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We were cheated as youngsters, big time. Ba ba black sheep and twinkle twinkle little star are the exact same tune. Just a small kneitch in the middle made us think they were different. What chutzpah the composers of these nursery rhyme had.
Also the alphabet song.
Mozart composed twinkle twinkle little star when he was 6 years old (or so the story goes). It is also, incidentally, the same tune used for the ABC’s.
And also “Twinkle, twinkle, little bat
How I wonder what you’re at
Up above the world you fly
Like a tea-tray in the sky
Twinkle, twinkle little bat
How I wonder what you’re at” is the same tune!
how about from “Sorry I Just Don’t Have the Time”
Stop and think and look around you?
taken from Tchaikovsky The Nutcracker Dance of the reed flutes
what about yidden & the goyish tune
what about hashem melech & the goyish version
One of Dedi’s songs is taken from Abba (a non jewish pop group). The composer is given as ????? ???? ???.
We ued to sing this on the bus as kids TTTO: The ABC’s/twinkle/Ba
(The first two lines)
I know 3 songs, that have the same tune
Watch as we sing them together in this room
Then we’d break off to 3 different groups and each sing the different songs together at the same time to the same tune and finish with:
I know 3 songs, that have the same tune
We just sung them together in this room
The Barney theme song and Yankee Doodle
Good morning! about time everybody realised
The tune for Dedis “yimloch hashem” is a combination of the tunes for the song take my breath away from the movie dirty dancing and what a feeling from the movie flashdance.
MBDs shabbos song (on an old collection of yiddish songs) is the tune from the joseph song from the musical joseph and the technicolor dream coat.
Most of the popular “introductions” at todays weddings are taken note for note from popular classic rock songs.
Most of the tunes used on country yossi and the shteeble hoppers come from popular country music artists (at least CY owns up to the fact that his songs are parodies).
Try good advice from uncle moishy – alan sherman
or how about piamenta’s Ashar Bara – I Come from a land down under by:Men At Work
or try Gerry Refferty’s Baker Street
This list can keep going on and on
or an old camp song Hello by Lionel Richie
shopping613
who determined which kids would be in each of the 3 groups?
“One of Dedi’s songs is taken from Abba (a non jewish pop group). The composer is given as ????? ???? ???. “
poppa bar abba?
It was announced before the song, someone would say, that first third would be ______ the middle _______ and the back _________
I recently heard some non-Jewish people singing the melody used
in a Simcha Leiner song – don’t know the title, but it includes
the lyrics “sasson v’simcha.” Can anyone name the original song?
“I recently heard some non-Jewish people singing the melody used
in a Simcha Leiner song – don’t know the title, but it includes
the lyrics “sasson v’simcha.” Can anyone name the original song?”
It’s actually better not to know these things. If you know the original words, and if they are assur, then it becomes assur to listen to the Jewish song if you end up thinking about the original words. So says R’ Matisyahu Salomon, Shlita, in one of his books. Otherwise, it’s not a problem.
Geordie, seriously, “niggun mi’beis Abba”??
I’m the only one ROTFL?
Golfer: “Geordie, seriously, “niggun mi’beis Abba”??
I’m the only one ROTFL?”
lol, I hadn’t seen that. Sounds like “Shimon & Garfinkel”.
If a song uses the tune from another song, it is assur.
The Jeopardy theme song is just “Twinkle Twinkle” with a funky beat.
“I recently heard some non-Jewish people singing the melody used
in a Simcha Leiner song – don’t know the title, but it includes
the lyrics “sasson v’simcha.” Can anyone name the original song?”
Down Under by Men at Work..
In Mordechai Shapiro’s new song Schar Mitzvah, almost everything but the high part is copied from a kol isha non-Jewish song, but I doubt the mods want me naming it.
RebYidd23, if a song uses the tune from another song that got its tune from a third song, it’s muttar.
2yo thread
To the tune of RY’s Twinkle Twinkle Little Bat:
Twinkle Twinkle little car
How you drive so very far
Way way beyond the speed zone
On the way you knock a cone
Twinkle Twinkle little car
How you drive so very far
“If a song uses the tune from another song, it is assur”
According to R’ Matisyahu it’s not. Not unless the other song has bad words and you know the words and you will think of them when you hear the music.
Nevermind whether it’s permissible, is it hashkafically appropriate?
FuturePotus- From what R’ Matisyahu wrote, it didn’t sound like he thought it was a problem. He wrote that it’s only the words of goyish music that is a problem, not the music.
He then does go on to make some negative comments about certain types of music, but I don’t remember exactly what he wrote (but he definitely didn’t say assur).
Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with it, but it may be a sensitivity issue and perhaps I’m not on the level to see why it’s a problem. But I do think that it is the kind of thing that you can’t say that someone else is doing something wrong even if you feel that it is not appropriate for yourself.
lilmod ulelamaid: I hear your point, but I’d like to the following: Me back in high school would have said, and have said as follows: Why would I want to listen to this song (referring to an average Jewish song), which is merely a fake shadow of the original song, when it has a message I don’t really care to hear or relate to, and it’s ripoff of a song that was better overall, more skillfully produced, and sung with someone with a more beautiful voice, and the original has a meaning that I actually find relevant to my everyday life? The answer I found is that there really is no reason that on my level, I should. I may have been immature back then, but I still find it a valid question.
A song with the tune copied from another song is assur regardless of the origin and content of the original song.
Rebyidd- where’s your source? according to you many of the nigunim from rosh hashana and yom kippur are asur
I am not a music expert, However I do know there are only so many combinations of music on an 8 note scale that are possible since there arent that many notes.
All the combinations have already been done on a 8 note scale. There is no such thing as new music. Its impossible on a 8 note scale (It can be done on a 12 note scale..but few music uses that)
Same as cheating on a test is assur regardless of whether you’re copying from a tzaddik or a rasha.
if a jewish composer cant originate he should not imitate
Music? Pas’t nisht.
Could lead to dancing. 😉
Vehamayvin yovin.
Yes Golfer. Took you two years but finally….
It’s actually better not to know these things. If you know the original words, and if they are assur, then it becomes assur to listen to the Jewish song if you end up thinking about the original words. So says R’ Matisyahu Salomon, Shlita, in one of his books. Otherwise, it’s not a problem.
I have no plans to listen to the Simcha Leiner song again.
Down Under by Men at Work.
That’s the Piamentas’ “Asher Bara” you’re thinking of.
High part of @ELIGERSTNER’s “Those Were the Nights” (YBC5) is the same tune as @YehudaCik’s “Music For The Rebbi” (Modim)
SiDi™
Why do you need to promote their Twitter accounts? 🙂
I’m no longer sure the Leiner song copied its melody from
whatever song I heard – they’re not exactly the same, although
what I was hearing was a non-singer singing casually and not
an attempt to record the song in question. Someone elsewhere
on the Internet (not responding to me) did mention a name, though.
…Schar Mitzvah, almost everything… is copied from a kol isha non-Jewish song, but I doubt the mods want me naming it.
Perhaps they’ll let you post the initials of the song and artist
(note whether singer or group) and the year of the song’s release?
Why do you need to promote their Twitter accounts? 🙂
It was a tweet pasted here, so it is in Twitter format.
SiDi™
What about music that the jewish and non-jewish versions have the same exact words with 1 or 2 changes but it’s the same thing? are you allowed to listen to that?
JA – if there are no bad words in the Jewish version it would be fine, unless there are bad words in the Goyish version, and you know the words.
If I’m not mistaken, the only music that you are, according to
halocho (hashkafic/spiritual considerations aside), not allowed
to listen to is music that is designated for use in ceremonies of
avodah zarah (church music, for example).
Randomex – if it has pritzus, it’s also a problem. Or nibbul peh.
What happens when you’re at at store and they play Xmas carols? Can you still shop?
Didn’t we have a thread on this? Or is Xmas music different than Xmas carols, which are traditionally sung in the church (at least that’s what they show on tv).
“The Jeopardy theme song is just “Twinkle Twinkle” with a funky beat.”
No it’s not
nibbul peh
Is that when you chew on your cheek/lips etc.
SiDi™
If it has pritzus, it’s also a problem. Or nibbul peh.
I’d forgotten about that. You wouldn’t be allowed to
listen to that even in a non-musical context, though.
(Also, by “nibbul peh” you presumably mean foul language.
See here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/does-foul-language-make-things-assur/page/2 )
What happens when you’re at at store and they play Xmas carols? Can you still shop?
Didn’t we have a thread on this? Or is Xmas music different than Xmas carols, which are traditionally sung in the church (at least that’s what they show on tv).
Carols are also sung at home and at other people’s doorways (“caroling”).
Secular music made for the season is not in the category we’re
talking about, although I would wonder about songs praising Yoshke – could songs dedicated to a”z be a problem even if
they’re not part of its official worship? I don’t know.
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