April 21, 2011 2:08 am at 2:08 am #596405
Don’t be shy. Tell us.April 21, 2011 2:09 am at 2:09 am #1012051
once! i said vsain beracha the first time, and u???????!!!April 21, 2011 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1012052
Patur Aval AssurParticipant
12April 21, 2011 2:30 am at 2:30 am #1012053
I only said it once, even though I initially forgot vi’sain bracha. However, I caught on to my mistake (thanks to the guy davening next to me LOUDLY whispering “vi’sain bracha!”) and inserted it during shema koleinu.April 21, 2011 2:31 am at 2:31 am #1012054
But I wouldn’t advise that anyone follow anything I do l’halacha.
The WolfApril 21, 2011 2:41 am at 2:41 am #1012055
I didnt say it!!!lolApril 21, 2011 2:44 am at 2:44 am #1012056
am yisrael chaiParticipant
Remember to count Sefira, especially the women out there who do not go to maarivApril 21, 2011 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1012057
maariv was like a minefield so many things to rememberApril 21, 2011 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1012058
Twice. You?April 21, 2011 3:15 am at 3:15 am #1012059
had to repeat shmoneh esrei twice tonight 😛April 21, 2011 3:15 am at 3:15 am #1012060
Once! So proud of myself!
😀 Zuberman! 😀April 21, 2011 3:53 am at 3:53 am #1012061
I held out 4 fingers, and counted down as I said each things.April 21, 2011 4:02 am at 4:02 am #1012062
flatbush dude: sorry, but you cannot delete the words “tal u’matar” in Shema Koleinu.April 21, 2011 4:13 am at 4:13 am #1012063
Hey! That’s a good idea!
😀 Zuberman! 😀April 21, 2011 6:19 am at 6:19 am #1012064
Popa – You must daven Nusach S’fard, otherwise you’d hold out only three fingers.April 21, 2011 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1012065
I did that the second time.April 21, 2011 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1012066
you forgot to say atah chonantanuApril 21, 2011 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1012067
“Remember to count Sefira, especially the women out there who do not go to maariv”
It is preferable that S’fardic women not count the omer. Most Ashkenazic poskim rule that women may count while they are not required to do so.April 22, 2011 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1012068
Bar Shattya – “health- you forgot to say atah chonantanu”
Either you don’t know how to read or how to count.
Let’s see if you’re davening Nusach Ashkenaz – Don’t say Morid Hatal so nothing to count. 1. Atah Chonantanu. 2. V’Sain Berocha
3. Yaleh V’YawvohApril 22, 2011 5:08 am at 5:08 am #1012069
sorry buddy, you’ve got either two or four. if you want to count v’sain bracha it works exactly the same as l’hoshia mechalkel. Personally i suggest we count them both seeing as you have to repeat shmoneh esray for the lack of either omission.April 22, 2011 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #1012070
BAR SHATTYA: you are tottally wrong here!April 22, 2011 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1012071
Um. I didn’t know this was going to cause an issue.
I daven ashkenaz.
I used a finger to remember to
1. not say mashiv haruach
2. say attah chonantanu (figured I may as well, once I’m doing fingers.)
3. not say tal umatar
4. say yaaleh vyavo.
I could possibly have used a 5th finger, to remember to say chag hamatzos in yaaleh vyavo, instead of rosh chodesh.April 22, 2011 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1012072
oh. oops. my bad.April 24, 2011 4:05 am at 4:05 am #1012073
Popa -Didn’t think anybody needed a finger Not to say something. Oh Well!April 24, 2011 4:19 am at 4:19 am #1012074
chayav inish livisumayParticipant
5 times. the first time i said mashiv haruach so i had to start again. the second time i said vsain tal umatar and forgot tpo correctmyself till the end. the 3 time i forgot yaaleh veyuvoh. Ans the 4th time i realized i was drunk so i had to start again. FINALLY ON MY FIFTH TRY I MADE IT!!!!!!!!!! 🙂April 24, 2011 4:22 am at 4:22 am #1012075
Of course you dont. the finger method is for forgetting things. you can forget all kinds of thingsApril 9, 2012 1:05 am at 1:05 am #1012076
nuApril 9, 2012 3:27 am at 3:27 am #1012077
but almost slipped on the fifth fingerApril 9, 2012 8:04 am at 8:04 am #1012078
Only once that counted. The first one I wasn’t yotzei so it didn’t count. So the answer to this question can be either zero or one.April 9, 2012 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #1012079
Shachris x3.September 19, 2012 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1012080
10/10!September 19, 2012 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1012081
Once, and this includes my saying 2 Kaddishim on the Ommud + 2 mourner’s Kaddishim, each only recited once, getting “L’Eilo L’Eilo MiKol” correct 1st time around each time.
But I shan’t have to worry about saying L’Eilo twice by mistake after Yom Kippur, as I am terminating my 11 months of saying Kaddish in the middle of the Asseres y’Mei Teshuoh.September 19, 2012 3:33 am at 3:33 am #1012082
On a more lamdusheh note; why do some poskim hold you do NOT need to repeat shmoneh esre if you don’t have any kavanah during the first brachah (even though lehalacha you would need to repeat davening) because we say it’s not guaranteed you will have kavanah the second time around either, yet on the other hand we say you DO need to repeat shmoneh esre if you forget certain additions. Who’s to say that you won’t space out and forget them the second time around, too? Same Svarah, Different Davening…September 19, 2012 6:48 am at 6:48 am #1012083
147: I am so impressed. You got the possessive before the gerund and the shan’t instead of won’t.
Wow!September 19, 2012 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #1012084
11/11 at mincha.September 20, 2012 11:12 am at 11:12 am #1012085
Thank you Haifa Girl for your kind comments, especially if you are based in Haifa, where English is a foreign language.September 20, 2012 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1012086
Curiosity: Different S’vara. The Poskim say that it’s almost a given that you won’t have Kavana anyway. But here, we see that most of the time most people get it right.March 28, 2013 2:52 am at 2:52 am #1012087
This year I only held out 3 fingers. I didn’t hold one out for attah chonantanu. Then I wondered why I wasn’t, and while I was wondering, I got up to there, and said it.March 28, 2013 3:17 am at 3:17 am #1012088
Only once. But it helped that the rabbi announced immediately before the shemoneh esrei the four changes in the tefillah!April 17, 2014 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1012089
Tagging Mod 42April 20, 2014 2:06 am at 2:06 am #1012090
its not a joke, i really held out three fingersApril 20, 2014 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1012091
I. M. ShluffinParticipant
I always thought about highlighting either v’sein bracha or v’sein tal umatar, and I figured the bright yellow would make me think each time I said it, and remind me of what I’m supposed to say. But I never did it. And I haven’t messed up once this year! Of course, the machzor helps by not even giving me the choice to say the wrong thing. But I have to be looking in the machzor for that to work.April 20, 2014 7:27 am at 7:27 am #1012092
I remembered to say melech oheiv tzedaka umpishpat rather than hamelech hamishpat tonight.
I also remembered to say v’lamalshinim. I’ll let popa_bar_abba tell us about all the special kavanos one should have during that bracha.April 12, 2017 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #1253626
BumpApril 13, 2017 9:15 am at 9:15 am #1253806
If you say מוריד הטל during the summer months, it helps a lot to prevent forgetting.
If definitely helps during the winter:
1. If you start saying מוריד הטל, you are likely to remember to say משיב הרוח.
2. Even if you forget, you don’t have to repeat.
In the summer, it is also a bit helpful, although less so. When I accidentally say משיב הרוח, I remember right away that I am supposed to be saying מוריד הטל, so even though I still have to go back, at least I don’t have to go that far back. And it is really unlikely that I’d forget the second time.April 13, 2017 9:15 am at 9:15 am #1253807
Please note: The minhag in EY (for both Ashkenazim and Sephardim) and for Sephardim everywhere is to say מוריד הטל whenever we don’t say משיב הרוח.
This is not generally the minhag for Ashkenazim in chu”l. But I think it’s possible that they may be allowed to if they want to, so imho, it’s kidai to ask a sheilah to find out if you are allowed to, for the above reasons, especially if you find that you often forget.April 13, 2017 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #1253975
BH I got it right the first time.April 13, 2017 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #1254126
BH I didn’t have to repeat it any times! I think that was a first for me.
LU, Chaim Berliners (who daven ashkenaz) actually do say מוריד הטל (I really hope those don’t turn into question marks!).April 13, 2017 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1254138
I know this is old, but maybe someone can explain this to me.
First Bar Shattya wrote…
sorry buddy, you’ve got either two or four. if you want to count v’sain bracha it works exactly the same as l’hoshia mechalkel. Personally i suggest we count them both seeing as you have to repeat shmoneh esray for the lack of either omission.
Then JustHold wrote…
BAR SHATTYA: you are tottally wrong here!
Then Bar Shattya responds…
oh. oops. my bad.
I’m not seeing how bar shattya is wrong, though he seems to be admitting to a mistake when he says “oops. my bad”
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