Shavuos Night For Girls

One year I studied for finals but the rest I slept.

Last year in Israel I stayed up all night going to speeches, and that was very meaningful. Then again that was Israel. This year I’m planning on staying up trying to learn stuff to help make Shavuos more meaningful, ’till I get tired. We’ll see how it goes.

No, just advising the best course of action for the gentler gender.

How is it pikuach nefesh?

In your community some women also participate in the rabbinate.

Joseph – Your on a roll tonight!

The lectures in my shul are open to everyone.

I will be home sleeping. I’m due today and there is no way I can survive on no sleep.

If a girl wants to stay up all night doing anything that will inspire her to be closer to G-d, then she should do it. If a girl wants to sleep, then she should do that.

Although probably retrograde in many precincts, there used to be a very sweet practice among the Yekkes on Shavuot night. The men went to learn and in the middle of the night, unmarried girls would gather to serve refreshments, giving eligible bachelors an opportunity to acquaint themselves with prospective shidduchim.

The men went to learn and in the middle of the night, unmarried girls would gather to serve refreshments, giving eligible bachelors an opportunity to acquaint themselves with prospective shidduchim.

… and making it very difficult for the men to concentrate on their learning.

“The men went to learn and in the middle of the night, unmarried girls would gather to serve refreshments, giving eligible bachelors an opportunity to acquaint themselves with prospective shidduchim.”

“… and making it very difficult for the men to concentrate on their learning.”

I will not mention any names in case some take this the wrong way(though some may know of whom I speak) there was mashgiach of a well known yeshiva that was asked to ban the practice of women coming to watch the men dance on purim because of pritzus. The mashgiach said to the contrary-this way the men dance better- and in your example, the men will learn better.

BSD: Don’t shlep the Mashgiach into your bad comparisons.

Pac-Man: dach zuch as der masgiach hut dir gemaint!

“In your community some women also participate in the rabbinate.”

Joe, that was a good one. Sorry Charlie.

“It is the latest krumkeit and is totally wrong. Women and girls belong at home dealing with house things – the meal, kids etc.”

“I wish when people write these things they would add in my opinion, since there is no halacha backing this up.”

I personally know of multiple Gedolei Roshei Yeshivos who said that when women publicly practice a religous something that is solely in the domain of the men, (ie laining, shavuos night learning, etc), the motivation is wanting to be equal to – the same as – men. Women who are truly religously motivated l’shaim shamayim do their thing without any fanfare or political statement. There are many stories about the rebbetzins of gedolim throughout the generations who did all kinds of things. However, specifically in regards to shavuos, there is no basis whatsoever for the women to stay up all night learning. That does not mean that it is intrinsically asur. However, if it could/will? lead to even the slightest argument with her husband, if she’ll be in a worse mood on shavuos, etc, then she’ll be worse off for doing so. The feminist movement doesn’t understand the idea of different yet equal. HASHEM gave men things to do and gave women things to do. (One went as far as to say that a woman who wants to have, for example, a womens minyan is lying when she says the bracha of she’asani kirtzono because she clearly is jealous of the avodah given to men.) There is unlimited room for real spiritual growth within the framework of mitzvos given to women. Do these same women also strive to work on their middos with the same zeal? Usually not. Just as a woman should not be yearning to express her religous fervor through putting on tefillin, a woman should not look to staying up all night on shavuos as a means to spiritual fulfillment. Furthermore, there are shitos that hold that a man who will have his davening negatively impacted as a result of staying up all night should not. And the nashim tzidkaniyos who have stayed up all night were on a pretty high madreigah who already were tremendous baalei middos etc.

Daas Yochid

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The men went to learn and in the middle of the night, unmarried girls would gather to serve refreshments, giving eligible bachelors an opportunity to acquaint themselves with prospective shidduchim.

… and making it very difficult for the men to concentrate on their learning

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Not every distraction is necessarily a bad thing; especially if it leads to successful matches.

“”In your community some women also participate in the rabbinate.”

Yes, in my community women learn Hilchot Shabat, Hilchot Kashrut, Hilchot Taharat Hamishpachah, and Hilchot Aveilut — all halachot for which they are chayev — and can get acknowledged for that learning. Some then teach and answer questions from other women. There is nothing wrong with this! You’d rather have women who are ignorant of these mitzvot?

I will stuuudy and stuuuudy and stuuuuuudy for a huuuuge dinim final!!

twister: It is hardly inaccurate when Charlie literally admitted, ironically enough in the comment immediately preceding yours, stating “Yes” that his community indeed has women participating in the rabbinate. It is too bad for you that his comment didn’t appear before you submitted yours.

in defense of pacman

i interpreted the response as he did

charlie quoted: “In your community some women also participate in the rabbinate.”

then he answered: “Yes”

he did go on to describe how women in his community learn certain Halachos, making the “yes” somewhat ambiguous, but he did answer “yes” in response to a direct question.

Exactly as Mod-80 said (thank you). Additionally, Charlie has previously stated on this forum that he is a member and congregant at the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, led by Rabbi Avi Weiss and “Rabba” Sara Hurwitz.

Indeed, somehow Charlie equates learning halachos that any beis yaakov student or yeshiva bochur learns as being part f the rabbinate.

I think that defines what he thinks is the rabbinate. And if that is the rabbinate, what do those who are not of the rebbinate know of halacha?

Oy

Why, did they only allow “slightly older” girls to serve refreshments?

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I didn’t say “slightly older girls” I said “unmarried girls.”

nishtdayn: If you think that every bais yaakov girl learns their halachos from the shulchan oruch (leaving the rest of the acharonim out of it) you’re in dream land. If you think that yeshiva bochurim know halacha as well as a bais yaakov girl of the same age, you’re beyond dream land and I’d like some of what you used to get there.