March 2, 2009 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #589530March 2, 2009 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #642880
I fail to see why el presidente O is better than witless WMarch 2, 2009 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #642881
squeak, i’m not a fan of any president (you gotta be an idiot to run in the first place) but George Dubya isn’t exactly the brightest man on two feet. not that Obama is any better yet, but at least he has a higher IQ. that leaves more room for potential, i guess.March 2, 2009 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #642882
no, brains is not a ma’aleh unless you also have proper ideals. This guy wants to turn this country into a handout (aka socialist) society. But you’re preaching to the choir when you mention W lack of brains.March 2, 2009 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #642883
I disagree. The best I can say about W is what we say about Eisav – at least he was intent on Kibbud Av.March 2, 2009 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #642884
wonderful. stupid is a lot worse than evil, in my opinion. hey there’s for sure a mishna that says that somewhere… there’s gotta be one it sounds too good for there not to be…March 2, 2009 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #642885baal kishronParticipant
im just waiting for yw editor to get involved in this one if anyone remembers he started a thread like a week ago about dubya . . .March 2, 2009 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #642886
hey my last one didn’t go through.
all i said was that stupid is far worse than evil. that’s what people were saying about Palin, right? why do you think they lost? people are petrified of stupid people in positions of power. there’s no telling what they could do.March 2, 2009 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #642887
you’re kidding, right? i think I know more than she does about the economy and about foreign policy! and that’s not saying much. did you LISTEN to her speak? she’s blank. maybe she’s not stupid, but she knows nothing.
why are we talking about her, anyway? i just used her as an example for “stupid people”
…back to bush and obama…March 2, 2009 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #642889
because she was so funny! Google the clip with her discussing the bailout, and why it is necessary (because it will make healthcare affordable for main street). That clip is a treat!
Palin Couric Bailout HealthcareMarch 3, 2009 12:23 am at 12:23 am #642890feivelParticipant
i dont follow politics
so its safe to say i wont win any arguments here
but i am a good judge of character
mr bush is clearly a man of rare integrity, one who makes his decisions based on the values he holds, and not on expediency
very unusual for a politician.
very important for a leader.March 3, 2009 1:17 am at 1:17 am #642891JosephParticipant
I completely concur with Feivel.March 3, 2009 1:36 am at 1:36 am #642892
squeak, thanks! i’m laughing i saw this a while ago and i just listened to it twice and i have no idea what the heck she’s talking about. maybe that’s just because i’m ignorant?? i guess that’s possible…
just by the way, to be fair, katie couric didn’t exactly make palin look greatMarch 3, 2009 2:02 am at 2:02 am #642893mw13Participant
sammyjoe: I happen to think Bush was a great president, but even if you disagree, how does all this insulting him help anything?March 3, 2009 3:04 am at 3:04 am #642894mazal77Participant
Sammyjoe- I think Bush knows and knew alot more things about the government then the public should have known. Please list any other government experience President Obama has. The new president has never served in any of the U.S. Military services. He will socialize the government, already happening with the banks. He will take away the right to bear arms, a right I think is very important. With Hilary Clinton, already giving 900, million dollars to re-build Gaza (as if this country can afford to do that) Do you know what that means??? If that money is used to re-build Gaza, do you think Americans will be happy to see Israelis try to defend themselves again by firing Misiles into American money built buildings in Gaza?? Unfortunately, I find most Americans to be very fickle and have no understanding of the Government and how things work. Oh, and I don’t listen to Talk Radio, so please don’t think I’ve been brainwashed. I am just wondering who shaped your opinions?? I think as Jews, we have bigger issues to worry about, then money. Because when it’s all said and done, We have Hashem to trust in and no other Government or institution will save us.March 3, 2009 3:19 am at 3:19 am #642895
feivel, ames, Joseph, others: I understand your position. Mr. Bush was indeed a man of rare integrity (for a politician) and he did indeed restore the White House from its status as a house of ill-repute. He was a man of conviction who appeared to always want to do the right thing. But I cannot think of a single thing that he did that was right, so despite his character and despite his integrity, I declare his presidency a disaster.
I’d be pleased to have him as a neighbor, and I’d probably be willing to lend him my car keys. But he should never have been in charge of anything more important than ordering dinner at a restaurant.
Anyway, never mind my opinion, because empirical facts show the damage that occurred during these past 8 years. Even those who refuse to see his faults will have to admit at some point that his strategery is what got us so deep into the mess we now find ourselves in.
Of course, it’s all Hashem.March 3, 2009 3:29 am at 3:29 am #642896
squeak, i hereby pronounce us friends 😉March 3, 2009 3:55 am at 3:55 am #642898
Long have I awaited this happy news! By what means were you caused to arrive at this conclusion?March 3, 2009 3:58 am at 3:58 am #642899
well if two frum(ish) yidden can agree that Bush is an idiot and got this country into a mess, i think it would be a waste for them to not form a friendship. don’t you say?March 3, 2009 4:04 am at 4:04 am #642900mazal77Participant
I think it was from agreeing that it’s all from Hashem, Moish.March 3, 2009 4:16 am at 4:16 am #642901
ames, very funny. you know i still consider myself frum(ish). what else would you call me? not frum? maybe i’m not but i’m too involved in things to be “secular.” i live at home and most of my friends go to yeshiva and bais yakov. so what else would i call myself?March 3, 2009 4:32 am at 4:32 am #642902RoshYeshivahMember
Squeak- If there’s anyway you can explain what bush has to do with the current situation you’re worth millions! Even our dear president couldn’t come up with concrete reasons. Most of us have forgotten rather fast that economy had it’s best times under the former president! The american economy in the first term of president bush was the envy of the world! With the help of hashem there hasn’t been a single terrorsist attack on american soil since 9/11.Now i don’t know where Mr obama lived when the twin towers came down but i do know that whatever strategy prevented further attacks on the good ppl of america i would continue to pursue and not try so hard to change it as we are seeing with the current president.Who is he doing a favor by releasing terrorsists who deserve never to see the light of day again?! I can’t see any problem president bush didn’t face adequately.March 3, 2009 4:33 am at 4:33 am #642903
ok i REALLY don’t wanna discuss this right now. just mentioning that i never called myself frum either. just ish.
and this is waaay off topic. (i can’t imagine anything getting further.) just notice how it wasn’t ME who started it.March 3, 2009 4:40 am at 4:40 am #642904
rosh, you know how much the war in Iraq is costing? and on what grounds did they invade? because there MIGHT be something there? where exactly are the “weapons of mass destruction??” america never found any… so maybe they never were??March 3, 2009 5:05 am at 5:05 am #642905
Fievel: how do we know that ur a good judge of charecterMarch 3, 2009 6:10 am at 6:10 am #642906JosephParticipant
moish, should we not take on Iran, since we are not certain Iran has or is building WMD? Maybe if we attack Iran we will end up finding out they in fact don’t have WMD.
Should we wait till we c’v see a mushroom cloud rising above an American city before we attack Iran?March 3, 2009 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #642907
Rosh, I KNOW that I’m worth millions. What’s your point?
At some point, I might go into a lecture about how the W years put us in this mess, but it would be mighty technical (require some knowledge of macroeconomics) and long. Believe me, the pundits know this too, but it is difficult to deliver a message that will go right over the heads of the general public.March 3, 2009 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #642908noitallmrParticipant
“Fievel: how do we know that ur a good judge of charecter “
sammyjoe- His post proves it!March 3, 2009 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #642909
.. or disproves it.March 3, 2009 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #642910
Ha even the head of the republican party says that the all mighty Rush is a entertainer! ha ha all u ywn ditto brainwashed zombies (sorry for getting carried away) u see that your daios are from entertainment, not pure reason or interllect. you all took the bait and the fishing rod too!March 3, 2009 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #642911
Ames, k cool. because he doesn’t know how to read…
Joseph, don’t you know that America cares about the dollar more than anything else? How many Vietnams could we get ourselves into without destroying the economy? (Not that it isn’t already destroyed, but there’s always worse.)
You know what would happen if/when we invaded Iran? If they do have WMD (which they probably do) this country would be flattened before you could say “boo.” And if they don’t (which i highly doubt) it would never end. Because there’s no pulling out till the mission is over and if the mission is based on bogus then it’ll last forever.
Never mind that “bad economy” means “kick the Jews out.” That’s always how it is.March 3, 2009 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #642912
Now that we’re friends moish, will you invite me to play basketball? I’ll go easy on you, good buddy.March 3, 2009 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #642913
you’ll go easy on me?? that’s a funny joke. (i always knew you had the humor in there somewhere!)
we’ll play alright, but i like football better, ok old man? (we had an awesome game this morning in the snow – it’s worth waking up in the AM for that ;))March 3, 2009 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #642914areivimzehlazehParticipant
Ames, k cool. because he doesn’t know how to read… <<
moish & ames- I will not tolerate this talking behind my back…
It greatly saddens me to state that I disagree with my CR friends moish & squeak on this topic; and I actually fully agree with feivel, Joseph & Rosh Yeshiva.
PS- RY, well said
I probably couldn’t hold a solid argument with squeak on this (although I do have some close connections with a pro in macroeconomics), but my opinion remains strong.March 3, 2009 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #642915
hey i’m convinced that:
- you people are all racists
- you’re just saying all that because it’s more frum to be republican. you don’t really feel strongly about any of it. take bush’s policies and put them into a democrat and you would all oppose the candidate.
it’s ok, i expect you all to blow up on me – i know you’re all gonna say that you’re not racist. i don’t buy it.March 3, 2009 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #642916areivimzehlazehParticipant
fine- say what you want moish….March 4, 2009 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #642919RoshYeshivahMember
Moish when the terrorsists will check to make sure before they attack we’ll give them a chance.Untill then i think The us has no reason to double check on any POSSIBLE threat to OUR security! Btw bush had many other reasons to invade iraq.Number 1 being saadam was a mass murderer.But the biggest reason was to plant a democracy in the heart of the middle east.Unfortunately muslims untill now knew little more than they were taught which is that the west live in terrible conditions and prosecute the rest of the world.Nowdays muslims envy those fortunate to live in iraq which is now a stable country.Just recently an iraqi professor requested israel for israeli books because his students want to know more about what really goes on there! Same goes for afghanistan technology is up a few hundred percent they put their bored heads into iphones instead of terror into tv screens instead of hate! A very great achievement indeed! Alot of potential doctors and lawyers on now being breed on iraqi soil.These same children only a couple of years ago would’ve had only one future-TERROR!March 4, 2009 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #642920
Btw bush had many other reasons to invade iraq.Number 1 being saadam was a mass murderer.But the biggest reason was to plant a democracy in the heart of the middle east.
when is america gonna learn to stop butting in to everyone else’s business?? all we did was add american soldiers to the list of casualties. and stable government? my foot. the second america pulls out it’s gonna be bedlam there.
the arabs aren’t scared of anymore. america is being fooled into thinking that they are still the ones in control. that’s my opinion, anyway.March 4, 2009 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #642921
moish – rule #1 of online communication is never read a rambling post.March 4, 2009 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #642922
squeak, i’m not ADD in any which way or form but i’ll admit i had to read that a couple of times to get through it.March 4, 2009 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #642923
If he doesn’t take the time to write it, don’t take the time to read it.March 4, 2009 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #642924yossieaParticipant
All Presidents from Carter on are to blame, but the bulk of the blame should be split between the people and the Congress. The President does not pass laws, the Congresscritters are the ones who do that. The CRA that Congress passed might’ve been the catalyst, but every Congress should share the blame. The problem with Obama is that his change he wants to implement is to turn this country into a new socialist country. Taking a look at Wall St. most capitalists don’t like the sound of that.March 4, 2009 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #642925
ames, I just had to after your previous post
“Never argue with a fool. First they drag down to their level, then they beat you with their experience.”March 4, 2009 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #642926
well that’s half of the reason why i say that you gotta be an idiot to even run. everyone else messes up and you get the blame. (i guess it’s good if you’re trying to work on your middos, but somehow i doubt that’s the case)
and speaking of socialism… hmmmm… sound like a good idea to me 😉
ok, jk!March 4, 2009 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #642927
If you think it fits the criteria of being inspirational, I give you permission to post it. I’m not really ‘inspired’ by it.
FYI I am a sucker for quotesMarch 4, 2009 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #642928
come on, ames. how many people can honestly say they are not racist even a drop? this is an anonymous forum so i expect you to be honest.
heck, i’m a communist and i’ve got friends who aren’t jewish and i still can’t say i don’t feel like i’m upper class. (in other words, yes i guess i am a little racist)March 4, 2009 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #642929
hey 39, i thought i was the only sucker on here 😉
(where’s areivim? he’s gonna start a whole new rant if he reads this)March 4, 2009 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #642930
moish, I am upper class and I am not racist. I am against the poor behavior that people exhibit, regardless of skin color. Nazis were white and I hate them. Bill Cosby I really like. Go figure.
Do realize there is a difference between racism and bigotryMarch 4, 2009 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #642931
moish, you’re a commie? What does that mean?
ames, you’re upper class? Can I be your court jester?
(N.B. I also consider myself upper class, but because of my education – not affluence. I am assuming that you did not have the same intent.)March 4, 2009 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #642932
i just said that i have friends like that. and yeah, the cosby show is great. i’m sure any KKK members would laugh too if they sat down and watched it.
there’s no way you’re not prejudice. just from the way you’re talking. and i have nothing against a black person being president. not that i’m in love with obama, but i’m certain it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. (i could be fooling myself, but if i am, i’m doing a really good job.)
ok, how’s for a joke?
? ?/?b?g?tri/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [big-uh-tree] Show IPA
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.
2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
mod, were you referring to #1 or #2 just now?? 😉
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