbeinu (vol. 1, p. 170) it is stated that the Chazon Ish did not even allow a child to utilize the eruv and carry in Bnei Brak on Shabbos.”

    #761637
    Feif Un
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    In terms of major poskim from the BY area, almost all of them agreed with R’ Moshe about the eruv. Some were because they learned through the sugyah, and others just relied on R’ Moshe’s opinion.

    R’ Tuvia Goldstein zt”l, after learning through the sugyah, held that the eruv was kosher. However, out of respect for R’ Moshe, he did not use it, and encouraged others not to rely on it either. The difference would be when there was a case where the circumstances dictated that you could rely on a heter which is not always relied on, but not be mechalel Shabbos outright. According to R’ Moshe, you could not use the eruv. According to R’ Tuvia, you could.

    I heard this from a talmud muvhak of R’ Tuvia zt”l.

    #761638
    cherrybim
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    Your argument might have some credibility if you held like Rav Moshe and and Rav Belsky in all cases; even when they are meikel.

    Again, this argument might have some credibility if you followed majority rulings in all cases.

    #761639
    david1999
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    #761640
    shmooze1
    Member

    If you don’t hold for the eruv and you davin in a Shul where people who hold for the eruv bring in additional food for the kiddish can you eat of that food?

    #761641
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    No. You can’t eat it even if you do hold of the eruv.

    I would say it has the din of meizid.

    #761642
    shmooze1
    Member

    If you don’t hold from the eruv and you daven in a Shul where people who hold from the eruv bring in additional food for the kiddish can you eat of that food?

    If they are ready to lain the Torah and it is found to be posul, and they bring in a Torah from another Shul, can I be yotzay the laining from that Torah?

    #761643
    cherrybim
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    “If you don’t hold from the eruv and you daven in a Shul where people who hold from the eruv bring in additional food for the kiddish can you eat of that food?”

    popa_bar_abba – “No…I would say it has the din of meizid.”

    popa_bar_abba – And will you drink wine that eruv carriers m’chalalei shabbos touch, and will you eat from their shchita or their cholent, can they lead the davening for you, and will you learn Torah from them or will you throw their s’farim into the trash?

    #761644
    popa_bar_abba
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    And will you drink wine that eruv carriers m’chalalei shabbos touch, and will you eat from their shchita or their cholent, can they lead the davening for you, and will you learn Torah from them or will you throw their s’farim into the trash?

    I don’t know the halachos for all of those.

    Seems like shechita is a problem. YD 2:5

    #761645
    WolfishMusings
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    Well, I guess you can throw me in the trash. I don’t use the eruv, but I don’t have a problem with those that do either.

    The Wolf

    #761646
    tumill
    Member

    popa_bar_abba

    “I don’t know the halachos for all of those.

    Seems like shechita is a problem. YD 2:5″

    #761647
    tumill
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    tumill

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    popa_bar_abba

    “I don’t know the halachos for all of those.

    Seems like shechita is a problem. YD 2:5″

    See the hakdama(intruction) to the Mishnah BERURAH hilchos S

    #761648
    tumill
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    tumill

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    popa_bar_abba

    “I don’t know the halachos for all of those.

    Seems like shechita is a problem. YD 2:5″

    See the hakdama(introduction) to the Mishnah BERURAH hilchos Shabbos “if he peforms shechitah ,even if another Jew stands beside him supervising that the shechitah be done according to law,his shechitah nevertheless renders the animal a full-fledged neveylah.The reason is that he is not considered to be “one who has been commanded in the mitzvah of slaughtering etc.

    I don’t know if this applies today, because now days we usually don’t know who the Shochet is and they have their Rabonim who are telling them that it is OK to carry.

    #761649
    popa_bar_abba
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    I assume the kashrus agencies look into the acceptability of the shochtim. I don’t pretend to know all the details that go into this.

    Generally, there is a ???? ????? that we all have. We can probably rely on chazaka that they don’t use it.

    Besides, the shochtim don’t usually live in Brooklyn. They live in places like Iowa.

    #761650
    tumill
    Member

    popa_bar_abba

    “Besides, the shochtim don’t usually live in Brooklyn. They live in places like Iowa.”

    Yes, but when he comes back home to Brooklyn he carries in the eruv.

    #761651
    cherrybim
    Participant

    There are many shoctim living in Boro Park who carry on Shabbos in opposition to Rav Moshe’s shita and I am not aware of any ban on their sh’chita.

    #761653
    david1999
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    #761654

    i want a new eruv in brooklyn new york

    #761655

    why man woman carry on a non kosher boropark eruv

    #761656
    david1999
    Member

    HERSHY57712011 –

    The eruv is kosher, so there is no need for a new one.

    #761662
    goody613
    Member

    lol

    thanks popa!

    #761663
    david1999
    Member

    I guess the censoring is starting. Its comical when people have nothing to answer they start complaining.

    #761666
    cherrybim
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    david1999 – censoring is right. I responded to achosid’s post, which did get past the mod’s in the other post, but that was not to be seen. This post will probably go the same way.

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