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    crazykanoiy
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    Any astute observer saw this coming. The people who turned on Ukraine would turn on Israel as well. Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, Steve Banon and all are now some of the loudest anti-Israel voices. The GOP that has sacrificed its belief in free trade, limited government, fealty to the Constitution. robust support of NATO is now sacrificing its support for Israel under the sway of the MAGA isolationists. The voices of Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham and Mike Pence are being shouted down. We live in scary times the progressive left and the isolationist right leave Israel in a position that would have seemed nightmarish just a few years ago. America no longer had a truly Conservative party only progressive and populist ones. We are all worse off for it. It is sad that so many of us cheered on the likes of Banon, Tucker, Kirk, Owens, and Jones and their America First ideology drawn straight from Charles Lindbergh and his Nazi appeasers.

    #2414630
    akuperma
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    MAGA has always been isolationist, which means unwilling to go to war for any. There is still a large chunk of Republicans who are pre-MAGA (e.g. neocons, Reaganites, globalists in the Eisenhower mold), It should also be noted that the “Christian Right” supported Trump, but is also pro-immigration (in part since many if not most of the immigrant wannabees are religious Christians) and they also tend to support Israel. Also remember that a large amount of the Democrats are now pro-Hamas, and they appear to be on the verge of taking over the party, but for culture war reasons are unable to ally with the MAGA populists. Given the impossibility of a MAGA-WOKE alliance, the DINOs (e.g. Chuck Schumer) and RINOs (e.g. Ted Cruz, Mike Pence, etc.) could either take over one or the other party, or form a third party alliance.

    Trump’s base is unlikely to give up on MAGA over a muscular foreign policy, and by making an “example” out of Iran, Trump will seriously improve his, and America’s, position vis a vis Iran’s allies (Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc.). The Zionists have never trusted a goyish state, and probably know how to act in their own interests (e.g. make their large bombs that can destroy Iran even if they would prefer the Americans do their work for them). Right now we appear a lot better off than in the 1930s and early 1940s, so everyone should relax and stop checking YWN every five minutes to see if the world is still there.

    #2414717
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “Any astute observer saw this coming. The people who turned on Ukraine would turn on Israel as well. Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, Steve Banon and all are now some of the loudest anti-Israel voices.“

    Louder voices come from Bernie sanders (even made a resolution to not go into war) Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, AOC, and I wouldn’t be surprised at the countless democrat “pundits” just because it’s under trump instead of Biden

    Give it up, your party is the anti Israel party (not including pro illegal murder party, the party of abortion, anti police, pro reckless government spending

    No wonder it’s hemorrhaging voters

    #2414751
    LerntminTayrah
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    Yup. Horseshoe theory. Halacha Eisav sonei leYaakov and no Eisav is immune from its siren song. Har Sinai is called Sinai because it created sinah, and we have no choice but to rely on Hashem instead of politicians. It is time to let go of tumas MAGA.

    #2414810
    ezra101
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    The only MAGA support that matters any iota is DJT.
    Charlie kirk, tucker carlson, candace owens, wtver. they have no say in anything that happens. and donald trump is unwaveringly in Israels camp right now. it looks more and more likely he is going to bomb fordow

    #2414910
    smerel
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    >>>Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, Steve Banon and all are now some of the loudest anti-Israel voices.

    Opposing the US getting involved in a war does not equal being the loudest anti-Israel voices. You would be hard pressed to find a person of influence in the US today who is more pro Israel than Charlie Kirk. Including strong support for Israel attacking Iran. There is nothing inherently anti-Israel about his view that the war does not involve the US so it should not get involved . Some of the other names are anti semites in any case. Their opposition to the US involvement in the war is not necessarily a symptom of that. The long term Israeli view has also been not to involve US foot soldiers in their wars and not to allow US peacekeepers on its borders. Reason being that all it would take is a few American solders killed for the entire US to turn anti Israel

    #2414912
    crazykanoiy
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    It sure looks like Carlson, Rogan and the MAGA folk hold a lot of sway. It does NOT look like Trump will bomb anything. Now he says he needs two weeks while Witkoff deals with the Mullahs. Let that sink in two weeks. Trump is all talk no action. In two weeks he will delay again. Ul

    #2414967
    keith
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    Ummmm this person or that person is not what is important. And Candace Owens is like a Nation of Islam person now. What’s important is not individuals but polls showing support. Recent polls show the vast vast majority of both republicans and maga support Israel attacking Iran. I think over 80 percent. And clear majorities – I think almost 60 percent support America bombing I Iran. In contrast it’s a small minority of the left including democrats that support Israel.

    You really need to pay attention. Support for Israel in America is broad and includes the center and the right but the left is the party of AOC and ilhan Omar. They hate Israel and hate traditional America.

    #2414969
    keith
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    I didn’t see who posted it. Of course it’s crazy kanoy. I am by no means certain he is Jewish and doubt he is an obersvant Jew. He clearly is a leftist from all of his previous posts and clearly hates conservatives and conservative values which is why I doubt he is an observant Jew.

    #2415040
    Baruch D
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    Now that is a new one. Questioning someone’s Judaism and calling them a leftist because they don’t support Trump. I know I’m Jewish and I’m not a leftist. Trump has forever changed the Republican party. The right, like the left, now has a developing strong current of anti-semites. This is indeed Trump’s doing as he takes support from anyone who supports him and crazy people often like him a lot. At the end of the day, it appears he’s listening to the right people right now. We know his decisions are not the basis of his own free will from Chazal. Issues of this level of importance on a macro level by a world leader are determined by HKBH. Whatever goes right or wrong at this point it’s not his doing. I would point out that one of the scariest people who likes these Fringe isolationist and anti-semites is none other than Vance. As someone who doesn’t like trump, I am praying for his health.

    #2415052
    crazykanoiy
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    Keith – Crazyjanoiy proudly servs Hashern not the false Gods of MAGAism and Trunpism. It is truly amazing to see how so many react with name calling and vitriol when there false ideology is exposed with facts

    #2415064
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    Isolationism is one thing. Obviously, as Israel supporters, it’s not our preference, but if DJT/MAGA prefer isolationism, it’s a legitimate MO.
    The bigger problem is his “negotiations” and “peace-making” which besides for bringing out the buffoon’s best, also puts meek Israel (and everywhere else) in a sticky situation. He could just as easily keep the hatch shut or tell Israel “Go for it!” without assisting.

    #2415096
    none2.0
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    That’s ok relax. This is just exposing people. you take tucker Carlson seriously? I don’t. Relax

    #2415191
    mdd1
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    Coffee addict, he is not saying the Democrats are good. Are you capable of admitting that Trump is wrong about anything?

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