December 19, 2010 5:15 am at 5:15 am #593584
There will be a lunar eclipse on sunday until monday, what are your takes on it (I’ve heard it’s considered a siman ra)December 19, 2010 6:30 am at 6:30 am #719662
ouchDecember 19, 2010 6:54 am at 6:54 am #719663
what are your takes on it (I’ve heard it’s considered a siman ra)
My take on it is that it’s a sign that the earth is in between the sun and the moon.
The WolfDecember 19, 2010 7:10 am at 7:10 am #719664popa_bar_abbaParticipant
It will be Tuesday morning from 1:30 Eastern time until 5:30 Eastern time.December 19, 2010 8:42 am at 8:42 am #719665bezalelParticipant
No. Eclipses are normal events that can be predicted thousands of years before they occur.December 19, 2010 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #719666
Wolf: My take on it is that it’s a sign that the earth is in between the sun and the moon.
Betzalel: No. Eclipses are normal events that can be predicted thousands of years before they occur
and rainbows are normal events that happens when rain fall while the sun is out, yet it’s a siman that Hashem is angry at us and we need to do teshuva, and betzalel just because it can be predicted doesn’t mean Hashem placed it at that certain time for a certain reasonDecember 19, 2010 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #719667
I don’t understand. Are you saying that I’m wrong? Are you saying that a lunar eclipse ISN’T a sign that the earth is between the sun and the moon?
Because that’s all I said. I made no theological statement on the matter at all.
The WolfDecember 19, 2010 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #719669oomisParticipant
Hashem told us in Parshas Noach that a rainbow is a sign for our remembering the bris He made not to destroy us (even when we deserve it). There is no such reference to a lunar eclipse in Tanach, is there?December 19, 2010 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #719670
No wolf, I’m not saying you’re wrong Chas V’shalom, what I’m saying is that Hashem can put a natural phenomenon into teva and make it something we should internalize too.
L’Havdil when Yosef sent the wagons (Agalos) it was a hint that they learned Eglah Arufah, yet they had to bring their stuff down to mitzrayim and why not use wagons?
Popa I just saw that now and realize the same thing, and BTW it’s not superstitions.December 19, 2010 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #719671
We had a lunar eclipse on Purim a few years ago. There will be lunar eclipses on Pesach and Sukot in a few years.December 19, 2010 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #719672
There was also a solar eclipse on Rosh Hashanah a few years ago and there will be another in a few years.December 19, 2010 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #719673ulisisMember
Siman ra? How can that be? There’s no homework when there’s an eclipse!December 19, 2010 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #719674ZachKessinMember
If you are in the USA or Canada and the sky is clear that night make an effort to see this. A lunar eclipse is very much worth seeing. You don’t need anything special but a pair of binoculars would be nice. If you can get a telescope use the lowest power eyepiece.
To bad it won’t be visible from IsraelDecember 19, 2010 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #719675
sorry eclipse, I didn’t get the pun right away i just saw ouch and didn’t see who wrote it, VERY FUNNYDecember 19, 2010 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #719676Midwest2Participant
Thanks Popa, now I don’t have to look it up.
Lunar eclipses are fun and impressive, although not as much fun as a solar eclipse. I saw one of those once and it was really something, but tricky to watch since we needed eye protection.
As for lunar eclipses, we had an impromptu block party the last time we had one here, and the new people on the block got to meet all the longer-term ones. But that one wasn’t at one o’clock in the morning 🙁
As for it being a siman ra, never heard of that one. What/who is your source? I can’t see Eclipse as being a siman ra for anything 🙂December 19, 2010 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #719677ronrsrMember
It’s probably a siman that it’s time to go outside and enjoy the show.
any excuse to look up at the sky is a good one. It’s the best show on earth. We vacation on Cape Cod in August, where it’s very dark and millions of stars are visible on a clear night.
The Perseid meteor shower occurs in the middle of our stay. This year, it coincided with a new moon so we got a spectacular light show on most night. On the peak night, I woke at 4am and witnessed a light show nonpareil with my mouth agape, until the show was obscured by the first hints of dawn at 4:30.
I can remember a big solar eclipse in North America circa 1972. In New Jersey, we didn’t quite have totality, but it was close. We looked at the sun through three layers of exposed and developed photographic film and it was a neighborhood event. (I had the darkroom, so I could make the film visors, so we watched it from outside my mother’s garage.
Nothing like it in the world!December 19, 2010 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #719678littleeemaParticipant
a predictable siman ra? what happened to ur bechira?December 19, 2010 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #719679RuffRuffMember
The Gemara says that eclipses happen because of specific Aveiros. The Maharal explains that the world, being created as a haven for such abominations, was created as a morally incomplete entity. Therefore, Hashem made its light accordingly, with flaws. It might have some astrological bearing, but it’s not born of an impact of Aveiros commited.
The rainbow is based on variables, which are manipulated by Hashem to reflect the current time. The eclipses, though, are preset and can be predicted in advance. If it were based on the current state of affairs, that would be a big breach of Bechira.December 19, 2010 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #719680
a predictable siman ra? what happened to ur bechira?
bechira works on a prat unless he does teshuva (each person has his own seperate bechira) bechira only works on a klal if the whole klal does tshuva (like by purim) if everyone did teshuva I wouldn’t be moshiach would come and we wouldn’t be affectedDecember 19, 2010 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #719681
No wolf, I’m not saying you’re wrong Chas V’shalom
Why Chas V’Shalom? Is it such a tragedy if I am wrong?
The WolfDecember 20, 2010 1:36 am at 1:36 am #719682RuffRuffMember
No Wolf, but it would be a tragedy for him to wrongly judge someone.December 20, 2010 3:02 am at 3:02 am #719683
thank you RuffRuff,
I couldn’t say it better myselfDecember 20, 2010 3:09 am at 3:09 am #719684
No Wolf, but it would be a tragedy for him to wrongly judge someone.
Firstly, I don’t believe that stating that someone is factually wrong about something is “wrongly judging” them. Judging usually involves a moral or values judgment. If I state that Herbert Hoover was the first president of the US and someone points out that I’m wrong, they aren’t making any moral or value judgments — they’re simply stating that I am incorrect in my factual statement.
Secondly, if I really am wrong, then there’s really no tragedy, is there?
The WolfDecember 20, 2010 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #719685
Wolf, I’m not saying your wrong, your 100% right, the chas v’shalom is that saying your wrong when your notDecember 20, 2010 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #719686
the chas v’shalom is that saying your wrong when your not
If that were to be the case, then it would be a factual error on your part. Is a simple factual error (whether it be mine or yours) such a tragedy that it requires a “chas v’shalom?”
I don’t believe so.
The WolfDecember 21, 2010 12:27 am at 12:27 am #719687Trying my bestMember
Are you ready for your big night tonight?December 21, 2010 2:11 am at 2:11 am #719688ronrsrMember
darn, it’s cloudy and snowing in Boston. Not likely we’ll see the eclipse here.December 21, 2010 4:18 am at 4:18 am #719689
ron, nasa will show it onlineDecember 21, 2010 5:52 am at 5:52 am #719690
Every lunar eclipse during a 5000 year period:
There are two or three most years, always occurring on the full moon hence around the 14th/15th of a Hebrew month. There may have been a lunar eclipse on Pesach the year bayit sheni was destroyed.December 21, 2010 7:02 am at 7:02 am #719691cshapiroMember
just saw it starting now, its really amazing, ma rabu masecha hashem!!!December 21, 2010 11:15 am at 11:15 am #719692
I slept thru it!December 21, 2010 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #719693
I saw it. It was beautiful. The sky was unusually clear. I’m tired now but I have no regrets.
HaShem created an amazing universe.December 21, 2010 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #719694
always occurring on the full moon
By the very definition of what it is, it *must* occur on the full moon, just like a solar eclipse *must* occur on the new moon (although not necessarily on Rosh Chodesh because of possible dechiyos).
The WolfDecember 21, 2010 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #719695oomisParticipant
I was sleeping and my hubby, who was awake didn’t want to wake me up. When I complained to him that the next one exactly like this one won’t be until 12/21/94, he said he will try to remember to wake me THEN. His cast comes off in 6 weeks.December 21, 2010 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #719696dvorakMember
In general: When there is a lunar eclipse, it will always be on the 14th, 15th, or 16th of the Hebrew month. That is why it is not uncommon for a lunar eclipse to happen on Purim/Pesach/Sukkos.
As for the siman ra: I too have heard that. It would explain why we Jews have had it rough over the centuries- lunar eclipses are pretty common (and correlate with our calendar), and are quite frequently visible somewhere in the world given the right time of month.December 21, 2010 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #719697
lunar eclipses are pretty common
Actually, they both occur with roughly the same frequency. Every year has at least two of each.
The difference is that a lunar eclipse is visible everywhere on Earth where the moon is visible, whereas a solar eclipse is visible over a smaller area (and totality over a much smaller area).
The WolfDecember 21, 2010 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #719698YW Moderator-80Member
checking up on wolf from the nasa eclipse page:
2 lunarDecember 21, 2010 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #719699bptParticipant
I set the alarm for 2:30. The whole family woke up for it, stayed up for about 30 minutes and then went back to bed.
Small sacrafice to see niflaos haboreh. And as an added bounus, because the moon’s glow was somewhat dimmed (yet the surrounding sky was well lit) we were able to see many stars that are normally not visible in NYC.
Def worth losing sleep overDecember 22, 2010 2:57 am at 2:57 am #719700deiyezoogerMember
Was beutifull,December 22, 2010 2:59 am at 2:59 am #719701
oomis,that was a joke,right?:)
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