December 31, 2008 5:05 am at 5:05 am #1040627
just turned 20.. when I said I was her age I meant in the “postsem” way.. Btw why you shocked?December 31, 2008 5:05 am at 5:05 am #1040628
This kind of girl conversation, as seen above, is another good reason girls (of all ages) should be banned from having cell phones.December 31, 2008 6:22 am at 6:22 am #1040629
joseph, really hope you’re jokingDecember 31, 2008 9:46 am at 9:46 am #1040630jewishfeminist02Member
Joseph, for once, I’m speechless.December 31, 2008 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #1040631
beacon, I never jest.December 31, 2008 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #1040632Proud JewMember
Why did it suddenly become so URGENT for a teenage girl to have a cell. How about 10-15 years ago when nobody had, are there today less incidents because of this? Just the opposite!
as a matter of fact, the cell phone can and brings HORRIBLE problems for the community. And if u think your child is safer with a cell, U SHOULD KNOW the opposite is true.
And the DANGER is growing by the day, as technology does.December 31, 2008 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1040633
jf02, I’m glad to have shut you up. 🙂December 31, 2008 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1040634jewishfeminist02Member
When nobody had cell phones, they weren’t necessary, just like when nobody had cars, they weren’t necessary. But ask anyone (outside of NY, DC, or Israel, where the public transportation systems are widespread and efficient) if they could get around without a car. The way society functions is that when nobody has these convenience items, we all get along just fine, but once people start buying them, sooner or later everyone will have to follow suit. Just look at the Amish in America. Even they have cell phones! (Against their will, really, but they had to cave eventually.) Maybe it’s good, maybe it’s bad, but that’s the way the world works- teenage girls (and boys!) included.December 31, 2008 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1040635
Very sweet. Thanks.December 31, 2008 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #1040636WolfishMusingsParticipant
This kind of girl conversation, as seen above, is another good reason girls (of all ages) should be banned from having cell phones.
This kind of sweeping generalization, as seen above, is another good reason that people should think before they speak.
You really think that all females, of all ages, are incapable of using a telephone responsibly?
The WolfDecember 31, 2008 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #1040637
I am truly impressed with your sense of humor. 🙂December 31, 2008 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1040638
There are 10 measures of speach in the world. Women got 9 and men got the remaining 1. So…. I guess it is a gift from Hashem that we speak so much.December 31, 2008 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1040639
Joseph was making a joke,
Not everyone is incapable of using a phoen responsibly, but it does make it easier for pp to do something wrong when they have it.December 31, 2008 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1040640
Phones were ALWAYS necessary – they just were not available to the general public. Cars are necessary, washing machines – VERY necessary, especially with all those large families, vaccinations are necessary, baby sonograms are necessary nowadays to screen for potential, preventable birth defects, COMPUTERS ARE NECESSARY, etc. etc. etc. Many things are necessities in this day and age that were not even dreamed of decades ago. At first when they came out, they were viewed as luxuries. it is no longer the case.
When my kids were growing up, all their classmates had home computers. We did not, because a) we could not afford them and b) we had no idea how to use them. My kids worked very, very hard to get their homework done in time, but the truth is that they struggled UNNECESSARILY, when everyone else had it much easier. Given the huge amount of work our kids got (and for those who disagree with me, look at it this way – the less time they had to spend in doing things by hand, the more time they would have had to learn Torah), life was constantly spent on this project or that, with no end in sight. They couldn’t use their friends’ computers, because there was always someone using them in their families. Beleive me, I was absolutely thrilled when someone generously gave me his used computer. Even from the standpoint of simple word processing for written reports, life became so much easier.
We got along without lots of things in our day. But Boruch Hashem we DON’T HAVE TO anymore.December 31, 2008 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #1040641
who cares if Joseph was joking or not? just ignore him and move on.
postsem – i wasn’t in sem with you. if you’re my age i might know you anyway, though.December 31, 2008 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1040642myshadowMember
Gosh why is this thread still going. Nobody is going to read it and say ya know what YWN is right I’m getting rid of my phone. Personally my parents want me to have a cell, when I’m out at night (college) when I’m on dates…girls need it. periodDecember 31, 2008 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #1040643
myshadow – you bring your phone on dates? wow talk about obsessed. can’t you give the guy a few hours of you UNDIVIDED attention???December 31, 2008 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1040644
I try to leave it off of me just to have some free time, and I do not bring it on dates, I just bring money but thats itDecember 31, 2008 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1040645
Judging by the sheer volume of posts across all topics and the frequency with which they appear, I think it is a safe bet that of the 10 measures of blogging that came down to this world Joseph and Brooklyn19 scopped up 9.5 shares and left the remaining half a share for every one else.December 31, 2008 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1040646
“There are 10 measures of speach in the world. Women got 9 and men got the remaining 1. So…. I guess it is a gift from Hashem that we speak so much.”
That’s only because Hashem saw what Adam Harishon did with the measure of speech that He gave him. First, Adam lied to Chava about what Hashem commanded them, THEN when they sinned, he complained to Hashem that all his tzoros were because of the woman (the precious gift, mind you) that Hashem gave him. So he was both a liar AND an ingrate. We women may talk a lot, but what we have to say is worth hearing!!!!!! (I’m just sayin’….)December 31, 2008 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1040647
it does not matter if not EVERY girl shrieks or not, the fact is that some (or even most) do, and they are wrong. As far as the coffee room and talking to members of the opposite gender, I do hear your point but there is one small difference. Im sure this has been said a million times but if you text s/o there is a very likely chance that you know them on some sort of personal level ( their name, number and so on) making it more personal, while here it is completely (and rightly so) anonymous.
Another point- people who have addictive personalities and have a cell and can text, surf or do whatever else are just setting themselves to become hoplessly hooked. In todays world of modern technology we are ironically staying in touch more and communicating less.December 31, 2008 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #1040648
lol oomis – put that on the humor threadDecember 31, 2008 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #1040649chaimssParticipant
I think what’s happening is that everyone’s seen people who have gone off/met a guy/girl through a phone, and others are seeing people who have had phones and are fine.
Again, from being there and doing that, it really depends on where you’re holding. If you’re on a level where you’d never dream of contacting the other gender, having a cell phone, even with messaging, won’t change that. If you would, you’ll find a way around the controls your parents give you, no matter whether you have a phone or not. The only ones who might be influenced one way or another are those on the fence. The ones who only follow because they have to, not because they understand why they should. So give them the free reign and they’ll break the chain.
So it really all depends on the person. And the reality is, people do need cell phones these days, and if you don’t give it to them, they may just become more resentful of you.December 31, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #1040650
I guess you are right but that does not make any difference if it’s a boy or girl. What is an addictive personallity?
I don’t know about that.December 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #1040651
An addictive personality is a person who would become addicted to any of a number of things that are available – whether they are alcohol, smoking, drugs, food, internet use, you name it. Anyone who abuses any of these things, is usually found to have a similar personality trait in common with others who are addicted to something. There is something lacking in the person’s self-esteem makeup, that directs that person to abuse something that makes them feel temporarily better. It becomes a problem, when it becomes a PROBLEM.January 1, 2009 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1040652
I think anyone can become addicted to anthing. I don’t think it has to do with self esteem. Is this a real theory? I think psycologists make these things up in order to make money.January 1, 2009 12:39 am at 12:39 am #1040653
“I think anyone can become addicted to anthing. I don’t think it has to do with self esteem. Is this a real theory? I think psycologists make these things up in order to make money. “
Yes, it is. And that does not mean that you are not right, too… But in truth, if you look at the types of people who become drug abusers, alcoholics, involved in pritzus, it is obvious that they have at some point felt a lack in themselves. Of course there are exceptions to every rule.January 1, 2009 1:19 am at 1:19 am #1040654Josh31Participant
Cell phones are here to stay (barring a nuclear war chas v’sholom). For the younger generation, they have become the primary means of social communication. Taking away someone’s phone is like putting them in social excommunication. The primary reason a Metzorah (Leviticus 13) who is banished from all 3 “camps” (Leviticus 13:46) is considered like a dead person (see Numbers 12:12) is because of the social isolation.
As with the power of speech, there are many pitfalls with the cell phone. We much educate our children both on the proper use of speech and proper use of cell phones.
There are also the financial pitfalls associated with cell phones discussed much earlier in this thread, that our children must be made aware of.January 1, 2009 2:08 am at 2:08 am #1040655
oomis- i beg to differ. An addictive personality has zilch to do w/ self esteem- it has to do with how the person is wired inside that causes them to react and become dependent, or addicted, to a substance or behavior. You can have two people pick up a cigarette and one says “very nice” and the other is hooked. Nothing to do w/ self esteem. what causes the person to engage in the potentially addictive action in the first place, however, may be because of an esteem issue,but that is a different discussion.
Josh31- No one is saying to bar cellphones- they are just trying to alert you to the potential dangers. just as noone is an advocate of banning cars, there has to be a certain responsibility that comes along w/ owning a cell phone.
if all phones were purely talk (like the original “car phones”) I dont think there would even be a discussion.January 1, 2009 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1040656
I guess you are right.January 1, 2009 4:10 am at 4:10 am #1040657jinglebellsMember
cell phones are everywhere and will always be and will just get more advanced there is no way out. we can teach and talk to our kids for forever but bottom line they are anot going away and we have to deal with it.we have to face facts that no matter how many times we say no the kids will want them more and more!!January 1, 2009 4:13 am at 4:13 am #1040658
jinglebells??? what kinda name is that????January 1, 2009 4:18 am at 4:18 am #1040659Bais Yaakov maydelParticipant
jbells, whats with your user nameJanuary 1, 2009 4:20 am at 4:20 am #1040660qwertyuiopMember
i was wondering the sameJanuary 1, 2009 4:20 am at 4:20 am #1040661
a brand new oneJanuary 1, 2009 4:24 am at 4:24 am #1040662
you think it’s Darwin? lol such a type.January 1, 2009 4:29 am at 4:29 am #1040663
bells, please go to the forum of usernames and explain yourself, I dont know if you know that yw is a Jewish website, just btw…January 1, 2009 4:31 am at 4:31 am #1040664
Nah Darwin wasn’t from illinoisJanuary 1, 2009 4:36 am at 4:36 am #1040665asdfghjklParticipant
brooklyn19: now that you say it, it is!!!
btw saw a guy today reading a magazine & the cover headline was evalution!!! i was trying so hard not to laugh, cause i was thinkin abt darwin in the cr!!!!!January 1, 2009 4:47 am at 4:47 am #1040666
you know you’re in trouble when you apply the CR to your real life instead of the other way around.
lol shall i put that on that long lost thread??? (i forgot what it’s even called!!!)January 1, 2009 4:50 am at 4:50 am #1040667YW Moderator-72Participant
perhaps you are looking for this thread:January 1, 2009 4:53 am at 4:53 am #1040668
hey thanks mod. lol i’m gonna copy it over.January 1, 2009 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1040669KeepinEntertainedMember
addiction is when someone becomes physically dependent and then psychologically dependent on a substance. it involves them being dependent on the substance and that they crave it as well as feeling symptons of withdrawal when lacking that substance. yes, many people are addicted to their cell phones but i dont know if we should clinically term cell phones “addictive” in the same way we would title a alcohol or smoking addiction…unless anyone here would experience severe nausea, or have a pounding headache or feel shaky until they have their morning rounds of texting…or how many peolpe how an extreme urge to pick up their phone as soon as they peek open their eyes, just like some people need their coffee to get out of bed?
yes, alot of people are connected to their phones and it appears to be glued to them but the amount of people who are severly addictive (i hope) isnt so big.
and i dont know how much self esteem is connected because many people who have high self esteems have alcohol or coffee addictions…they get pleasure from it and need it to start their days…but could be it has some connection.January 1, 2009 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1040670
I’m not so sure addiction is the right word. Nothing better to do is probably more like it.January 1, 2009 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1040671
re: all the fuss about Jingle Bells’ username. For the record, though I would not use that name myself, there is NOTHING non-Jewish about it. The song Jingle Bells is a WINTER, not x-mas song, though clearly it is sung at this time of year.
If you check out the lyrics of the song, there is no reference to anything of the non-Jewish holiday, to the fat man in the red suit, or anything offensive. It is a seasonal song. People sometimes get offended for things that they perceive, before knowing if what they perceive is the fact. Hevei dan….etc.January 1, 2009 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1040672
oomis – we know nothing’s wrong with it. but why would anyone chose a name like that? they know what the first thing that comes to mind will be… what kinda message is this “jinglebells” person trying to relay?January 1, 2009 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1040673
I wouldn’t think about it too much, brooklyn. It was probably done on purpose just to get people to talk about itJanuary 1, 2009 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #1040674KeepinEntertainedMember
omy…look how the convo goes…from cell phones…to addictions…to jingle bells!!! wowwowwow! wats next?January 1, 2009 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1040675
Ever heard of Internet addiction? It is a recognized addiction and I heard that the first “detox” center opened up to treat it- i think it was in California. Gambling is also an addiction, yet ppl dont do it the minute they open their eyes. It occupies their mind the whole day and night and they have a drive compelling them to gamble. I deffinitely think the same could apply to cells.January 1, 2009 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1040676
I think the name he really wanted was jinglebelz, but that was already taken and jinglebobov didnt sound roight.
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