May 10, 2021 8:54 am at 8:54 am #1972429
Now that covid is starting to fade the question is the lack of civility here to stay?
People have been call rotzchim and killers on one side and mosrim and kapos on the other.
A shul in Florida banned people from recieving kibbudim for operating a outdoor minyan one shabbos, and certain mosdos banned peole who informed from using th shuls services.
The question is now that covid bh appears to be fading out do we forgive and forget or have certain people crossed a line that is not acceptable?May 10, 2021 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #1972535ParticipantParticipant
I guess you’re asking whether the name calling was meant literally.May 10, 2021 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #1972610
Covid is not the first example of this behavior. Some people hold grudges longer than others. And with these kinds of people money is always a factor……….May 11, 2021 8:35 am at 8:35 am #1972741lakewhutParticipant
COVID just brought out what was under the surface. These OU souls are still figuring out if they should open.May 11, 2021 10:07 am at 10:07 am #1972982
@particpant, this goes far beyond words,
When a shul in Florida banning people from the amud and getting a kibbud because they participated in a outdoor minyan.
When a mosed bans someone because he was active in misirah.
When friendship stop because of ones view of the others compliance or lack there of.
when someone posts this in the CR
“but I am immodest enough to think that my chances are not enhanced by davening with possible/potential murderers, but maybe even decreased for the sin of associating with such people.May 11, 2021 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1973062
Your last example is just words.May 11, 2021 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm #1973093ParticipantParticipant
“this goes far beyond words”
then they meant these things literally and won’t stop (and shouldn’t either, unless they change their perspective).May 11, 2021 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #1973226se2015Participant
“but maybe even decreased for the sin of associating with such people”
I wouldn’t even daven with someone who thought that was merely a maybe.May 13, 2021 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #1974189
“Let there be no hope for informers, and may all the heretics and all the wicked instantly perish; may all the enemies of Your people be speedily extirpated; and may You swiftly uproot, break, crush and subdue the reign of wickedness speedily in our days. Blessed are You L-rd, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.”
sounds familiar? I would not daven with a moserMay 13, 2021 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #1974229se2015Participant
First of all I think you missed the joke. Second, I didn’t say anything about mesirah; I said I wouldn’t daven with people who even had a tzad that it was ok to daven with possible/potential murderers. Third, what counts as a moser is not that simple. If you believe that maskless indoor shuls are/were possible/potential murderers, then it isn’t at all obvious that mesirah applies. Fourth, an argument can be made that maskless indoor shulgoers are/were themselves enemies of Hashem’s people. That said, I don’t pray for anyone specifically to “extirpated.”May 13, 2021 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1974334
@2015, I guess I missed the joke, stick to your day jobMay 13, 2021 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1974371Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
I am not sure there was much of informing going on. I think most people just walked around the maskless. Maybe reporting yungeleit to Roshei Yeshiva or Kollel (in places where the latter cared).
I did not hear about people calling police on unmasked minyanim. Was it happening
I am also not sure what’s the deal with refusing kibud to those who davened outside. Again, outside of my experience. What exactly is the accusation? separating from the tzibur? making the others feel guilty? following hukat goyim?May 14, 2021 11:11 am at 11:11 am #1974447
I guess you must have missed these threads:May 19, 2021 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #1975259Avi KParticipant
If the people who held the pirate minyan do not want to abide by their shul’s rules they should leave and start their own shul. This is a hallowed Jewish tradition.May 20, 2021 12:37 am at 12:37 am #1975398Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Avi K>> This is a hallowed Jewish tradition.
R Berel Wein writes that if there are 100 Jews in a city, Hashem wants to have one shul with 100 people. Jews make 10 shuls with 10 people. Then, as you suggest, we end up with 11 shuls with 9 people. now, R Wein is a Litvish historian, if you can say that, so Hasidim might disagree.
As I understand the halakha, if people truly cannot stand each other, then they should form different shuls.May 20, 2021 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1975694Amil ZolaParticipant
Even when my husband was alive we would comment on the lack of civility here in the Coffee Room. It predates the pandemic.May 20, 2021 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #1975720🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I don’t remember your husband and I am truly sorry for your loss, especially as he must have been young young.
I do find it odd, considering how you “speak” to others here, that you would be complaining about lack of civility.May 20, 2021 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1975728🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
AAQ – whenever i hear people tell that story as if it’s not a horrible stain on who we are, and something we should be utterly shamed about i feel very sad for us.May 20, 2021 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #1975738Amil ZolaParticipant
I don’t apologize for being direct. My spouse posted very little here. We mostly used the CR for entertainment, ya know, dramatic readings of someones tirade.May 20, 2021 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #1975745
Just a thought. While there behaviors are not new, there was not much going on in the first month of the shutdowns. So these things were all magnified. And while during a different time we could debate all the politics and unseen motives, this time we had a much clearer view of how certain public figures think.
Last year I insisted that there is nothing to gain by being critical of either party. And I am still sticking by that. What happened later in the summer is a different story.May 20, 2021 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1975768
@amil, Frankly who cares what is said in CR, its just a blog, I am talking real world banning people from shul, not giving people aliyas etc. etc.May 21, 2021 8:13 am at 8:13 am #1975941Avi KParticipant
Always, don’t you know that every Jew needs two shuls and why?
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