'Halachic Dinner" – What do you think about it?

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    newbee
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    An elegant dinner for orthodox Jews starting at $100 per person and led by Rabbi Meir Soloveichik.

    Menu- mixed greens salad topped with an esrog dressing, crispy shallot topped veal intestines stuffed with veal heart, chicken gizzards, duck liver and kidneys, truffle oil drizzled, poached brains with garbanzo beans, white pickled garlic and lemon, Moroccan cigars stuffed with duck foie gras, goat tagine with dates, dried plums, cracked Syrian olives and fava beans, braised squab with poached fennel mousseline, roasted shallots, braised artichoke hearts and fresh truffles, bison sliders with glazed onions and Israeli cracked olive paste and slow cooked ox tail with green peas and sherry wine mousseline.

    Dessert included both a dulce de leche cake in a chocolate caramel box as well as one what was undoubtedly the most exotic item of the night: Mexican chipotle chocolate covered locusts.

    #1083192

    Joseph
    Participant

    That kind of food can make a lot of people sick.

    #1083193

    Sam2
    Participant

    I’m confused: If it’s Kosher how is there veal there?

    (tongue-half-in-cheek warning)

    #1083194

    akuperma
    Participant

    1. There are rich kosher Jews in America. That they consider this “elegant” rather than “normal” suggests haven’t quite made it but are “wannabees”.

    2. Why is veal a problem? It’s just a young cow/bull. A cooked “calf” becomes “veal”.

    3. This is part of some fancy fund raising event?

    #1083195

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    sounds delicous

    hope they all feel better!

    Its been on my to do list for a while

    in keeping with “asid liten din vecheshbon al kol sheraasa eino velo achal”

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14142&st=&pgnum=475

    #1083196

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Sam, why only half?

    The locusts should be a problem for those who don’t have a mesorah on it.

    #1083200

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    The locusts should be a problem for those who don’t have a mesorah on it.

    When it comes to Kashruth,w e generally hold that if one frum jew holds something is Kosher, you can eat it. There are a few animals which arent regulary eaten (Like a Giraffe)

    The issue with locusts is most of us are disgusted by it and I think I heard somewhere that is the real issue. Eating something we are disgusted by.

    #1083201

    apushatayid
    Participant

    I’d only go if the cigars were cuban.

    #1083202

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    #1083203

    Menachem Melamed
    Participant

    To Zahavsdad –

    There are all kinds of mistakes that people make regarding giraffe. Even though there may be practical and legal reasons for not eating it – it is not really a halocha issue (except according to the opinion that mesora is necessary for animals too). Many teachers repeat something about not knowing where to shecht it. Anyone who know hilchos shechita knows that is incorrect.

    #1083204

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I think also an american Bison actually has no Mesorah to eat it.

    #1083205

    newbee
    Member

    At first I thought it was a joke, but then I realized it was probably geared towards very wealthy MO BTs who love expensive food and Rov Joseph Ber Soloveitchik (in that order)- so then I said yea, I guess this makes sense.

    #1083206

    lesschumras
    Participant

    The cost is not outlandish and when you consider what a couple gives as a wedding gift and the food they get

    #1083207

    newbee
    Member

    from what I read it was a $100 minimum, so I suppose its likely people spent hundreds of dollars per person, but I dont know for sure.

    #1083208

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There is no Halacha against being a Foodie and willing to try differnt kinds of foods. While this meal is not for me the reality is Not everyone wants Chulent and Kugel.

    #1083209

    Joseph
    Participant

    Anyone who doesn’t want chulent should check their yichus.

    #1083210

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Joseph, stop being eastern European-centric

    #1083211

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    If something is assur then i understand complaining about it. If it is muttar but not in the spirit of judaism or where someones middos should, i don’t feel it right to complain about. However, a yeshiva with this kind of party is basically saying “this is 100% fine”. Now THAT, my E-friends, is something i would complain about.

    #1083212

    apushatayid
    Participant

    What was halachic about the dinner? did someone give a shiur on hilchos brachos covering halachos of kedima in brachos, ikkur and taffel, the proper kavana when making a bracha?

    #1083213

    akuperma
    Participant

    I don’t think anyone holds that bison are a problem. They are a type of cattle, and they cross breed (on their own apparently, if given a chance) with domestic cattle. Also in Europe there were bison and on occasion people ate them (though catching them would be a problem). Finding kosher bison in the US isn’t a problem as several commercial outfits produce them for the kosher market with good hecksherim.

    #1083214

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There is nothing wrong with this event. I suspect the high price was also because it was for Tzdekah (Ive seen these events for usually for Tzdekah)

    #1083215

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Zdad-well i say there is

    #1083216

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    American Bison are not the same animals as European Buffalo.

    Yaks I belive are similar to cattle but are not kosher

    #1083217

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    oyyoyyoy: So what exactly is wrong with it? I don’t understand what your issue is.

    #1083218

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Oyyoyoy,you’re entitled to your opinion. That’s all it is, your opinion. You don’t have to like the event; you just can’t force your opinion on others

    #1083219

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    thank you lesschumras for proving my point to zdad

    #1083220

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    When BMG made a high end Chinese Auction, there was an outcry against the yeshiva promoting excessive pursuit of gashmiyus. They cancelled.

    #1083221

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    DaasYochid – Big difference between $50,000 kitchens and a $100 per person dinner charge. Most shuls charge more than $100. Mishpacha had an article recently regarding the need to attract donors by having star events. This seems like just that.

    #1083222

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    ZD, American Bison are closely related to European Bison.

    #1083223

    Toi
    Participant

    minuval birishus hatorah

    #1083224

    apushatayid
    Participant

    forget the bison. what was halachic about this dinner? did the bison say a pshetel?

    #1083225

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    RebYidd, exactly. At least as close as the turkey to the chicken (⇒which actually puzzles me).

    #1083226

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    $100 is not alot of money for a Tzdekah dinner. Most Tzdedakah Dinners are at least $180-$250 a person

    #1083227

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t think this replaced the shul dinner.

    #1083228

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    It was a fund raising event for a shul

    Unfortunatly it seems people got sick from the food served

    #1083229

    newbee
    Member

    There is nothing halachic about this, its just a way to rationalize eating exotic foods. The gashmius in people are attracted to exotic things. The fundraising, was it to feed the poor (which is kind of ironic) support poor kollelman, or to build another unnecessary expansion?

    #1083230

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Newbee

    Not quite, usually during the course of the dinner various shiurim are given on the topic related to the foods at hand.

    At least this is the case for the mesora dinners

    #1083231

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    Was this a fundraiser? Or was it supposed to an event in and of itself? It seems that it was just to be some form of “education” program. Which they solicited sponsorships for.

    I doubt that they really could have made money on the food itself. It must be pretty expensive to acquire these unusual foods, certainly in kosher varieties.

    Further to the point, reading the menu, other than the strangeness of the combinations, it did not appear that there was anything on the menus that it was surprising to find out that it was kosher.

    To ZD,

    Your comment above “When it comes to Kashruth,w e generally hold that if one frum jew holds something is Kosher, you can eat it.” Is misstated/misinformed. That is not what ?? ??? ???? ???????? means. Nor is it what establishes mesorah. A case in point is swordfish.

    #1083232

    Bookworm120
    Participant

    Mmmm, poached brains and shallot topped veal intestines stuffed with veal heart. My favorites!

    …But I’ll assume that the dessert is dulce de SOY leche.

    #1083233

    Sam2
    Participant

    akuperma: Wrong. That’s not what veal is. And according to the Rama there is no way for veal to be Kosher.

    DY: Many major Poskim, including R’ Schachter (who will end up being the Posek for this community), hold that we can rely on the Teimani Mesorah.

    nisht: Swordfish has absolutely nothing to do with this, nor the concept. There is no one who holds you need a Mesorah on fish. Just find a scale and eat. Swordfish is a discussion because of the nature of their scales, nothing else.

    L’ma’aseh, we only need a Mesorah on birds, not animals, because all Kosher animals will cross-breed which trumps the lack of a Mesorah. They have yet to find an animal with the Simanim that can’t cross-breed and create viable offspring with another Kosher animal as far as I know. (Also, far more Rishonim hold you need a Mesorah by birds than animals.)

    Turkeys are a fascinating Shailah and historical case. If they’re Muttar, it’s not because they’re related to chickens. It’s because the Simanim are identical. (Though if one reads the Gemara and the Rambam they should be Assur for everyone; even Sefardim agree you need a Mesorah on new-world birds.)

    #1083234

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    nishtdaynagesheft

    I’m sorry what is the case in point regarding swordfish?

    I have never heard of a shita requiring a mesora for fish. Have you?

    At any rate here is a interesting source

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=12060&st=&pgnum=19

    list in hapardes 1933 of kosher fish according to the Agudas Harabanim it includes Swordfish and sturgeon

    #1083235

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Suppose you go fishing and you catch a catfish with scales. Can you eat it?

    Suppose you go hunting and catch a pig that chews its cud, can you eat it?

    #1083236

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Suppose you go trolling, and catch someone troller blading. Can you eat him?

    #1083237

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    nishtdaynagesheft

    I’m sorry what is the case in point regarding swordfish?

    I have never heard of a shita requiring a mesora for fish. Have you?

    At any rate here is a interesting source

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=12060&st=&pgnum=19

    list in hapardes 1933 of kosher fish according to the Agudas Harabanim it includes Swordfish and sturgeon

    #1083238

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    You can eat the troller blades.

    #1083239

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Newbee, you assume everyone supports the kollel system and is required to support them. Why do people like yourself feel they can sit in judgment on others views and priorities when it comes to tzedaka?

    #1083240

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    30-40 years ago Sushi was an exotic food and now its a staple

    #1083241

    akuperma
    Participant

    to SAm 2 “That’s not what veal is. And according to the Rama there is no way for veal to be Kosher.”

    Veal, in American English, refers to the meat of young cattle. What Rama are you referring to (please quote in the original – I’m fairly sure he didn’t know English). The only reason you rarely see veal in kosher stores is that it is more expensive. I don’t think anyone has a shailoh about its kashrus, but a lot of greens think it is mean to kill a young calf (but we hold that slaughter of animals is mutar, so there isn’t an issue).

    #1083242

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Sushi is a staple?

    #1083243

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    They Sell Sushi in almost every store now, There are more places around here that sell Sushi than sell Kugel or Kishka

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