September 8, 2022 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #2122687
Amil: The London Beis Din never permitted it, despite Mirvis’ church attendance. Indeed, prior to Sacks no Chief Rabbi attended church services.September 8, 2022 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #2122698
> Why is the wife of a King called Queen, but the husband of a Queen is a prince?
there are 2 different systems: just one person being a king or queen (including British) or the one where both have Royal powers (as in fairtales)September 8, 2022 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #2122700
in US, you can say a brocha on the President or a Governor, probably bli shem.
what is interesting to contemplate – during American revolution, UK was the biggest enemy, now US and UK (and other former British subjects) are closest partners. Sometimes, people fight those who are closest to them … We can learn from that.September 8, 2022 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #2122694
By the way, Camilla now being the Queen of England and all her Commonwealths is sweet payback for the adulteress Diana. (Even though Camilla herself is guilty of the same.)September 8, 2022 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #2122696
Amil: Queen Camilla’s formal title and style today is Her Majesty The Queen Consort. From 2005 until this morning it formally was “Her Royal Highness”.September 8, 2022 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #2122742
“Divorce and separation,” Queen Elizabeth said, “are responsible for some of the darkest evils in our society today.”
And to answer the inevitable questions regarding her children’s divorces, the Queen’s self-proclaimed description of them was “annus horribilis”.September 8, 2022 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #2122755
Ujm, to use a britishism, how come you are so keen on royalty rules? Is it because of my idea expressed above, that malchusa de’ara etc..?
There is a limit, as the rambam in shemoneh perakim lists 5 levels of dibbur, the last being devorim assurim, and the 4th being “devorim nim’asim,” in which he includes “how such and such king os noheg in his palace”September 8, 2022 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #2122780GoldilocksParticipant
Ujm, my reply to that would be that it’s some of the darkest evils of our society that are responsible for divorces.September 9, 2022 7:40 am at 7:40 am #2122782lechoirehParticipant
“It’s not a surprise that England is far ahead of most of the world in refinement, and proper behavior.”
In England it is not common for the royal family to release any information regarding the health of the queen, privacy is respected, vs, in this country the president has to release his full medical history.
We need to learn t respect other people’s privacy here!!September 9, 2022 7:41 am at 7:41 am #2122785
Goldi, it’s a shame that a non-jewish queen’s hashkofos are closer to yiddishkeit than a frum person.
Most marriages end because of normal human failures and frailties, especially money. For every divorce that involved abuse (from either spouse) there are hundreds, even thousands, that don’t.
The percentage of people known to commit domestic abuse contrasted with the divorce rate can serve as ample proof of this. More than half of all marriages end in divorce in America, and fewer than 5% of the population are guilty of domestic violence(as per wikipedia) – that’s a pretty strong indication that despite sensationalist reporting of abused people, it’s not a very common cause of divorce.September 9, 2022 9:33 am at 9:33 am #2122889jackkParticipant
Here in America, we understood what the royal family was in the 1700’s and we rejected them and rebelled against everything that they represented.
President’s are employees of the citizens of this Republic and the people deserve to know the particulars of their health (and taxes too). The royal family is not elected. So the British care about their health only because they have a insatiable curiosity to know everything about them. Prince Harry made the right decision to leave the royal prison.
““It’s not a surprise that England is far ahead of most of the world in refinement, and proper behavior.”
Did you write this before or after your cuppa?
I am gobsmacked. That is some bonkers wishful thinking. Didn’t you just kick out your sod of a PM for really being a minging muppet and prat?September 9, 2022 9:56 am at 9:56 am #2122905
Charles contributed to Diana’s bulimia, swaying towards adultery and causing her death.September 9, 2022 10:48 am at 10:48 am #2122918
Reb Eliezer, Diana’s commiting adultery is inexcusable. Under British law at the time, she was liable to be executed, as the law provided the death penalty if the wife of the heir to the throne committed adultery.September 9, 2022 10:49 am at 10:49 am #2122926
I don’t know why my comment about refinement in british culture is being so maligned – from what I’ve seen of their culture, speech, societal norms… It might be skin deep, as it was in Germany, but every time i hear en English person speak, i hear an aidilkeit. Are there low class people there? Of course – there’s a name for them, I don’t remember right now.
Anyways i forgot to mention that divorce causes single parenthood, one of the key indicators for crime, imprisonment, suicide, drug use, and many other maladies.September 9, 2022 10:50 am at 10:50 am #2122929
Camilla creates a bad taste.September 9, 2022 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2122944commonsaychelParticipant
There has not been any dignity in the Oval Office since 1992 and that includes office holders of parties.September 9, 2022 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #2122958
ujm, is the heir to throne who commits adultery deserves to be executed.September 9, 2022 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2122970
Reb Eliezer, Diana was much worse.September 9, 2022 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2122976
Diana and James Hewitt were guilty of the Treason Act 1351, starting in 1986, a mere five years or less into her marriage. But were subject to (and frankly should have been) executed under the law for having committed treason.September 9, 2022 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #2122997
He threw the mother of his children aside as trash.September 9, 2022 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #2123015GoldilocksParticipant
Ujm and Reb Eliezer: Adultery is always inexcusable, no matter who does it and what the reasons are.September 9, 2022 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #2123025
Reb Eliezer: the mother threw herself under the bus. And she got herself run over.
Goldilocks: Absolutely.September 11, 2022 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #2123473
How is Her Majesty, Queen Camilla doing, after a few days on the throne?September 11, 2022 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #2123507
ujm, you could find out by a simple “how do you do” when you see her, but you have to ask thru a 3rd person given your stance on talking to women.September 12, 2022 12:18 am at 12:18 am #2123512Amil ZolaParticipant
Darn it, was Camilla here? In other news of the royals, a home has been found for the dead queens remaining pooches. It seems Fergie and Andrew are taking them.September 12, 2022 1:07 am at 1:07 am #2123515🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
no, that was Kamala who was hereSeptember 12, 2022 1:26 am at 1:26 am #2123517
Hm, what a coincidence – both England and the Colony have both a dour man at the head, supported by a powerless woman with the same name. Except Joe is Jr (2nd) and Charles is the 3rd.September 12, 2022 11:24 am at 11:24 am #2123590moishekapoiehParticipant
me too: YAWNSeptember 12, 2022 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #2123643
Don’t forget the Consort part of the title.September 12, 2022 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #2123680
The Queen is simply referred to as “Queen Camilla”. Although her full legal title is Camilla, Queen consort of the United Kingdom, she’s formally referred to as Queen Camilla, much as Elizabeth II’s mother, Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, was simply known as Queen Elizabeth when her husband King George was alive.September 17, 2022 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #2125589
Prince Harry’s father is James Hewitt.September 17, 2022 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #2125625
That would take him out of the line to be king then…September 17, 2022 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #2125645
They’re too embarrassed to admit it.September 18, 2022 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #2125843
> That would take him out of the line to be king then…
THAT behavior would probably invalidate lots of kings along the line … Maybe a good reason for a sofek and saying brocha bli shem when meeting a Monarch?September 19, 2022 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #2126352moishekapoiehParticipant
i flipped channels on the t.v., so i only saw parts of this meshugas. no one sneezed, no one coughed.
only in britain.
in america, there would be police lines blocking counter-demonstrators.
i like the american way better.September 19, 2022 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #2126360
According to the wikipedia on James Hewitt:
Hewitt stated to the press in 2002 that Harry had already been born by the time of the affair, a statement also made by Diana’s police bodyguard. He reiterated this in an interview in 2017.September 19, 2022 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #2126370
AAQ, a king in halacha is a king if they rule a country and have the power of life and death, according to some poskim. It doesn’t matter if they are legitimate in their own statutes and tachsisei meluchaSeptember 19, 2022 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #2126378
Avira, this king is a figure head without any power of life and death, so that halacha does not apply.September 19, 2022 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #2126429
> his king is a figure head without any power of life and death,
yes, it looks like he is less deserving a brocha than a governor … although it looks like he can declare a war and that involves life & death.
Also, do we say brocha on a ship captain – he hold life & death during the trip. Not sure about now, but surely did before telegraph and internet.September 20, 2022 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #2126612
I don’t know, if the Prime Minister and Parliament do not concur to the king’s declaring war, is valid.September 20, 2022 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #2126864
So, do we have anyone left in this world that we can relate malchus to?!
Do Xi, Putin, Kim count?! The gevurah side?
Maybe learning world history about Pharaohs and Ninve kings will give us an ideaSeptember 20, 2022 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #2126875
Saudia Arabia is an absolutely monarchy today. So are Dubai, Oman, Brunei, Abu Dhabi and the Vatican.September 20, 2022 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #2126879
Does MBS of Saudi Arabia have the power?September 21, 2022 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #2127129
MBS is the heir apparent Crown Prince. His father is the absolute monarch.September 29, 2022 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #2128363
Trivia: When did England have three Queens simultaneously?September 29, 2022 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #2128574September 30, 2022 9:32 am at 9:32 am #2128641
MBS was just appointed Prime Minister, the de facto leader by King Salman.September 30, 2022 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #2128660mentsch1Participant
Truly enjoying this thread and still waiting for ujm to tell us why he is so knowledgeable in these matters
But I need to take issue with Jackk
our rejection of the monarchy is American propaganda written by the victors.
The truth, we were paying a pittance in taxes that went to a standing army that protected us
the reality is that our forefathers wanted to protect the slave trade.
The brits had already outlawed the trade and even after independence enforced it by boarding american ships
There is a confirmed story of a british warship boarding an american vessel suspected of slavery. The captain tied his slaves to the anchor and when it became apparent that the slave ship would be boarded, he dropped anchor which removed all the slaves (drowning hundreds ) from his ship. The brits couldn’t arrest the captain because the slaves where no longer on the ship.
These are the “men” we look up to as the founding fathers.
Their names grace building like Browns university (family money made in the slave trade)
Say what you want about the monarchy but it is only in the last 50 years that America has earned the right to call itself a relatively moral countryOctober 2, 2022 12:13 am at 12:13 am #21288112scentsParticipant
History is a bunch if lies agreed upon… but that also goes for the version of “truth” you put forth.October 2, 2022 9:17 am at 9:17 am #2128873mentsch1Participant
Can we at least agree that from a hashkafic point of view the founding fathers were “mored bmalchus “ and started a war that got thousands killed all for political reasons?
After all, it isn’t as if the colonists were being abused.
So wasn’t it amoral ? Aren’t they responsible for the bloodshed?
And there are plenty of eyewitnesses to the horrors perpetrated on slaves.
Mark Twain wrote of seeing a live slave hanging from a meat hook inserted between his ribs.
The average slave ship accepted “losses” of 1/3rd of their cargo each trip as the cost of doing business.
This is what was considered normal back then.
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