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August 5, 2025 8:08 am at 8:08 am #2433955Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
DaMoshe > Only after confronting the Rav with the opposing view, and he stands by what he said, are you required to listen.
There is even a halocha how you approach your teacher if you think he made a mistake – you ask him a polite question. You can’t have this halocha if the teacher is always right!
August 5, 2025 8:09 am at 8:09 am #2434053Gedol HadorParticipant@DaMoshe: Where is this Riva? Where is this Ramban? Where is this Rambam? Who questions the Sifre?
August 5, 2025 9:26 am at 9:26 am #2434186DaMosheParticipantThe Rambam, if I recall correctly, is in the introduction to the second chelek of Moreh Nevuchim. The Yerushalmi is at the beginning of Horayos. I’m not sure where the Riva is – I saw it quoted in a few places, but it didn’t say exactly where it’s from. It does say it’s in response to Rashi’s quoting the Sifrei, so maybe look on that posuk?
The Ramban is on Devarim 17, and while he does say we need to listen even if it’s wrong, he qualifies that this is only for the Sanhedrin.August 5, 2025 9:26 am at 9:26 am #2434190none2.0ParticipantIf your Rav was chosen only cuz he knows “halacha” and not because he was “wise and understanding” his views are moot. And irrelevant.
August 5, 2025 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #2434381Gedol HadorParticipant@DaMoshe, the introduction to the second chelek of Moreh Nevuchim consists of 26 philosophical tenets, which have nothing to do with this.
Thank you for helping me find the Riva. It’s quoted in the edition of דעת זקנים לבעלי התוס printed in Offen in 1834.
If the Ramban quotes the Sifrei but limits it to the Great Sanhedrin, what makes you think he is arguing with Rashi?
And does anyone actually argue with the Sifrei?August 28, 2025 11:51 am at 11:51 am #2442776aheimisherenglisherParticipant@alwaysaskquestions there is also a halochoh that you have to listen to the rabbonim as mentioned multiple times in this thread
August 29, 2025 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #2443176Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantaheimish, right – as mentioned – after you approach with the question and explain the details. In my humble experience, when asked rabonim difficult questions about children and Jewish education, I usually heard back very humble answers: “this is not a psak, but maybe you can try X”, “when I was in this situation, I observed Y”,”I can not teach this extra class so that it is seen as I am doing XYZ”, “not sure how to deal with them, but maybe Rebetzin X can suggest something”. This is both from charedi and somewhat modern Rabbis.
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