Matzav article about Golus and Eretz Yisrael

@yankel-berel
I hope this is just another source that you have not yet learned inside. In his lengthy teshuvah on the mitzvah of Yishuv Eretz Yisrael, the Avnei Nezer – both before, during, and after the section in question – spends considerable effort elaborating on the binding nature of the shevios.

In this place you mention, siman 50, he explains that the shevios are rooted in the very essence of the Jewish soul, such that one who is truly walking in the “derech ha-tovah” would never even entertain the notion of violating them. He therefore suggests that this is precisely why they are not recorded explicitly in sifrei haluchah: their binding nature is so self-evident to any upright Jew that it requires no codification.

In the very next words, siman 51, he discusses the severe consequences for transgressing any of the shevios (the worst punishment in the Torah, kireis, even worse than the literal words of the Gemureh which “only” mention mass death), and then in the very next section, siman 52, he returns to address an earlier question – now in light of the above – regarding why many of the gedolei olam throughout the generations did not go to Eretz Yisrael. His answer? Because of the shevios!

Would you like me to bring specific quotes, or are you instead ready to actually learn the teshuvah yourself this time?

@somejew

the torah I want to learn is psak lemaaseh

psak lemaaseh in all areas of the torah , is based on

1] the theoretical torah itself
2] reality
3] application of the theoretical torah to the practical reality = psak lemaaseh

the question I ask, falls under category 2
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is this type of behavior reported, liable to be repeated in the middle east in 2025 and beyond ?

yes or no ?

is there a possibility that the same could chvsh happen some 150 km to the south east , or not ?
[meaning in EY itself]

all I am asking for is :
for honesty when looking at reality ……
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I learnt avnei nezer MULTIPLE TIMES .

You both are clearly missing the point .

I always agreed that going against the oaths is not a good thing
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BUT THAT THE GOING AGAINST THE OATHS IS N O T THE R. E. A. S. O. N. FOR THE PUNISHMENT .

THE D. I. S. C. O. N. N. E. C. T. I. O. N. IS THE REASON FOR THE PUNISHMENT.
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you rail and rail against the symptom , totally ignoring the malady itself.

so, although it is agreed that it probably is ‘better’ not to rebel and not to be oleh bechomah

nevertheless it is NOT ASSUR AL PI HAHALACHA , and

when someone feels the urge to do so ,

instead of concentrating on repressing this urge, he should concentrate on rebuilding his connection , and the urge will automatically disappear.

that is the true summary of divrei avnei nezer

for anyone really looking for the truth.

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learn it again .

try my summary

and try yours

which one is what avnei nezer really writes ?
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@yankel-berel

I’m being honest. you’re specifically asking for psak l’maiseh and not hashkufeh. So, please ask a specific well defined question.

“you know” is not enough of a retort when you can’t even formulate your own question intelligently.

@somejew

I left out one main point in the final question-

not only why , but ,

-based on which halachik source ?
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When I said they do teshuva , obviously , I did not mean teshuva gemura and there is no avera at all,

If that happened , then mashiach would have come .

that goes without saying.

I meant, they do teshuva and are at the same level as all other haredim are now.

So :

the question is –
if all of the inhabitants of EY do tshuva and are nizhar in everything mamash , besides your interpretation of the oaths , is it permitted/obligated , to defend their safety and fight , in case they cannot run away / make peace / bring the UN / or any other possible etsah ?

yes or no ?

and why ?

based on which halachik source ?

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