June 19, 2013 1:19 am at 1:19 am #609716
Does anyone know the wealthiest Jews, as of public knowledge, like on forbs billionares list, etc.
I saw that Reb Yehuda Rechnitz was interviewed on Larry King’s new show as a model philanthropist. What is his estimated net worth?
How about R’ Hershy Friedman, who has given hundreds of millions to tzedaka?June 19, 2013 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1029923
James and Meryl Tisch
Mark CubanJune 19, 2013 1:55 am at 1:55 am #1029924
I meant frum jewsJune 19, 2013 2:16 am at 2:16 am #1029925
There are no Orthodox Jews on the Forbes list. Your question asked about Jews; people that aren’t Orthodox are still Jewish, and many of these philanthropists finance all kinds of Jewish causes and charities.June 19, 2013 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1029926
I meant frum jews
Sorry, I meant: “Sorry, I meant frum Jews”
(Also, I think Ira Rennert is frum, along with some others there- do you know for sure that there are no other frum Jews on forbes billionares)June 19, 2013 2:52 am at 2:52 am #1029927yitzchokmParticipant
there is at least one i know ofJune 19, 2013 2:54 am at 2:54 am #1029928yitzchokmParticipant
…..not tellingJune 19, 2013 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1029929
I don’t think Adelson is Orthodox, although he finances a lot of causes that many frum Jews hold by. And James Tisch is on the board of the Mesorah Foundation, which gave the world the Artscroll Gemara. His name is printed at the beginning of each Artscroll Shas volume.June 19, 2013 3:37 am at 3:37 am #1029931SaysMeMember
this sounds like ayin-hora material…June 19, 2013 3:37 am at 3:37 am #1029932SaysMeMember
this sounds like ayin-hora material… Bad ideaJune 19, 2013 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #1029933WIYMember
Bad idea for a thread.June 20, 2013 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1029934apushatayidParticipant
“Greatest Frum Jewish Philanthropists”….
….Are the ones you never heard of.June 20, 2013 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1029935WIYMember
+ 1June 20, 2013 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1029936
Who says the ones we never heard of are the greatest?
It’s a Mitzvah to be an outward roll model.June 21, 2013 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1029937
“I don’t think Adelson is Orthodox, although he finances a lot of causes that many frum Jews hold by.”
He makes his money from gambling, an occupation Jews are supposed to avoid, and his casinos are open on Shabat and serve non-kosher food. He does give a lot of money from his ill-gotten gains to Jewish causes but he gave spent even more in an unsuccessful attempt to elect Mitt Romney President of the US.June 21, 2013 3:14 am at 3:14 am #1029938
“James Tisch is on the board of the Mesorah Foundation”
Much (not all) of the Tisch family fortune comes from selling tobacco, which kills millions every year.June 21, 2013 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1029939
Howard Jonas is a frum billionaire who lives in my neighborhood. Actually, I may need to amend that statement as he has given away so much money he may have lost his billionaire status. The HQ of his main business venture, IDT, has a synagogue; he has a son and a son-in-law who are rabbis. He is also a total mensch and hosts huge numbers of Jews for Shabat.June 21, 2013 5:01 am at 5:01 am #1029940
Adelson is a major benefactor of the Birthright Israel, MASA, and other such programs, for better or worse. Ssdly, lots of unkosher money exists. How many frum institutions were built with money from people like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel (whose names are on the Le Zecher Olam boards at Orthodox synagogues), or from people like Milton Balkany, Samuel Hiller, and countless others who broke the law?June 21, 2013 5:27 am at 5:27 am #1029942
I do admit that if Romney would actually have been elected, I would have had no idea what zchus Adelson would have had in being a part of one of the greatest Chasodim G-d did for the Jewish People in recent memory.June 21, 2013 7:42 am at 7:42 am #1029943jewishfeminist02Member
The ones we never heard of are the greatest because they are practicing the highest form of tzedakah.
I read a children’s book when I was young about a rich man in town who was known for being stingy. Schools, shuls, and other Jewish organizations would approach him for money year after year and he wouldn’t give a cent. Eventually he died, and that week the soup kitchens were inundated with poor people he had supported without anyone’s knowledge.June 21, 2013 10:24 am at 10:24 am #1029944
However, Howard Jonas has contributed money to the great bizayon haTorah and michshoilim, YCT and yeshivas Maharat.
Much worse than making money gambling or selling cigarettes.
Then you had those great donors to YU, Madoff and Merkin, who took more money in fees for investment advice from YU than they ever gave. An arrangement that somehow had not been disclosed on the 990 for years although they were interested parties. And we now know what that advice really consisted of.June 21, 2013 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1029945
It’s a complete fallacy that Adelson spent more on Romney’s campaign than he does on charity. He gives and has been giving close to $50 million a year for birthright and MASA each year for years.
Some basic arithmetic and research skills would be helpful.June 21, 2013 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1029946yaakov doeParticipant
There are quite a few frum Yiddin that give millions anually, but unlike Bloomberg and Adelson they live quiet lives in the community and shun publicity.June 21, 2013 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #1029947pinnymMember
WHAT ABOUT “FRESHWATER” FROM LONDON?June 21, 2013 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #1029948DaMosheParticipant
The Lowinger family has helped build many yeshivos. Mesivta Chaim Shlomo (part of Darchei Torah) in Far Rockaway was built by a Lowinger. I believe Torah Temimah has a Lowinger’s name on the building.
There’s also a well known yeshiva in Brooklyn which has a very wealthy benefactor, but unfortunately, he wasn’t always honest about paying employees – mainly one, who went to Beis Din over it. The benefactor (who is employed by the yeshiva) refused to respond to the hazmanah (along with the Rosh Yeshiva).June 21, 2013 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1029949batsevenParticipant
Umm.. I don’t think its ok to post names of real yidden who are wealthy. Its just not appropriate.
Nothing good will come out of this.June 21, 2013 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1029950
One sentiment expressed in Hazal is the notion of giving tzedakah secretly, so as to not be a hypocrite and seek glory for one’s generosity. The inyan of “not giving alms before men” is expressed in Bava Batra 10b: What kind of charity is that which delivers a man from an unnatural death? When a man gives without knowing to whom he gives. and the beggar receives without knowing from whom he receives. Tosafot even say that this type of giving has the potential to save the giver from Gehenim.June 21, 2013 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1029951DaMosheParticipant
batseven: So it’s ok to plaster their names all over the front of the yeshiva buildings and honor them at dinners for their donations, but it’s not ok to post the names here?June 21, 2013 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1029952
Did they ask you to post their names here?
Perhaps even you can grasp the difference.June 21, 2013 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #1029953
“It’s a complete fallacy that Adelson spent more on Romney’s campaign than he does on charity. He gives and has been giving close to $50 million a year for birthright and MASA each year for years.
Some basic arithmetic and research skills would be helpful. “
We know of $92,796,625 that Adelson and his wife gave to Republican candidates and political action committees last election from public records. (It took me less than five minutes of internet searches to find that number.) And that doesn’t count unknown tens of millions of dollars they gave to 501(c)(4) groups that don’t have to report their donors. I could give links but the site does not permit it.June 21, 2013 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #1029954
” Howard Jonas has contributed money to the great bizayon haTorah and michshoilim, YCT and yeshivas Maharat.”
I attended the Yeshivat Maharat commencement last week and Mr. Jonas’ name did not appear on the contributors list.
“Much worse than making money gambling or selling cigarettes.”
Supporting Orthodox Yeshivot like YCT is a mitzvah. Making money by gambling or selling things that kill Jews is asur. How many Jewish lives have been ruined by Mr. Adelson’s casinos, and how many Jewish lives have been ended Mr. Tisch’s tobacco? YCT alumni bring people to Torah, giving them life.June 21, 2013 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #1029955popa_bar_abbaParticipant
YCT alumni bring people to Torah, giving them life.
lololJune 21, 2013 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #1029956
“How many frum institutions were built with money from people like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel”
The Florida Jewish Museum in Miami Beach is a former synagogue that had Meyer Lansky as a member; he supposedly contributed much money to the shul. Lansky himself always insisted that he lost virtually his entire wealth to Castro.June 21, 2013 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1029957zahavasdadParticipant
“How many frum institutions were built with money from people like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel”
In the bialystock synagogue there is a memorial Plaque to Benjamin (Bugsy) Siegel right below his father Max Siegel.June 23, 2013 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1029958midwesternerParticipant
I know a gentleman in an out of town community who made a celebration recently to mark a milestone. He had reach one quarter billion distributed to tzedaka over his lifetime.June 23, 2013 8:16 am at 8:16 am #1029959
Rav Mordechai Gifter zt”l sated he did not like the term orthodox and preferred the term “torah Jews”.
YCT proves Rav Gifter zt”l correct.
They might be “orthodox” what ever that means.
But they have no idea what the Torah is.June 23, 2013 11:43 am at 11:43 am #1029960
“I attended the Yeshivat Maharat commencement”
A chilul Hashem of the first order ???. How can write this? Have you no shame? This is so painful to read.
YCT is worse than gambling or cigarettes for a number of reasons, YCT is causing spiritual death causing people to be ?????????. YCT and Maharat specifically target Jewish people to harm (although I am sure that they will ordain non Jews very shortly, but they will place these people in Jewish congregations were they will do their harm).
On top of that, supporting YCT is worse because the support is provided directly to spiritual terrorists. And while some of Tisch and Adelson’s money may come from sources that you don’t like, the sources are legal and its doubtful whether there is any ????? involved, your made up protestations not withstanding, the support is not to organizations that actively seek to destroy yiddishkeit.
Even the non religious birthright tours, which have gained somewhat of an unsavory reputation because of what goes on between many of the young adults, is not designed for that purpose and does in fact bring a number of participants back to yiddishkeit or at a mon prevents intermarriage.June 23, 2013 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #1029961zahavasdadParticipant
Adelson’s money mostly comes from a Casino in Macau. I doubt many jews gamble in MacauJune 23, 2013 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm #1029963
“How can write this?”
I was correcting someone’s facts and explaining how I knew it.
” YCT is causing spiritual death causing people to be ?????????.”
And precisely how are Rabbis Weiss, Lopatin, Linzer, Helfgot, Katz, and Love apikorsim? Has any of them ever denied Torah Mi Sinai? Or any of Rambam’s 13 ikkarim? (Not that the Orthodox world follow’s all of them.) Are any of them anything other than careful in observant of all mitzvot that apply to them? Rabbis Lopatin and Helfgot are featured on the Rabbinical Council of America official web site; are you saying that the Rabbinical Council of America is composed of apikorsim?.
“Adelson’s money mostly comes from a Casino in Macau. “
His company also owns casinos in Las Vegas, NV, and in Bethlehem, PA.June 23, 2013 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1029964
Advisory Board of Yeshivat Chovevei Torah (from their web site):
Rabbi Yehuda Amital, zt”l, Founding Rosh HaYeshiva, Yeshivat Har Etzion
Rabbi Saul J. Berman
Rabbi Yoel Bin-Nun, Rosh haYeshiva, Yeshivat HaKibbutz HaDati
Rabbi Yehuda Gilad, Rosh HaYeshiva, Yeshivat Ma’alei Gilboa
Rabbi Dr. Rafael Grossman, The Fort Lee Shul – Fort Lee, NJ
Rabbi Menachem Hakohen, Chief Rabbi of Romania
Rabbi Dr. Benny Ish-Shalom, Founder & Director, Beit Morasha
Rabbi Meir Lichtenstein, Yeshivat Kibbutz HaDati
Rabbi Menachem Leibtag, Director, Tanakh Study Center
Rabbi Simcha Krauss, RaM, Yeshivat Eretz HaTzvi
Rabbi Yaakov Nagen, Rosh Metivta at Yeshiva Hesder Otniel
Rabbi Shlomo Riskin, Dean, Ohr Torah Stone Institute, Chief Rabbi of Efrat
Rabbi Dr. Daniel Sperber, Professor of Judaic Studies, Bar Ilan; author of Minhagei Yisrael
Rabbi Joel Tessler, Beth Sholom Congregation – Potomac, Maryland
Some of those rabbis are among the most respected Dati Leumi rabbis anywhere. Several are prominent Roshei Yeshivot and one is Past President and current Chairman of the Executive, Council of Young Israel Rabbis in Israel. Are you calling all them apikorsim?
Yes, YCT isn’t charedi, although one of its core faculty is from a charedi background. Are you saying that all non-charedi yeshivot are full of apkiorsim?June 23, 2013 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1029965metrodriverMember
Reply to Rebdoniel (Post #4) But most of the philanthropists that you enumerated, although being Jewish themselves contribute very little to specifically Jewish organizations –which the original poster (Playtime) had in mind.June 23, 2013 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1029966writersoulMember
Ira Rennert has contributed millions to frum people and organizations. My mom, through her work, has worked with him in giving money to several yeshivos and thousands of yeshivaleit in Israel.June 23, 2013 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #1029967
Many of the are ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????, and the others are ?????????. But that is not what I said, I said they cause people to believe ?????????.
I don’t care which web site they are listed on. And the very names you bring are proof to that fact. Lopatinn great chashovis is that he has a degree in Arabic studies. That is as close to yiddishkeit as he gets.
A yeshiva whose alumni publicly support ?????. They testify in support of homosexual marriage, which according to ???? was one of the reasons there was a ????. A reason that ????? felt that the entire world had to destroyed.
That is what that place stands for, drawing down yiddishkeit to levels that even recently the most base individuals know was shameful.
How far is this from ???? ?????, I can’t pasken. But it is horrible. Worse than cigarettes for sure. Those only destroy the smoker, not the whole world.
Again, I can’t believe you proudly say that you attended that ????? ???. What happened to the Jewish trait of ?????June 23, 2013 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1029968
Sorry, Double post.June 23, 2013 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1029969
Actually Rabbi Hillel goldberg put it best.
Writing in regard to Seth Farber (one of YCT’s leading scholars, using the term very, very genorously) in Dialogue Vol. 3
“the most powerful fallacy of all is that one can advocate policies directly forbidden by the Torah and still be Orthodox. Rabbi Farber for example write “There should be no penalty in the ORthodox world for being a non-celibate homosexual jew…if G-d overlooks the inevitable 9ones rachmona patrei) so should we” G-d may overlook it after the fact to approve the performance of forbidden acts before the fact contrary to the Talmudic dictum Kol Haomer Hakodosh Boruch Hu Vatron, Yivatru Chayuv”
BTW Dialogue is a publication that has a Rabbinic Boeard consisting of Rabbi Shlomo Miller, Rabbi Aron Feldman, Rabbi Moshe Meiselmanwith the Brocha of Rav Aoron Leib Shteinman and in fact Rabbi Aron Feldman is a contributor to the issue qouted from.June 24, 2013 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1029970cherrybimParticipant
The fellows CharlieHall listed on the Advisory Board of Yeshivat Chovevei Torah as well as Avi Weiss are complete ignoramuses in Jewish and Talmudic scholarship when compared to YU Roshei Yeshiva, which include, Rabbis Moshe Tendler, Hershel Schachter, Aharon Lichtenstein, Aharon Kahn, etc. nor any of the Rabonim and Roshei Yeshiva included on the the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah. Avi Weiss and his ilk follow no masorah, and make it up as they go along.June 24, 2013 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1029971
For whatever it’s worth, someone I know who learned at both List College (JTS undergrad division) and at Eretz haTzvi has told me that R’ Dr. Joel Roth, probably the leading halakhist nowadays at JTS, is more traditional and “frum” then R’ Krauss. To me, though, this just attests to R’ Roth’s stature.
Interestingly enough, it reminds me how on the topic of artificial insemination for unmarried women, R’ Yuval Cherlow is more meikil than the head of Machon Schechter, R’ Dr. David Golinkin. R’ Cherlow allows single unmarried women to conceive babies using donor sperm, whereas R’ Golinkin does not.
In this vein, I’ve also been told by quite a few rabbis associated with the UTJ (halakhic people who broke off from JTS in the early 80s over feminist/egalitarian issues) that they perceive a lack of fealty and submission to the halakhic process among certain elements associated with Open Orthodoxy. The boundaries between the Orthodox left and the halakhic right-wing of Conservative institutions are, in all honesty, nebulous, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there is greater collaboration. Frankly, I think that fealty to halakha and not to denominations is a positive thing. Judaism is either halakhic or it’s not.
I know of a YCT musmakh, R’ Hausman, who teaches at the American Jewish University (Conservative) in Calfornia, and Mimi Feigelson, a professor there, is on the advisory board of Yeshivat Maharat.
R’ Dr. Sperber is a brilliant scholar, and his gadlut is evident in all his scholarship. So too is R’ Berman. Rabbi Marc Angel, while not on their board, has appeared in YCT promotional videos, and is very scholarly.
You’re point isn’t takeh that these rabbanim aren’t talmidei hakhamim. You’re beef is that they don’t agree with you and that they don’t hold the same way you do. You hate the fact that people could be accomplished talmidei hakhamim and still come out with different shitot than you. To quote a well-known work by a rabbi associated with this sector, “you don’t have to be wrong for me to be right.”June 24, 2013 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #1029972
Please see the above quote, where word for word is brought concerning a stement by one of YCT’s leading rabbinical products that is directly opposed to Torah.June 24, 2013 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #1029973Sam2Participant
Ben Levi: By going too far you actually hurt the proper (and necessary) arguments against YCT. Yes, there are people associated with YCT who are massive Talmidei Chachamim and who can still definitely fall within the acceptable parameters of Orthodox beliefs. Acknowledging that fact in no way changes the fact that the institution as a whole and several of its goals are entirely antithetical to Torah Judaism.June 24, 2013 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #1029974yichusdikParticipant
Having the audacity to categorize talmidei chachomim who you disagree with in such a manner as nishtdayangesheft and cherrybim do reveals that in almost 2000 years, too many of us have done NOTHING to bring sheleimus to am Yisroel and bring Moshiach tzidkeinu bimheira biyomeinu. Nothing.
I’m not a chosid of R Weiss, nor a particular fan of YCT. I’m not beholden to YU, nor to Hesder yeshivos or their roshei yeshiva.
I’ve had, b’h the opportunity to interact with some of the people on the advisory board, such as R’ Sperber, with some of the leadership of YU, including R Schachter R’ Tendler and R Lamm in his time.
I had the extraordinary experience of being fahered by R’ Aharon Lichtenstein – but also of meeting with the the Lubavitcher Rebbe zl, R’ Shlomo Halberstam the Bobover zl, with R Adin Steinzaltz, among several others.
Why do I bring these gedolim up? I’m not doing it to name drop. I am sure that there are many here who have spent their lives under the shade of atzei chayim of great lomdus.
I mention them because I recognized in meeting them that ALL of them had a number of things they have – had in common. There was a sense of peace, of sheleimus, that could be seen, heard, and felt when listening to them talk Torah; There was a genuine sense of brocho when they asked about or responded about personal or familial issues. There was a light in their eyes. ALL of them.
I’m not a chabadnik, but I am bothered by those who denounce or badmouth the worldview of the Rebbe z’l. I am not a Hesdernik, but I am troubled when illuim like R’ Amital are put down.
I guess I see value in some things that escape the posters I mentioned above. Klal Yisroel, Am Yisroel, is much greater and wider than your daled amos. Eight hundred years ago, Torah Jews who were prepared to label the Rambam’s works Apikorsus led directly to the burning of thousands of volumes of the gemoro in Paris. A hundred years ago, Torah Jews were calling Sara Shenirer’s approach to teaching girls apikorsus and worse.
There is no one with ruach hakodesh posting in the CR. (except perhaps Popa, but that’s a different issue). Without that, you are simply unqualified to make the assumptions and assertions you have, and, I might add, so would anyone be, who is not on a level to know the plans of HKBH – and no one is.
And as we begin the fast tomorrow morning, remember that there are worse things than assumed apikorsus. Exile. Destruction. Death. Persecution. And we learn that great rabonim who sat quietly while a Jew was being shamed played their part. Kal Vchomer, you should reconsider your words against a fellow Jew.
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