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  • #605628

    I would like to darw attention to the following two posts on the coffeerom recently.

    Rav Shmuel Auerbach {Rav Shlomo Zalman’s son} recently got engaged to his niece in-law; i.e. His late wife & her late husband were blood uncle & niece.

    Mind you, I would consider their 17 year age gap more disturbing than their being related.(cousins marrying)

    I know a guy called yosef who learnt in Brisk – by haGaon R’ Dovid Soloveitchik, and every time he said his name was yosef r’ Dovid said voss? YAYsaf.

    They say that R’ Ovadia Yosef once met r’ dovid, and asked him if he says “yismach yisroel be’aisov!!!” (chOlam or chOYlam)

    We are discussing two gedoilei oilam, and i am AMAZED that YWN publushed such posts, questioning the practices of gedoilim, or making letzonus of therm. Both of these gedoilim are noiheg with the midda of perishus and have virtually no hano’oh from oilam hazeh, so i personally would be scared to start with them.

    I am moiche.

    #923167

    Chortkov
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    #923168

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    You’re terribly right. As much fun and entertainment (bitul zman) as I’d like, bizui Torah v’lomdeha, Talmedei Chachomim is, and should be, off limits. To every one.

    Thanks for pointing it out.

    #923169

    dhl144
    Member

    your right this is a big deal!! thanks for bringing this up!

    #923171

    i’m really pleased that someone is actually putting their foot down to soemthing around here.

    Keep going, there is a lot more improvement needed.

    #923172

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Seems like you’re into any and every thing shoe related.

    #923173

    It’s not Rav Shmuel Auerbach who’s getting married, it’s Rav Ezreil Auerbach.

    #923174

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    (so no one got my line?)

    #923175

    goldersgreener
    Participant

    We are discussing two gedoilei oilam, and i am AMAZED that YWN publushed such posts, questioning the practices of gedoilim, or making letzonus of therm. “Both of these gedoilim are noiheg with the midda of perishus and have virtually no hano’oh from oilam hazeh, so i personally would be scared to start with them.”

    I too would be scared to start with, not so much because of perishus, but because they are both massive ,massive talmidie chachomim.

    I too am moiche.

    #923176

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Meh, I thought this would be another leitzonus thread. Carry on.

    #923181

    Surely there are important halachot pertaining to how to talk about kings and elected leaders too? Why do we allow so much tirade against the american president?

    #923182

    I think that the halacha that someone who starts with a chacham has to act as if he is in in nidui and not wear his shoes for thirty days. Am i correct?

    #923183

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    .. and you should put down your shoe, I mean your foot about it.

    I mean could you imagine a shoe store assistant not assisting in storing shoes. Or a shoe store assistant not shooing a store assistant. Or a shoe store assistant not storying a shoe assistant.

    A mazel s/he doesn’t work in the sock department otherwise we’d have him/her socking and sacking socks stocks and stockings.

    #923184

    SSA, I don’t think elected leaders are included in the halachois of kings.

    Somehting about taking off your shoes does ring a bell, but i think it is only when you ask mechila, and probably only someone who has real semicha.

    Are you sefardic by any chance? I think sefardim are much more stringent about halachois of kevoid chachomim.

    #923185

    Shoe store assistant, you are correct, see the gemro near the begining of the third perek of moi’ed koton. I have yet to meet someone who actually does it. As they say, after you.

    #923186

    goldersgreener
    Participant

    Yerushalaymer, the gemoro in moi’ed koton is refering to one’s immediate teacher of toira, not to any talmid chochom. there are poiskim who suggest that godoil has a din of raboi muvhak, but that needs to be discussed on an indivual basis.

    #923187

    147
    Participant

    Talking about Leitzonus, how is it, that none of the Seforim consider the 10 tribes who condemned Yosef to death and sold him into slavery are considered Leitzonim & bad for this harrowing act?

    The mere fact that they were so ashamed by Yosef’s revelation speaks volumes of how they know how badly they erred.

    #923188

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    147:

    I may be on my way out now, (too many, much too many suspicions) but your comment caught me.

    Your question is a real valid one, in my humble opinion not phrased respectfully towards the Shivtei Kah.

    Let me try to answer. In their opinion, when removing him from their midst, they were doing a Mitzvah. What it was – that’s discussed by varoius seforim. But their act was not a wild act of anger, violence, or the like. It was an act proceeded with calculation and decisiveness, in their minds and conscience it was the proper thing to do. So much so, that after they had him in a holding cell (pit) they made a seudah, similar to a seudas mitzvah. They ate with out any guilty conscience, because that was the right and proper action to take. Such was their assumption all those years.

    Only when faced before Yosef, and having the full truth shown to them ever so clearly, did they realize the enormity of their error. That is why ?? ?????, an expression more to mean “shaken”. When the truth flew at their face, contrast to their thinking og twenty two years, they were shaken.

    So yes, a mistake had been done. “Leitzonim & bad”? No. No evil intent.

    #923190

    lesschumras
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    Zeeskite, if they were so certain they were right, why did they lie to Yaacov and cause him years of anguish?

    #923191

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Lc,

    The truth would have undoubtedly caused him more anguish.

    #923192

    They say that R’ Ovadia Yosef once met r’ dovid, and asked him if he says “yismach yisroel be’aisov!!!” (chOlam or chOYlam)

    We are discussing two gedoilei oilam…

    It would be a good idea if no one posted or repeated anything remotely controversial said by one of our gedoilim, Rebbeim or choshuver rabbonim UNLESS he or she has a CLEAR RECORDING to back it up (particularly in the case of Rav Ovadia Yosef shlit”a who is constantly tormented by frei journalists that twist his words and take them out of context – we don’t need to contribute to this bizayoin talmidei chachomim.)

    #923193

    lesschumras
    Participant

    But if they had no guilty conscious, wouldn’t Yaacov have accepted it? Remember, they declared it assured for anyone to talk about it, which is why Yitzchok tell Yaacov and Yoseph never contacted Yaacov. Strange behavior, including being over Linux AV by lying, for brothers convinced they were 100% correct.

    #923195

    Wisey
    Participant

    Ybrooklynteacher: Check out the expensive advertisement thread, we need some more normal headed people to be moche.

    #923196

    blueprints
    Participant

    1) I know a guy called yosef who learnt in Brisk – by haGaon R’ Dovid Soloveitchik, and every time he said his name was yosef r’ Dovid said voss? YAYsaf.

    2) They say that R’ Ovadia Yosef once met r’ dovid, and asked him if he says “yismach yisroel be’aisov!!!” (chOlam or chOYlam)

    wot the smurf is wrong with these 2 posts

    1) calls reb dovid HAGAON (a title with which few refer to him)

    2) it’s typical of gedolim to say such things to one another like the rogerchover and the ohr someach or the kotzker

    #923197

    147
    Participant

    One of the speakers at the Agudah convention this evening was mentioning several of the bad “isms” such as communism and Bundism amongst others. But then he went onto say:- I shall now mention the worst “ism” so I was expecting something like nazism to have this infamous distinction, but I was shocked to the core by his Leitzonos:- He said “Zionism” was the worst ism.

    Clearly this is Letzonus breading Sinas Chinom.

    #923198

    WIY
    Member

    Blueprints

    He is a gaon and one of the greats of the generation. I heard from one of my Rabbeim that he is a Yid that knows Kol Hatorah kulah + Kabbalah cold. He was also asked to be Ravad of the Eidah but declined for personal reasons. He deserved the title gaon and you for your comment deserve the title tipish.

    #923200

    Toi
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    he yelled at me,” Arois fuhn succah!” and “Vus shtaist du dorten, gei aheim!” it was quite the moment.

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