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May 23, 2017 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1283369
The main difference is two feet versus four feet.May 23, 2017 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1283368
Most do not use cellphones either.May 23, 2017 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1283367
US number to US number only.May 23, 2017 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1283366
Google Voice only gives US numbers. Winnie is in Israel.
If a US number is okay, you indeed can get the SMS texts to your Gmail.May 23, 2017 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1283377
If you don’t want people “nitpicking”, use the right word, please
EditedMay 23, 2017 11:49 am at 11:49 am #1283379
To signup for GV you need to use an existing US number to verify and signup from within the US or use a US IP address.
GV can dial international numbers for calling but cannot forward calls or texts to non -US numbers.May 23, 2017 11:54 am at 11:54 am #1283383
I guess you’ve never heard of birds?May 23, 2017 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1283405🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
RY – I don’t get it. Is this supposed to be funny? Why add insult to injury? And I’m a bit confused about the sudden change in your online persona.May 23, 2017 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm #1283404
Oh well, I guess it is not the solution for me then. unless I get someone in the US to sign up for me?May 23, 2017 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm #1283401
does a DSL line with an american number count?May 23, 2017 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #1283416
No. I’m not joking.May 23, 2017 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #1283414
Funny description, considering how much of the latest cutting edge technology comes from said country’s silicon wadiMay 23, 2017 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #1283413
Hmm…I’ve been accused of lying and now called a rasha. My OP was pretty clear about what I was talking about. Thanks Syag for your support and for understanding where I am coming from.
Moderators, so that people will stop the horse-and-buggy routine, can you change the title to something that will make everyone happy- like instead of technology, use “21st century portable digital technology with wifi capbaility” Does that make everyone happy? (Does it fit the character limit?)May 23, 2017 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #1283425
That should likely work. But you need to signup in the US or using a US IP address.May 23, 2017 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #1283445Avram in MDParticipant
Anyway, at work, to access our network when off premises, we have to insert a passcode that is generated by this little token. Today I was informed that they are phasing out these tokens, and instead everyone will be able to get these passcodes via an application on their smartphones.
Can you ask your employer’s IT department if there is a desktop/browser version of the app that can be used on a laptop, or if the passcode can be sent to an email address rather than phone number?May 23, 2017 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #1283442
Can the SMS you need to receive be sent to a non-Israel phone number?May 23, 2017 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1283458SteveWallzParticipant
uummm iphone ?May 23, 2017 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #1283490flatbushaskanParticipant
i need to apologize about what i wrote, from the original post i wasn’t able to understand that you were from israel (and how things work there, the whole society is different than america). I assumed that you were someone who was just trying to cause hock, while not writing the truth about his situation, Im sick and tired of people that do that.May 23, 2017 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #1283517
When i hear the word technology, It means ANY technology to me. A GPS in the car means as much technology as a smartphone or a laptop or some Holographic image
Smartphone means smartphone (Or sometimes things like cell phone, iPhone , Android or similar words).May 23, 2017 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1283512oyyoyyoyParticipant
caves are starting to sound more tempting actually…May 23, 2017 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1283494mw13Participant
RY,Avi – I don’t get why you are throwing around those comments? Her feelings are very personal and deep, if you don’t think they are founded, why make jokes about them? Posters throwing in comments about horse and buggy and parchment is just disrespectful to her question and feelings on this. Nobody doesn’t know what type of technology she is referring to and nobody thinks she is talking about ink and parchment.
Kindly stop writing silly comments about things that are clearly not the subject of this discussion.
We cannot hide our heads in the sand about the very real spiritual dangers posed by unfiltered internet access.
Now, how to realistically combat one’s exposure to spiritually harmful material will differ greatly depending on one’s exact circumstances. I’d say this is as good of a time as any to follow the Mishnah in Pirkei Avos: Asay licha Rav.May 23, 2017 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #1283531oyyoyyoyParticipant
ZDAD awrite then but the context is kinda helpful. Like usually any time you’l hear a frum person talking about technology and their spirituality, it wil be helpful for you to realize they arent talking about gps. There, just made your life so much more lesss complicted.May 23, 2017 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1283603
Actually it didnt change anything
When using terms, you need to speak using proper terms everyone understands.
Technology to most just means some computer equipment and a Car has a computer in it.
This passcode OP is taking about is sent STRICTLY via Smart phone. Somehow it links your account and your cell phone #. I have it for my Yahoo e-mail account and ebay accounts. if I try to log into yahoo or eBay on a strange computer it alerts my smart phone.May 23, 2017 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1283613
Stop using the wrong word and I won’t hunt you down and destroy you.May 23, 2017 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #1283807
That was a little harsh there, even if you meant it in jestMay 23, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1283897
Moderators: I just posted two posts, and they seem to have disappeared as soon as I posted them. Was that an accident or on purpose?May 23, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1283895
WTP – just to give you a general idea of the type of thing I was thinking of (in case c”v you can’t find anyone wiser): I was thinking along the lines of setting some kind of limit regarding how much or when or where you use the phone and/or saying a kapitel of Tehillim before (or before and after) each time you use it.May 23, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1283896
RY – I agree with SYAG that this doesn’t sound like you. Is everything ok?May 23, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1283892
WTP – regarding asking a Rav, I would think that if you ask the question the right way – meaning, explain all your feelings and issues – and you ask the right Rav, he could advise you properly. Of course, finding the right Rav for these kinds of questions is not so simple since it takes a lot more than knowledge of halacha.
But if you can find the right person to ask, it would seem to me that it’s kidai to ask. For one thing, he may surprise you with his answer. But there was also another reason I suggested asking a Rav. If you find someone who is wise enough, he may have more of an answer than a simple “yes” or “no”. And it seems to me that may be what you need.
I can’t tell you exactly what that means, since I am not wise enough (and know nothing about smartphones), but that is why I feel you need a wise Rav. He may be able to either come up with a way that you don’t need it or come up with a way that even if you have to use it, you can somehow lessen the possible damage (and I don’t just mean filters – you don’t need a Rav to tell you about filters). And I just think it may help to talk to someone who has Daas Torah and wisdom. I certainly think it will be more helpful than a lot of the responses you are getting here.
Sorry that I can’t offer any other real advice. This is definitely not my area (Boruch Hashem!). I and most people I know do not work in fields that require much or any “technology”.May 23, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1283879
SYAG, DY, and MW13 +1!May 23, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1283875
What makes you think it was meant in jest?May 23, 2017 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #1283911
WTP – post 895 is a continuation of a post that wasn’t posted yet.May 23, 2017 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1283915
If its a COMPANY phone, you might not be allowed to install any software including a filter (Many company devices have a no-install policy) . The filter might also cause havoc with the passcode even if the filter is allowedMay 23, 2017 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #1283919
Imagine if someone said “I think the Jews should be in jail”.
And then when someone gets upset, they say they mean Madoff specifically, and it was obvious.May 23, 2017 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1283942☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Imagine if someone said “I think the Jews should be in jail”.
And then when someone gets upset, they say they mean Madoff specifically, and it was obvious.
Completely inapt analogy. You should quit while you’re behind.May 23, 2017 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1283948
What analogy? I told you to imagine something. Do you have an imagination?
Wait, did you just tell me to commit suicide?May 23, 2017 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #1283946
I agree with DY.
btw, she uses the word smartphone in her first sentence.May 23, 2017 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #1283960
So? Calling something “the battle against technology” is just wrong.May 23, 2017 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1283995
The last I checked the chiyuv of “הוכח תוכיח” only applies to Issurim. Otherwise, it’s אונאת דבריםMay 23, 2017 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1284003MenoParticipant
Have we come to a consensus about potato peelers yet?May 23, 2017 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #1284030
“Have we come to a consensus about potato peelers yet?”
It’s a machlokes (well at least on Shabbos).May 23, 2017 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #1284017
Potato peelers are bad.May 23, 2017 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #1284049
Poor Ikea will have to stock up on flint chips, but alas even those are technology.
Is there not a Google Voice equivalent in Israel? Like a Walla Voice or something?May 24, 2017 12:40 am at 12:40 am #1284121
There are no free Google Voice equivalents anywhere, afaik. There are paid services that have that functionality, though.May 24, 2017 1:24 am at 1:24 am #1284125chabadgalParticipant
the amish arent exact;y tech free. theyre allowed to have whatever they want in their bussinesses, and at home no wires. so a smartphone is fine, as its wireless.May 24, 2017 7:03 am at 7:03 am #1284133
This thread has gotten very confusing since, at least by me, the sub-responses are gone, instead posts are in chronological order, and it is impossible to know to which post newer responses are responding to!
I had a few comments to various posters, I will just put them all here.
to AvrhamMD and ZD: Work is not giving out phones, the passcode App is being installed on private smart phones. I don’t know if filters would interfere with such Apps, they probably have never encountered such a case. I informed IT that I do not have a smart phone, and asked if there was any other way to get the passcode without the token and was told no.
flatbush, apology accepted. I figured you did not understand where I was coming from, so I added more details. In Israel, the frum world is still a bit behind the US is these issues, so that there are many who function quite well without a smart phone or even any internet access, as Lilmod was saying. But it is harder to do that, especially for those who are not exclusively in kollel/chinuch, hence my OP.
Lilmod, your points are good ones, and no, it is not easy to think of whom to ask for such an eitza- because, as you said, it is more than just a halachic answer is it muttar/assur. i will have to do some thinking, luckily my current token will work until the end of Dec.May 24, 2017 7:04 am at 7:04 am #1284135
RebYidd, the word technology in the title is not wrong. It is just a generalization, one with an implied specific meaning in the chareidi world. Titles are meant to spark an interest and encourage people to actually read the content. If anyone had any doubt, the first sentence in the OP would clarify it.
besides that, I think there is something more. we have been programmed to accept the fact that advances and inventions are good. They make things more efficient, give us more capabilities, allow us to live longer, get around quicker and farther, give us better means of communicating and interpreting the past and present, etc. So yes, we were happy with pen and paper, and the cotton gin and the railroad and the printing press and GPS and even the potato peeler. The objections, if there were any, fell away as the new thing (notice I am avoiding the “T” word) became popular. An underlying question to my OP, is, do we continue accepting the new as inevitably better forever without exception? Forget about Luddites and Amish who resist new inventions. Now we are facing the exact opposite- a type of worship of the new and innovative, by definition the next “generation” of any item has to be better. And things are advancing at such a quick pace nowadays, the new becomes obsolete before we even learn how to use it, that we cannot possibly do an analysis of whether the advance is actually good or not before it takes over. And can any one individual do anything about this potentially dangerous trend? from the majority of the responses, the answer seems to be no, even if your are Amish!
By the way, I read an article somewhere how the makers of these smartphones and/or their apps don’t use them because they better than anyone else know how destructive they can be.May 24, 2017 7:21 am at 7:21 am #1284142
What about Skype?
It looks like it costs money, Skype Credit, but I think you can use your Israeli number.May 24, 2017 7:57 am at 7:57 am #1284150
WTP, how about asking your IT people about Skype?
Maybe there is a way to get an SMS on Skype instead?
At least for texting a cell phone from your end, there is a SMS charge of 9.7 cents for an Israeli number, with a 4.6 cent connection fee. I think that is for sending an SMS to an Israeli phone, but maybe there is a way for texts to come in bypassing your phone and go to Skype?May 24, 2017 7:57 am at 7:57 am #1284151HaLeiViParticipant
Are you implying that your comments were solely based on the title, and you didn’t read a thing?
I know. It’s called knee-jerk reactions. It’s when you announce sentiments we knew you had. When the words are not products of actual thought, but rather reflexive and predictable. But keep in mind that speech which isn’t conveying a new idea is, to the observer, nothing more than a bark. Guess if it’s annoying.
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