April 25, 2023 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #2184000
How many of you said no, nuremberg code forbid experimental treatments to be forced on people? Have you been told you are not ‘vaccinated’ therefore you are a criminal, therefore you can’t sit in a coffee place and have a drink, therefore you can’t work, therefore you can’t study, therefore you are endangering the society, therefore you can’t have friends, therefore you are a real threat, therefore you should be ashamed, therefore you don’t deserve to receive any care, therefore you can’t ask for any help of any kind.. How many of you have have endured this kind of things? Is it still taboo to speak about it?April 25, 2023 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #2184131GadolhadorahParticipant
Most of us have received the vax and boosters w/o any problems and avoided serious Covid issues. For those who chose not to get the vaccines, the biggest issues w343 not being able to get reservations at certain restaurants during 2021/22. Virtually all countries have dropped their Vaccination requirements for entry so travel is no longer an issue. Otherwise, your kvetching about being “criminalized” etc. sounds like the usual anti-vax meshugaas.April 26, 2023 12:29 am at 12:29 am #2184139Amil ZolaParticipant
You do you and I’ll do me, ok?April 26, 2023 12:29 am at 12:29 am #2184140yungermanSParticipant
They called the booster shot “the chazaratz Hashatz”April 26, 2023 8:58 am at 8:58 am #2184172
That was discussed ad nauseam two years ago, where were you then?
@Amil Zola, wow what a change in your attitude, I assume you have this mindset on all subjects including education, fundraising etc.April 26, 2023 9:06 am at 9:06 am #2184186
Prof. Shmuel Shapira, former head of the Defense Ministry’s Biological Institute, calls pharma giant’s vaccines ‘mediocre,’ says company only wanted to ‘rake in billions’.
The former head developer of Israel’s experimental coronavirus vaccine lashed out on Wednesday against the decision to award the prestigious Genesis Prize to Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla.
Taking to Twitter, Prof. Shmuel Shapira, the former head of the Defense Ministry’s Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR), called the decision “pathetic.”
He also called the pharma giant’s COVID-19 vaccine “mediocre” and effective only in the “short term.”
“There are much more prominent Israeli scientists”.
The CEO’s of these companies did not do this from the goodness of their heart, but merely to rake in billions,” he said. “It is a mediocre vaccine — I was vaccinated three times and got sick. A lot of people got infected after they were vaccinated. Calling the vaccine moderately effective is pretty generous.”
“The bureaucracy has failed us repeatedly.”April 26, 2023 9:07 am at 9:07 am #2184194AlizgittParticipant
Based on the responses here, I see that many would like us to forget that we were called names, vilified and threatened, and otherwise neglected.
I have not forgotten and I guarantee you that Gd has not either. I have no problem with you all getting the vaccine but when you vilify me for making a personal medical choice. That was wrong. Instead of any apologies coming, I’ve seen it best and effort to make that era be forgotten.April 26, 2023 9:08 am at 9:08 am #2184195Reb EliezerParticipant
yungermanS, I like it, chazoras ha-shots.April 26, 2023 10:02 am at 10:02 am #2184254
I was careful about names then, but your post on this thread is really tempting me.April 26, 2023 10:04 am at 10:04 am #2184257
“The bureaucracy has failed us repeatedly.”
Do you know what that means? It is a clear admission of there being no conspiracy. Just incompetence. That is not a good thing. So don’t emulate it.April 26, 2023 10:05 am at 10:05 am #2184266
A Sample Of Ongoing Experiments Being forced On The People.
Over 3000 ingredients in food.
Hundreds of untested vitamins.
Drones and bots.April 26, 2023 11:17 am at 11:17 am #2184326
Namesarah: It’s more than that, it’s called usa declaring a state of emergency to bypass all the laws.April 26, 2023 11:17 am at 11:17 am #2184324April 26, 2023 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #2184339
OK fine. Two years ago I would have called you a very dangerous person. Now, with most people double and triple boosted and COVID much better understood, you are merely foolish. Listening to what people are saying on Twitter instead of asking an expert. Would you pasken a shailoh based on something you read on Facebook?April 26, 2023 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #2184359ubiquitinParticipant
I thought this thread was going to be about OzempicApril 26, 2023 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #2184375
Your all confused. The point of a state of emergency is to bypass the bureaucracy. I’m sorry that The State keeps failing you. Maybe stop trusting them to run your life.April 26, 2023 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #2184372April 26, 2023 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #2184393
Completely different topic. That thread does not suggest the Illuminati’s involvement.April 26, 2023 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #2184395GadolhadorahParticipant
Alizgitt: Sorry you feel neglected. We would be glad to vilify you again if that would be helpful in affirming your existence and self-esteem.April 26, 2023 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #2184452emes nisht shekerParticipant
Who called who names during COVID?
I seem to remember anti-vaxxers saying downright insulting and demeaning things about everyone who dared tried to explain why they should take the vax.
But seems like the normal people have mostly moved on and have chosen to forget the vile words the anti-vaxxers used to describe them.
On the other hand those whose lives are sheker, the low IQ uneducated fools, who suddenly decided they are medical experts are still angry. One has to wonder why, but the answers seem apparent. You know you have no idea what you are talking about and that makes you frustrated. Like a baby trying to communicate but does not know the words. So you get angry at anyone that dares tell you what is right in life. I get it. It is sad. You need mental health counseling most likely.
From the depths of my heart, refuah shelemiah.April 26, 2023 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #2184500Sam KleinParticipant
Does anyone even remember what the shocking message directly from Hashem is from the entire coronavirus pandemic mageifa?
Every tragedy has a wake up call message directly from Hashem that your not going to find in any sefer in the world or read in any newspaper from a Gadol Hador or speaker saying about the tragedy. What is the shocking message of the Coronavirus Epidemic-that shut down the entire world starting January 2020-that has already killed millions of innocent lives of all ages? what does Coronavirus mean? Kara-Na-Aveiros,, call out to your aveiros-my loving children klal yisroel-to wake up & do teshuva. But the message from Hashem doesn’t end there, whats the other name for Coronavirus that everyone calls it? i forgot, Covid, what does that mean? what does Covid/Honor do to a person? what does it say in Pirkei Avos? it removes a person from the world, & thats exactly what Covid is doing right now, its removing millions of people from the world as we are still in the midst of this terrible mageifa effecting the ENTIRE world. Let us all ask ourselves who made it be called these crazy names? Dr. Fauci in the White House? where does it come from? the dictionary? is this just coincidence or is it a straight sign & direct message from Hashem that its time for all of klal yisroel to wake up & do teshuva? you think about this.
May we all accept Hashems wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP so we can prevent future tragedies C”V from coming upon klal yisroel and Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarovApril 26, 2023 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #2184587
I think we all just got comfortable being “consumers” rather than people whom Hashem granted free will. A 100 years ago, half of the children were dying in childhood, world wars were raging, factory workers went unemployed … now, we B’H live decades in peace and prosperity with 24-hour delivery of anything in the world. There is always somebody out there who did not live to our expectations – did not deliver on time, did not create the right medicine … So, nobody had any vaccines against CVs, and suddenly new technology worked out in less than a year – but, sorry, not perfect, just decreasing death rate by 3-6 times …
with that in mind, if you compare overall pandemic statistics, you can see that US death rate is higher than comparable countries, seemingly due to lack of continuing vaccination and probably lack of other protection measures – especially starting 2021 when there was no more Trump to blame, so libs stopped blaming him and started convincing tired public that everything is great now so that nobody notices how many more deaths happened under Biden who did not introduce one useful idea (I don’t think rent and loan cancellations helped anyone’s health).April 27, 2023 7:49 am at 7:49 am #2184675
The beth din of crown heigh made an 8 hours conference about this, they gathered enough rabannim and physicians to show the entiere world what was happening. Yet, until today I can see that so many people are in denial but why? Because you got jabbed and you realized it was a mistake? Because you didn’t and lost trust in autorities of all kind? Please stp making excuses for something no one is gonna forgive! Anti vaxx doesn’t mean a thing! I have all my vaccines, the “mrna, rna” shot was NOT a vaccine, it was an experimental product, never tested before!!April 27, 2023 10:04 am at 10:04 am #2184705yechiellParticipant
zetruth – the truth with you is a lie.
1,000,000 americans died because of covid.
now, very few
because now most of us are vaccinated.
do you also refuse the polio vaccine? all the vaccines that nowadays saves lives?
doctors recommend them, you against doctors? we are not talking about mengele yemach shmo. some of these headlines on this thread make faucci out to be like him. for shame !!!!
you are, beside a fool, a super duper farblonjeter fool.April 27, 2023 10:06 am at 10:06 am #2184734emes nisht shekerParticipant
So the beth din of crown heigh (heights maybe?) is now made up of medical experts and not rabbonim?
Interesting. Was not aware of that.
If you have some time, I have some tax questions I want you to run by them as well. I mean, why stop at medicine?April 27, 2023 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #2184812
I’m curious what this alleged 8 hour conference call allegedly from the Crown Heights Beis Din actually said. I do believe that Chabad-Lubavitch has been very vocal about opening vaccine clinics. So if what the Beis Din said is actually what @Zetruth claimed they said, I would be curios what the explanation is.April 27, 2023 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #2184830
@yserbius “Two years ago I would have called you a very dangerous person.”
Wow the level of intolerance on your part is mind boggling, every person who disagrees with you is a murderer etc. Yup so much for tolerating other people’s opinion.April 27, 2023 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #2184875
Yserbius, first people need to know that we didnt all receive the same thing in those injections, remember it’s experimental, regarding crown heights, all the physicians confirmed that people who had side effect were from the jab. They delivered a halachic decision about it and based on medical facts. I suggest another conference called” a second opinion” with senator johnson, if after all this, you still think the same, know that this is nothing but an embarassment for the entiere klal.April 27, 2023 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm #2184877
Remember the topic subject: the idea was to give a voice to those who didn’t get it and what they have experienced. Another example was Rav Michael Green who went public. So please keep your selfish, idiotic comments, I’m shocked to read so many judgmental comments implying something like you know it all and the others are just a bunch of crazy.. G-d will judge all of us, the stupid one won’t be spared.April 27, 2023 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2184901Amil ZolaParticipant
CS: Your assumptions are just that.April 27, 2023 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #2184975Dan TheParticipant
Shmuel Shapira is a grifter who convinced the government to give him millions of dollars to devolpe BriLife. He cost Israel millions. Bibi was dumb to listen to him and fall for his sales pitch, but admirably changed course and convinced Pfizer to make Israel the first country to get the vaccines. I think that was Bibi’s best moment as PM. Israel was able to be the first out of covid and was ranked by the Economist as the second best economy and fourth happiest country. I am convinced that a lot had to do with the fact that they were first to get the vaccine.April 27, 2023 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #2184977Dan TheParticipant
Getting a vaccine which was approved by the FDA is not the same as doing experiments on concentration camp prisoners.April 27, 2023 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #2184991
If the OP wants to get anything beyond flames, maybe he could provide some specific information rather than simply inflammatory logic. Seems like people live in different information spaces and what is obvious to one is nonsense for others.
So, if you can show that, say, more people died from vaccine than from covid, people might consider your argument on merit, or something like that. On the other hand, many people here think that millions of lives were saved by the Trump’s vaccines, so whatever negatives you can come up with, we wold like you to weigh against those lives.April 27, 2023 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #2184992
Dan THe > I think that was Bibi’s best moment as PM.
Indeed, Dr. Bourla in his books describes some of his conversations with Bibi and says that Bibi read between the lines and understood that Bourla is looking for a test country, and then Bibi was able to convince him that Israel will be the best such country, despite the reluctance. My reading of reluctance – in part because two Pfizer Jews in charge might be seen as doing favors for other Jews, and also Bourla seems to be left-of-center, so did not want to help Bibi that much (Bourla even skipped a visit to Israel before the election on a made-up excuse).April 28, 2023 8:31 am at 8:31 am #2185056
There was a state of emergency that legally allows all govts not just to bypass the laws but also to inflict the worse treatments possible on the population. The state of emergency will be lifted on May 11th and some people will have to answer for their actions!!
How can anyone accept a statement such as: “I believe Israel has become the world’s lab right now because they are using only our vaccine at this state and they have vaccinated a very big part of their population, so we can study both economy and health indices,” does that mean israelis are your favorites lab’s rats Albert?!April 28, 2023 11:31 am at 11:31 am #2185105yochyParticipant
Enough already. Whether or not you believe in taking the shot or who should take it or even whether it was successful in minimizing the effects of the virus for those that ultimately got it or whether people should be forced to take it, I think we need to remember that millions of people died just two years ago from this and we were desperate for an answer. Let not minimize this in hindsight- especially for older people and those in high risk categories. For many populations, not all, the risks of the shot were far lower than the risks of getting covid at that point.April 28, 2023 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm #2185117
Shoud I call you Vichy instead? Don’t you get it? Those were not “vaccines” they have never been tested, and please stop staying “at least” elderly people should get it! What a shame! Don’t they have the right to live those elderly people, and those children? There is something fundamental in medecine: whenever there is a doubt, one MUST abstain to cause harm. None of this was “sanitary!” Masks fell off, for sureApril 28, 2023 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #2185129
There was no State of Emergency to bypass all laws. That would be Martial Law. That didn’t happen. I know. I was alive then and remember it well.
In your opinion, what is the definition of the word ‘vaccine’?
Can you post where I can find out about this conference? I never heard anyone mention it.
I don’t understand why you consider this an experimental treatment. The companies conducted one of the largest trials ever before they received Emergency FDA approval.
Several different vaccines became available about the same time. Is that what you mean by everyone was injected with different stuff? Or did you mean the change in dosing? Or the delivery agent?
How does getting a covid vaccine violate the right to live?
The fundamental rule you reffered to, is: cause no harm. Not abstain from care.
I don’t understand why you mentioned masks.April 28, 2023 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #2185137yeshivaguy45Participant
Nomesorah-in case you’re interested, you can google Rabbinical panel hears 8 hours covid collive and it should come upApril 28, 2023 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #2185138
Nomeso and chatgpt: Altho I found your comments cynically hilarious, have a great shabbos and don’t forget to bring some cholent to bubby. Especially chatgpt bubby.April 28, 2023 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #2185148
@yeshivaguy45 @nomesorah @Zetruth Wow, so the 8 hour conference call was the total opposite of what it was claimed to be. It was not with the Crown Heights Beis Din. It was with a bunch of random people from Crown Heights. The Crown Heights Beis Din actually put forward a statement condemning the call and urging people to get vaccinated.April 28, 2023 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #2185156
I thought it was so. But one tiny correction. The official Beis Din didn’t directly put out the statement. The B”D of Crown Heights is of the opinion that they only address medical questions with the advice of doctors. So instead of officially announcing it, one member of the B”D put out his own statement.April 28, 2023 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #2185195
Thanks for defending the honor of the beis din. Maybe others can explain how they came to the conclusion that the call was from the beis din – did they listen to a call and misunderstood or someone mis-informed them?April 28, 2023 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #2185213
The beth din issued a halachic decision forbidding those injections after side effects were reported. I’m not going to thank you for defending big pharma crimes,failures and earnings. Sorry.April 28, 2023 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #2185214
All vaccines were tested through a usual 3-Phase protocol – starting with a small group to select the dose, 2nd group to verify safety and 3rd to verify both safety and effect. The only difference that everything in the process was compressed in time – every step of testing (and production) was done as early as possible, and many people were involved in trying to achieve this success.
Some might be confused by the fact that, of course, testing was limited in time. Many _medicines_ are routinely tested for years to ensure safety. Note the difference between medicines and vaccines. If you look at statistics of recalls over decades, there are medicines that are discovered 5-10 years later to have undesirable side effects. I did not see vaccines having a similar effect. The difference is
that medicines might be taken over years, while vaccines are finite events, so potential side effects are found out quickly.
All of that is, of course, water under the bridge. By now, all of the vaccines were tested over several years and billions of people. Some possible complications,, like myocarditis, were analyzed and found to have some elevated risk but lower than risk of getting sick by the virus even for the healthiest categories. A couple of vaccines were not recommended for some sub-populations. By now, everyone had a multiple combinations of vaccines and infections (hopefully, in that order) and effect of additional ones is way lower than the first events.April 29, 2023 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #2185323
What a fool! They lied to you. This data was made up and pfizer executive admitted it. That one is in 100% denial mode.April 29, 2023 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #2185349
What Pfizer executive admitted What? Please clarify.
Also, by now, there’s so much research published from multiple countries, such as UK and Israel, and multiple hospitals, each using their own data, are you claiming that someone contacted all of these research teams and changed their results?April 29, 2023 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #2185353moishekapoiehParticipant
I wonder how many of these loooong posts were AI generated.
R we now citing artificial halachos?April 30, 2023 10:07 am at 10:07 am #2185480
@always ask … first you need to clarify what “research” from Uk and Israel you are talking about. It’s a serious matter, healthy people in their 40’s and 50’s are suddenly dropping dead. Can you call this “natural” death? Instead of trying so hard to prove me wrong, try to find some real arguments backing your ” 100% effective vaccine” theory. You apologize for gaslighting people and then you keep trying to portray those as some dummies/irrelevant/fake claims pros. I’m so impressed, more please..April 30, 2023 10:55 am at 10:55 am #2185498
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