March 11, 2009 3:15 am at 3:15 am #642993
ab- No President Obama does not have a way out, ultimately he is accountable to Hashem for decisions made during his administration. Whatever happened during the Administration of President Bush was orchestrated by Hashem. My concern is when we trust in the hands of the President instead of remembering that Hashem the King is in charge.March 11, 2009 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #642994
Ironic how much you two Outbackers care about this.March 11, 2009 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #642995
squeak: I am not from Australia.March 12, 2009 12:49 am at 12:49 am #642996torahtzivaMember
I would like to put my 3 sense into this situation
mr. bush was a man of sincerity and integrity. He didn’t do things because of public push/opinion, he made moves for the U.S. because he knew they were right. HE NEVER changed his mind on a topic because of PO. He was a very Very smart man.
ON the other hand Mr. Obama does things to look good in the eyes of the people. He does things to get elected as the president. He speaks very well which is how he got to be president. Mr. obama has no no no experience in anything. A man 47 years of age. A couple years in the senate. That you call experience??????? The economy is not his fault and neither is it bush’s. Bush made good moves. THe economy has not much to do with the president. It has to do with the people of the US. Everyone was living on credit cards, buying houses they weren’t able to afford, and then when forclosure comes they wonder why…. The market was overvalued. it was pure gambling. The president doesn’t have much power in what the people do…March 12, 2009 2:51 am at 2:51 am #642997
Hashem Ashreicha!!!March 13, 2009 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #642998
George Bush was a bracha from the Ribono Shel Olam to Klal Yisroel.
Now we are being tested with this ben chom.March 15, 2009 12:36 am at 12:36 am #642999
If George Bush was such a bracha why did many people lose their jobs during his last administration? Not only that, why are people in other countries also victims of the same fate? I think the only sector that benefited were the Corporate Rich who employed top notch accountants who adroitly were able to save the CR money on their Income Taxes. In the frum olam I thought we believe black is beautiful, which is not exclusive to Yiddin. Which makes me wonder if some posters are color blind.March 15, 2009 3:04 am at 3:04 am #643000sammyjoeMember
G W started this mess! he started a war to avenge his dad! that war cost us dearly in pr and money.March 15, 2009 3:36 am at 3:36 am #643001
The economy goes in up and down cycles irregardless who is in power.
Regarding what the Torah says about Chom, please see this CR thread:March 15, 2009 5:52 am at 5:52 am #643002
Will Hill, thanks for your post. I’m not sure how it’s relevant here, unless you are implying that President Obama is a descendant of Cham, based on the fact that he’s Black (actually he’s biracial). If so, how do you know that all Black people are descended from Cham, and only from Cham? Please cite a halachic/ anthropological source for this.March 15, 2009 6:08 am at 6:08 am #643003
I would like to amend my previous post, as I’ve missed the edit window. On reading the relevant pesukim in parshas Noach, it seems that Cham himself was not cursed, but rather his son C’naan was cursed to be a slave to his brothers. Therefore I’d like you to cite your halachic/ anthropological sources stating that President Obama is a descendant of C’naan. There are many dark-skinned people living throughout the world today; how do you know all of them are descended from C’naan?March 17, 2009 11:50 am at 11:50 am #643006
I refer you once again to the OP in the aforementioned CR thread. Please see the referenced Gemora, Sanhedrin 108b, Bereishis Rabbah, and Zohar. It is rather clear that the color is a result of Noach’s curse. Whether it was applicable to all of Cham’s progeny or just all of Canaan ben Cham’s progeny, the color is the signature of the afflicted.April 19, 2009 7:55 am at 7:55 am #643009kapustaParticipant
anon for this, not that this has to do with anything really but it’s interesting, cham and Obama have the same gematriah of 48.April 19, 2009 9:05 am at 9:05 am #643010moish01Member
joseph, i can’t believe you said that. i keep checking over and over to make sure my eyes are not deceiving me… what made you come to that conclusion? and when was this??April 19, 2009 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #643013moish01Member
wow joseph, welcome to reality! i sound like the biggest obama fan, but i’m really not. bush was in fact the worst president the US ever had. and that’s since 1789. quite an accomplishment, i must say.April 19, 2009 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #643014
Yeh your all right. Bush was the worst president we could have ever had. He only caught Osama Bin Laden I mean that was the worst thing he could have done, and he only stopped a dictator and started to bring democracy to Iraq. He was horrible.
Although we did have Clinton who lied at every possible chance, and Nixon who broke the law (both of them were impeached), but your absolutly right. Bush is the worst president we have ever had.April 20, 2009 3:34 am at 3:34 am #643016sammyjoeMember
bush was the worst b”h obama is fixing americas image in the world!April 20, 2009 8:38 am at 8:38 am #643017
sammyjoe: Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?April 20, 2009 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #643018
For years before the US went to war in Iraq, Iran and Iraq were at war, which kept either country from causing as much trouble to the rest of the world. The current war in Iraq removed this military threat from Iran, which has allowed Iran to become more of a threat to the US and Israel.
The war in Iraq also forced the US to take on Pakistan as an ally in the war on terror. As recent events in Mumbai have shown, Pakistan has not proven much of an ally in this regard, and US concessions to Pakistan have also hurt its relationship with India.
Perhaps both of these consequences of the war in Iraq (just a couple of many) are worth it since we captured Saddam Hussein (who was only peripherally connected to the 9/11 attacks, if at all) and may succeed in bringing democracy there. There are many dictators in the world and many more countries where democracy doesn’t exist (Saudi Arabia, another ally in the war on terror, is an example of the latter), and the US can’t save them all.
aussieboy, did you write that the US has captured Osama bin Laden? I must not be following the news that well, since I didn’t know about that.April 20, 2009 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #643019
anon for this: At some point you need to take action against them even if they are killing themselves they were still a threat to us (although they may have been a smaller one.
I meant Saddam Hussein not Osama Bin Laden.April 20, 2009 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #643020
aussieboy, exactly what sort of threat did Iraq or Saddam Hussein represent against the US before the war? How did the war in Iraq remove this threat?
While Saddam Hussein may have met with Osama bin Laden before the 9/11 attacks, they were in no way allies. Hussein was a secularist who greatly disliked the religious bin Laden. So far, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. However, in the aftermath of the war, thousands of weapons have been looted. This has probably made the soldiers there somewhat less safe. And, as I’ve noted above, the absence of a military threat from Iraq (and knowing that the US military is already overextended) has allowed Iran to continue its nuclear program with little interference.April 21, 2009 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #643021
Impersonating an official is a crime. The other Joseph should be unregistered or banned. If he be another Joseph.April 21, 2009 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #643022charlie brownMember
but squeak, which Joseph is the other Joseph? Oh and welcome back! Its not May yet, what are you doing here?April 21, 2009 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #643023
I have to stay off the MIA list.
One is josephf. We all know what the f stands for – imposter!
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