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To Sechel
I googled your question and received the following answer, “There is no explicit statement in the Gemara that Nevuah will not return until Moshiach comes however it is universally accepted that this is true.” Of course Chabad isn’t part of the universe since it’s on planet Yechida which is in a different solar system. Please provide your quote from Rambam. I’m certain that it’s another distortion. Checkmate.
To Sechel
You state “No one in chabad says moshiach already came.” There are thousands of posters throughout NYC which state that Messiah (Moshiach) is here. Unless you think that these were posted by non-Lubavichers clearly someone in Chabad thinks the Rebbe is already Moshiach.sechel, as I’ve pointed out a number of times in different threads, you have absolutely no right to say that if Mashiach comes from the dead then it is the L rebbe, as the gemoro says that if Mashiach comes from the dead, then it will be Daniel Ish Chamudos.
That is according to one pshat in Rashi. According to the other pshat, the gemoro is saying that if we want to find someone who is dead to whom a LIVE Mashiach will be similar, then it is Daniel.
There is thus NO room for someone to suggest another candidate who is dead. And, by the way, there is no other pshat given in the gemoro other than those two pshotim given by Rashi.
To Sechel
You believe in Pirkei Avos and in Manis Friedman. So Manis said that because of the long and bitter Golus Hashem no longer punishes sinners. According to Manis when did G-d stop punishing sinners and how did he determine that date? You believe in Rambam but you reject his criteria for establishing Moshiach. That’s like Trump saying that he respects the Constitution but he’s suspending it because there are parts he doesn’t like. You accept everything Rambam said except what he said about Moshiach because it proves that the Rebbe isn’t Moshiach
Qwerty so you had 2 gemaras
1) 1 in 300000 will be redeemed, I quoted THE same amud a different opinion
2) is not a gemara, you just trust Google
And for that you call us kofrim?!?!
This is checkmate (unless you don’t know how to play chess)
Anyway here is the rambam igeres taiman (for the whole thing look up yourself)
ולפי ההקש הזה והפירוש הזה תחזור הנבואה לישראל בשנת ארבעה אלפים תתקע”ו ליצירה ואין ספק שחזרת הנבואה היא הקדמת משיחMore about nevuah after the time of neviim achronim
1) גיטין פח,א תוס ד”ה ודלמה – מיהו אמר ה”ר עזרא הנביא
2) the לשון in סנהדרין דף יא, יומא דף ט, סוטא דף מח is הסתלקה רוח הקודש מישראל and never the less we see פרקי גילוים there were many who had רוח הקודש, see also שערי קדושה.
Are you saying no one since נביאים אחרונים had רוח הקודש?? Or someone who says so is rejecting a gemara and is a kofer??!!
For more on this topic see לקו”ש חלק יד page 72its in sefer smag where he speaks about the mitzvot asseh
one of gdolei harishonim
clearly there – the last nevi’im were the trei asar.
after them there will be no nevu’a.
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Sechel,
A common misconception is that רוח הקודש is נבואה, really it is a step below it
The Gemara says that kids and שוטים have רוח הקודש so we see that never left
To Sechel
You quote Rambam that Nevuah will return in such and such year, but you fail to mention that Rambam was suggesting that in that year Moshiach would come. He made a prediction and it didn’t occur. There have been a number of such predictions that didn’t materialize. So no, Rambam didn’t make a Psak that Nevuah would return that year. Moreover Yankel berel provided the source that Nevuah will not return until Moshiach comes and every real Jew accepts it. Checkmate
To the group
Good to see you guys contributing. Clearly the Chabad religion has a belief system which is completely at odds with Judaism.
To coffee addict
It’s important to develop your point. There are numerous terms that are bandied about in the Torah world, Rusch Hakodesh, Siyata Dishmaya, Daas Torah. These terms are nebulous and can be loosely applied. But then we have Nevuah and this is clear cut. It means that Hashem spoke to the person and gave him a specific directive. Chabad uses the word incessantly beecause they think it can’t be challenged ie if they said he has Ruach Hakodesh we’d say that’s nice and ignore it. Again we challenge the lies and distortions of Sechel, Menachem Shmei, Nope and Manis Friedman because theirs is an attempt to remake Judaism in the image of their dead Kofer.
@ Sechel
Here is an English translation of a part of Igeres Taimon that is important to the conversation
“prophecy will return to Israel in the year 4976 after Creation (1216 CE). Undoubtedly, the return of prophecy will be a portent of the coming of the anointed one.”
So, are you proposing, per the above that we have had prophecy and have been living in the Messianic Era for the last 800 years now?
No. I don’t think so. You cherry picked a section of Igeres Taimon that suited your purposes.”
But, here is the thing. I am open to the return of Prophecy before Moshiach comes.
Did the last Lubavicher Rebbe openly claim that he was speaking as a Prophet of Hashem? Because, you know, that’s what all the established Prophets did. Then we can move on to the verification process because, unfortunately, lots of none-prophets also did.
To Sechel
So you claim “Messiah is here” can mean different things. Nonsense. Not when the sign has a picture of that well known Kofer and Novi Sheker. Checkmate
To non-political
Your posts are so glatt. Wish you’d contribute more often. It’s time to end this stupidity and declare that the Chabad religion isn’t a valid expression of Judaism.
Rashi, who is the only one who explains that piece, says that there are two possible ways of explaining the gemoro’s statement that “if Mashiach is from the dead, it’s Daniel”:
1. It was Daniel himself.
2. It will be someone (alive) who is like Daniel (who is no longer alive).sechel then countered by saying that the gemoro says כגון דניאל איש חמודות, and apprently sechel wants to say that since kegon means ‘similar to’, as it so often does, there’s nothing wrong with saying that any other dead person may be Mashiach.
Tell me, are you intentionally ignoring what Rashi himself writes explicitly?
“ואם היה מאותן שמתו כבר היה דניאל איש חמודות שנדון ביסורין בגוב אריות וחסיד גמור היה והאי כגון לאו דווקא”“If it is someone who died, it was already Daniel… and [the word] כגון is inexact“. So Rashi is clearly saying that כגון here does NOT mean ‘similar to’.
Please check sources before you quote blithely.
The rambam never says moshiach will come the same year as nevuah will return.
He says 2 things 1) the year 4976 2) that nevuah returning is a hakdama for moshiach.
Qwerty you still didn’t answer all the other questions, you just picked one thing@Arso, 1) you maybe right about pshat in rashi, but why do you say that’s the only pshat on the gemara. See kungres שמו של משיח will haskama from rav britewitz from אור שמח, he goes into pshat in rashi and comes out moshiach can be someone else from the dead. Also there are other rishonim who say so as we see from the following gemara it can be someone else (it’s also a medrash and Zohar)
ירושלמי ברכות פ”ב ה”ד
רבנן אמרי אהן מלכא משיחא אין [מן] חייא הוא דוד שמיה. אין [מן] דמכייא הוא דוד שמיה. אמר רבי תנחומא אנא אמרית טעמא ועושה חסד למשיחו לדוד.
The Rebbis say: This King Messiah, if he is from the living, his name is David. If he is from the dead, his name is David. Rebbi Tanḥuma said: I am declaring the reason (Ps. 18:51) “He gives kindness to His anointed, to David.’More gedolim who said moshiach can be someone from the dead other than דניאל
ראה בספר בעל שם טוב על התורה, בהקדמה )קונטרס מאירת עינים( אות כג, מהספר מעשיות ומאמרים יקרים ע’ ד, 192
שהרב נחום מטשערנוביל אמר על הבעש”ט שהוא יהי’ משיח ושם מוכח שזה הי’ אחר פטירת הבעש”ט
ובספר כרם בית ישראל )רוזין סאדיגורא( ע’ קיא, שהרה”צ ר’ מנחם נחום משטפנשט אמר על אביו הרה”צ ר’ ישראל מרוזין,
שהוא יקום לתחי’ ויהי’ משיח. וראה ג”כ המבשר תורני גליון 520 ע’ יב;See even if rashi means דווקא דניאל (as I said he clearly does not, see שמו של משיח for the arichus) we have a yerushalmi, medrash, Zohar who say a different name and we have here 2 different people
@non political
yes he did
parshat shoftim 5751
I still remember this from when it happened
the big problem is the verification …
at the time kfar habad and associated publications claimed that his “prophesy” that no one will be harmed in EY and that EY is the safest place in the world qualifies as an accomplished verification.
everyone knows now that this was incorrect.
according to rambam hilchot yesodei hatora
which incidentally they themselves were pointing to
when [it suited him/them]
he made the original claim
according to the very same rambam
in the very same halachot
an aspiring navi who predicts the future and
is off by even one small detail
is established as a vadai navi sheker
and therefore is hayav mitah bebeit din
i think that any further discussion of him being a navi
is totally superfluous
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.To Sechel
I don’t know which questions you’re referring to. Please list them and I’ll gladly respond but with one condition. You claim that the person who put up the posters which says Messiah is here doesn’t mean that the Rebbe is already Moshiach. What do you propose he actually means?
Hello ?
.sechel, I said that Rashi is the only one who explains that gemoro, and I then proceeded to clarify what Rashi meant. Sorry, but quoting a publication by your own people to say otherwise is useless, as I won’t accept an alternative explanation made by the person who claims he is Mashiach, especially when whatever it says there contradicts what Rashi says.
Rabbi Breitowitz is a great man, but I don’t know what he wrote about that kuntres, and I have no intention of messing up my mind by reading it. Furthermore, it is well-known – I, at least, know it for a fact – that Rabbi Breitowitz holds that the L rebbe is NOT Mashiach.
As to the Yerushalmi you quoted, it says Mashiach’s name is David, and the L rebbe’s name was not David. (I’m very surprised that you didn’t quote the next statement of the Yerushalmi, which says that his name is Menachem. Or were you just laying the bait for a trap by omitting it? At any rate, there it says his father’s name was Chizkiyah and that he came from the environs of Beis Lechem. Not that his father’s name was Levi Yitzchok and that he came from Yekatrinoslav.)
I’ll point out again, the ONLY sources that says that the L rebbe could be Mashiach are from the L rebbe himself, and if that isn’t plain self-aggrandizement and delusions of grandeur I don’t know what is.
To sechel and anyone else paying attention here who may think that the L rebbe is Mashiach.
I, and a number of others here, have two problems with that:
1. There is no source for it other than his own claims and twisted interpretations.
2. Even if we disregard the Rambam’s criteria – which unquestionably do not apply to the L rebbe (unless they are willingly mistranslated and misinterpreted, as is often the case) – there are many, many, many people both alive and dead who are more suitable candidates based on their tzidkus and actions alone.
To yankel berel
As Shakespeare wrote, “This is all Much Ado About Nothing.” It’s been established that the Rebbe decided to create a new religion and he succeeded. There are 100000 Lubavitchers who accept his false religion along with many others who come along for the ride. However no real Jews accept any of his garbage. No one believes he was a Novi. No one believes he was is or will be Moshiach. No one believes that he rules the world. No one believes he’s the Nassi Hador. No one believes that he’s still alive. You can go on and on.
To Sechel
Provide a quote that Rabbi Breitowiiz believes that the Rebbe will return from the dead to become Moshiach.
Qwerty: (you had short term memory)
You said the rebbe is a kofer cuz he contradicts a gemara
1) not every jew will be redeemed only 1 in 300,000
I answered that it’s a clear gemara , Sanhedrin 111a , R Yochanan says every jew
2) nevuah won’t return till moshiach,
1) it’s not a gemara, 2) I quoted tosfos who quotes a navi in the time of rishonim, 3) the gemara says “after the last neviim , RUACH HAKODESH was נסתלק”
we see פרקי גילוים there were many who had רוח הקודש, see also שערי קדושה.
Are you saying no one since נביאים אחרונים had רוח הקודש?? Or someone who says so is rejecting a gemara and is a kofer??!!
Moshiach is here means that we are in the generation that moshiach will come, and therefore the the person in this generation who is fit to be moshiach if the generation merits will be the actual moshiach (similar to שני אלפים ימות המשיח in gemara which means it’s a time when moshiach is possible to come)
No one is delusional and says we have a bais hamikdashI love how Lubavitchers have to turn themselves into a pretzel
They take all these proofs that moshiach can come from the dead but argue on them that it HAS TO be their rebbe as opposed to whoever the other person is (anyone should pick the besht over the rebbe)
To Sechel
Your comments on the last post are pretty good except for one problem. You posit that it’s appropriate to declare that the Rebbe is/will be Moshiach because the Rebbe prophesied that our generation will be redeemed. It follows then that if this Nevuah is false then your supposition that the Rebbe is Moshiach falls apart. Well a generation is between 20 and 30 years on the average and the Rebbe uttered his false prophecy 35 years ago. Checkmate
To coffee addict
I really don’t know what Sechel is hoping to accomplish. No real Jew accepts any of this Chabad BS. If he wants to be an idolater Gezunterheit. It’s a free country but no one is paying attention to anything he says.
To ARSo
Sechel loves to throw out the name of Rabbi Breitowiiz as a supporter of their movement. In 2023 he made a video in which he was asked if he thought the Rebbe could be Moshiach..He made it very clear that no mainstream Jew thinks so. But he added that it isn’t Apikorus for Chabad to say he’s Moshiach. They consider this an endorsement of their worthless religion.
sechel: I quoted tosfos who quotes a navi in the time of rishonim
I must have missed where you quoted that Tosfos. Could you please recite the source?
Or are you perhaps referring to Gitting 68a where Tosfos quotes הר”ר עזרא הנביא? If that’s the case, then I believe you have it wrong as I don’t believe that Tosfos means that he was actually a navi. Rather, that that’s the way he was referred to.
Google עזרא הנביא ממונקנטור and in the Hebrew wikipedia you’ll find a number of explanations for his name, none of which say he was an actual navi.
To the group
I will reiterate that the Rebbe is a Kofer for rejecting the Gemara in Cheilek. Rava states clearly that only one in 300000 will be redeemed by Moshiach. The Chabad liars on YWN, Shmei Nope and Sechel keep yammering about a statement by Rav Yochanan on the same Amud which they posit rejects Rava’s thesis. That’s total garbage. Number one Rav Yochanan stated his opinion at the top of the Amud while Rava is quoted in the middle and so Rav Yochanan clearly isn’t addressing what Rava said. Second, Rava’s Bar Plugta isn’t Rav Yochanan it’s Abaye.and he has no comment, which means he agrees with it, as does every real Jew. Finally, while the Gemara states explicitly that Rava is referring to the Jews being redeemed by Moshiach, Rav Yochanan isn’t discussing that subject at all. Rather he’s talking about Jews ending up in Gehinnom, something that Mendy Kofersohn and Manis Koferman say no
longer exists. If you guys run into Sechel tell him it’s checkmate again..
The whole mashiach / pseudo navi business is one big joke andeven the L apologists know it
.@arso and coffee addict .
The discussion here is about if saying the rebbe is moshiach is kefira, qwerty claimed it’s kefira cuz it’s against the rambam (and the gemara says if it will be from the dead it will be Daniel – arso’s addition)
Arso – in your last post you agree moshiach can be from the dead, so I guess you agree with me that it’s not kefira?I am a Navi because I can predict how this discussion will end: everyone will stand firm at their original opinion.
@arso see יד רמה on the gemara (quoted in artscroll also) that כגון is דווקא.
Simply the gemara is bringing examples of people who had יסורים (and was a חסיד) – continuing the gemara right before. one who is alive, and one from the past. The gemara obviously can’t say who in the future will meet this criteriaיד רמה
. אמר רב אי מן חייא הוא אם משיח מאלו שחיין עכשיו הוא כגון רבינו הקדוש הוא שהיה חסיד וסובל חלאים ואם מן הדורות הראשונים שמתו הוא אין דוגמתו בהם אלא דניאל איש חמודות שהיה מזרע דוד והיה צדיק גמור ונידון ביסורים שהשליכוהו לגוב אריות. ויש מפרשין אם יש דוגמתו בחיים היינו רבינו הקדוש ואם דוגמא הוא למתים כגון דניאל@ Sechel
I think you understand that we have not had prophecy for the last 800 years. What you are trying to do with the I.T is to establish that the Rambam holds that the return of prophecy happens before Moshiach comes and is an indication of his imminent arrival / revelation. You believe that the last Lubavitcher Rebbe was, in fact, a prophet (in the full, halachic sense) and that he had prophecy indicates the imminent arrival / revelation of Moshiach, the last Lubavitcher Rebbe himself.
Is this what you believe?
Also, do you agree with Y.B that the last Lubavitcher Rebbe declared himself to be a prophet?
@qwerty
@non politicalThe word nevu’a has been used in many formats
habad claims that their late leader is a navi as in the biblical format
re a biblical navi , it says that someone not listening to his directive that is hayav mitah biydei shamayim [if remember correctly]
in addition a biblical navi is authorised to suspend temporarily any mitsva except for avoda zara
smag one of the leading rishonim says clearly that this biblical full fledged nevu’a has stopped with hagai zharya and malachi [part of trei asar]
rambam spells out criteria for acceptance of biblical nevua
habad’s claims for biblical nevua are clearly disproven by rambams criteria
.as opposed to biblical nevu’a , any later use of the term nevu’a pertains to the lower leve non biblical nevu’a, which
does not mandate anyone to listen and is not subject to admission criteria as per rambam .
important to keep this stinction in mind whenever
discussing habad’s leaders claim to biblical authority to command any jew to listen on pain of mitah byedei shamayim
and his claim to the authority to suspend temporarily any mitsva except for avoda zara
are not to be taken lightly at all
these are very major discussions to be had
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.To the group
In 1990 Rabbi Dovid Hollander zl told me, “Don’t try to understand a Rosho because you’re not a Rosho.” Lubavitchers like Sechel are idolaters. They have no belief in our Torah. We have a Mesorah that’s thousands of years old but it means nothing to them. Rabbi Samuel Butman had a radio program for many years and he would often cite verses in the Torah as alluding to Chabad. This is straight out of the Christian playbook. Menachem Shmei is smart enough to hide in his bunker but Sechel is like the Japanese soldier who continued fighting years after WW2 was over. His entire existence is devoted to proving that his lying Kofer Rebbe is the real deal.
To non-political
Sechel believes in nothing but his dead Kofer god No Christian believes in his dead Jewish god as much as Sechel does. Let him enjoy his Olam Hazeh. It’s highly unlikely that he will have any share in Olam Habo. Maybe if he’s lucky Hashem will judge him insane and forgive him. Who knows? Unlike Chabad I don’t pretend to be a Novi.
sechel is leading us into the seventy second merry go round whether
mashiach can die after he proclaimed himself as mashiach , and
then return for a second coming to finish his job ,or
not
..
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This question has long been settled by two of our major rishonimRAMBAM and RAMBAN, in the clear negative
as mentioned before
in the countless previous merry go rounds
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.RAMBAN is in sefer havikuach and
RAMBAM is in hilchot mlahim in yad hachazaka
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any further discussion by habad about this, amounts to nothing more than a bad joke.
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.sechel to me: in your last post you agree moshiach can be from the dead, so I guess you agree with me that it’s not kefira?
It may not be direct kefira to say that Mashiach can be someone who has died, but it is extremely close to kefira to say that someone – even alive – is Mashiach because you want him to be, even though there is absolutely not one iota of proof. It is megaleh panim baTorah shelo kehalacha.
And I don’t see how the Yad Ramah, in his first explanation, is allowing you to say that anyone who has died other than Daniel can be Mashiach.
Furthermore, what were the great yissurim that the L rebbe had?
Qwerty is just making up garbage. He knows he’s wrong. No need to continue arguing
@ YB
“these are very major discussions to be had”
This is why I am asking Sechel to please clarify, unambiguously, his position on this very point.
.“I am a Navi because I can predict how this discussion will end: everyone will stand firm at their original opinion.“
Aaq,
You should have called yourself a חכם because as שלמה המלך said “חכם עדיף מנביא”
I don’t think it’s Shlomo Hamelech who חכם עדיף מנביא. It’s a gemoro in Bava Basra 12a based on a passuk in Tehillim 90.
To the group
Let’s read Pshat into Sechel’s last post. I see that I’ve been beaten so I’m entering the witness protection program with Nope and Menachem Shmei. But before he leaves he takes a last shot at me. I could care less. Baruch Hashem Chabad has been eliminated on YWN. And it’s been a group effort. Hopefully others will see the falseness of the Chabad religion, but I’m not holding out hope. Rabbi Breitowiiz made it clear that he doesn’t believe that the Rebbe is Moshiach however he was gushing about him like he was the Gadol Hador. That’s probably why he gave that worthless Chabad Kuntress his Haskama. Beezras Hashem the Jewish world will soon learn that the Chabad religion is nothing but a series of lies starting from its leader. For the record, Sechel gave up because he couldn’t handle my last challenge so I’ll repeat it. Chabad constantly tells people that this is the last generation of Golus and the first generation of Geulah. And they consider this the Rebbe’s central Nevuah. The problem is that the Rebbe said this in 1990 and a generation is between 20 and 30 years and so the time has passed and so his “Nevuah”: didn’t come true. Therefore either Schneerson was a Novi Sheker or just a plain old liar. I’d go with the latter. Checkmate.
To ARSo and Coffee addict
Arguing to determine the true source of a Chazal is beautiful in Hashem’s eyes, but inventing false Pshatim and mangling Torah truths is anathema.It seems that Chabad has been trounced on YWN but we haven’t seen the last of them. Chabad is so proud of its Shluchim but the Rebbe was a Shliach of the Sitra Achra and so they will continue to be a thorn in the side of real Jews.
To the group
Do you sense that Sechel doesn’t like me? Do you think it was something I said? Lol.
@qwerty your answer about r Yochanan is completely wrong
So far you have no gemara that the rebbe contradicted!! So you have no right to call the rebbe or chabad kofrim
You keep just coming up with new attacks when you see your wrong
But as far as a generation being 20-30 yrs. What’s your source that that’s what the rebbe meant
See נצח ישראל from the maharal that a generation can be according to one opinion 70 yrs, according to another 3 generations are like one generation.
ומי שאמר שבעים שנה “כימי מלך אחד וכו'” (ישעיה כג, טו), אין הכתוב תולה צור במלך המשיח, דמאי ענין צור למלך המשיח. רק שהכתוב אומר כי תהיה נשכחת צור “כימי מלך אחד”, רוצה לומר המלך שהוא מיוחד, ויש לו המשך מלכות כראוי. ואין מי שראוי למלכות כמו מלך המשיח. ולכך אמר “כימי מלך אחד” זהו מלך המשיח.
וסוף סוף המשך המלכות שראוי למלך המשיח הוא שבעים שנה. ולפיכך אי אפשר שתהיה מלכות של משיח פחות מן שבעים שנה, שאם לא כן יהיה חסר מלכותו של משיח
וכן למאן דאמר שלשה דורות, שכך ראוי, שעד שלשה דורות נחשב כמו דור אחד, כדכתיב (בראשית כא, כג) “לי ולניני ולנכדי”, והם שלשה דורות, דהיינו הוא ובנו ובן בנו יהיה מלכותו. ואם לא כן, היה חסר מלכותו. אבל יותר מן שלשה דורות הוא מלכות אחר.
Checkmate! Now stop speaking against the Rebbe!@non political
you are right
I should have addressed this to sechel
To non-political
You’re asking Sechel to clarify his position. The problem is that no Lubavicher has any position. Chabad is Maaseh Satan. How does the Yetzer hora work? He gives his prey one argument. If that sways him, he’s happy, but if not he makes up something else, often doing a 180. Chabad is the same way. Especially Nope. He would never state his view on any subject because he knows that ten minutes later he’ll say the opposite. Let’s present tangible examples. Shlomo Cumin says the Rebbe runs the world. Nope: maybe he means that he runs the world for Hashem. The posters say Messiah is here: Sechel:Maybe it means when Messiah arrives we’ll see that it’s the Rebbe. Chabad is all about maybeism. When we’re challenged we make up some possible intent of the speaker. So don’t lose sleep waiting for Sechel to give you an actual response. As John Lennon wrote, “Doesn’t have a point of view, knows not where he’s going to,” Maybeism is Amalek. Safeik and Amalek have the same Gematria. Do we believe in Hashem or in the Rebbe? That’s our little secret.One day they’ll discover that G-d is on to them, but it’ll be too late.
@qwerty now that you proved me wrong, you should go convince Rav Britewitz to not learn and teach the Rebbe’s Torah. Because he has influence on tons of people, (much more people than who read this thread)
coffee, thanks, but I am still reaching for the navi. There are a lot of features of tlamid chacham mentioned in the gemora that I view as a criteria – such as if you seem him posting an aveirah in the evening, you don’t have to remind them in the morning as he surely did teshuva. And, in Avodah Zara, you can presume to buy items that require trust from their family, as the chacham presumably taught his wife and househoild. I am not holding by these madregas yet! I did achieve the appropriate level of humility, though, so I stop here.
Just to add a random thought even tho shlucha is an amazing idea it’s very hard on the families that do it. I find a lot of chabad families being like angry on the inside they even tho the idea is nice it’s very hard on them they give up their privacy, their homes….I know your of course going to deny what I’m saying but I’ve never seen a happy shlucha family. I think people should spend time honoring what they believe not live according to a belief system outside themselves s. Like a famous free Will coach says (Jewish) either your choosing to do what makes sense for you or you become a cog in the chain of reality and reality is done to you. That’s what shluchim feel that they don’t have a choice. It’s not healthy. It’s amazing but for them personally it’s hard for them
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