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    Michaelfax
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    We all have seen the video and the ywn article of Rabbi Edgar Gluck meeting with the Pope in the Vatican.

    Is that permitted?

    Also, what’s up with singing “orah yomim” to the Pope – with guitars (in Sefira) and dancing in front of him?

    Anyone?

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    #1271722

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    We all have seen the video and the ywn article of Rabbi Edgar Gluck meeting with the Pope in the Vatican.

    I know at least one person who hasn’t.

    #1271720

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Ditto

    #1271719

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Intentional blank post. Please approve first.

    #1271736

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Oh well.

    #1271738

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    We all have seen the post by Michaelfax about the video and the ywn article of Rabbi Edgar Gluck meeting with the Pope in the Vatican.

    The video shows singing “orah yomim” to the Pope – with guitars (in Sefira) and dancing in front of him?

    Is posting that permitted?

    Anyone?

    #1271808

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Actually you know at least two (unless you meant me).

    #1271830

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    What a terrible choice of song.

    IF they had to sing (and I dont understnad why they would) they could’ve chosen a more appropriate song like vehi shemada, Zeidim halitzinu, Gam ki elech, OR Habeit

    #1271871

    Joseph
    Participant

    Some people are wowed by meeting the head galach of the religion that has been murdering us for 2000 years.

    #1271867

    Joseph
    Participant

    When DY posted he didn’t yet know you didn’t see it.

    #1271885

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Anyhow, he doesn’t actually know me. Does knowing someone in the CR count as knowing someone?

    #1271890

    yichusdik
    Participant

    I’m with Joseph, mostly, on this one. While we can clearly see that John Paul II took the changes of John XXIII very seriously about not prioritizing proselytizing Jews any more and of describing us as “Elder Brothers” . That doesn’t go very far at all in mitigating 1700 years of persecution and murder, of laying the “legal” framework the Nazis copied in their anti Jewish laws, and of normalizing Jew hatred for century after century in Europe. The Catholic Church has a lot more to do before its change of tune can be “appreciated”.

    I have read and heard that the present pope is a good, humble man. Maybe so. but unduly honoring him as pope, rather than as a good and humble man, honours the Catholic Church, which, as Joseph wrote, has been murdering us for millennia.

    #1271907

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Joseph
    +1

    Im ok with meeting to work on things that are of mutual interest. Or that he can benefit.
    WE appreciate that they no longer burn us , but we arent friends.

    #1272100

    nishtdayngesheft
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    I understand meeting the pope to discus graves in Europe and I ma sure that is what was asked of Da’as Torah. I don’t understand singing “shiros vsishbachos” for the pope, certainly not the song selected.
    I wonder if Da’as Torah was consulted about that.
    I also don’t understand asking the pope about how to deal with children as risk and other similar situations seems to be beyond what would be recommended by Da’as Torah.

    These are well meaning people, but sometimes one has to wonder when people become so wrapped up that they can not take an objective look at their own actions.

    #1272301

    DovidBT
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    “I have read and heard that the present pope is a good, humble man. Maybe so. but unduly honoring him as pope, rather than as a good and humble man, honours the Catholic Church, which, as Joseph wrote, has been murdering us for millennia.”

    Which is worse? Honoring the Pope as the leader of a non-Jewish religious movement, honoring a Jew who rejects Judaism as a religion, or honoring a non-Jewish atheist who rejects all religion?

    #1272358

    Lightbrite
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    I didn’t see the video but there is this super cute viral video going around with a wild fox playing with a dog’s toy that the dog left outside in his yard. The dog is just watching from the window as this orange fox is having the time of his life! So adorable!

    #1272376

    tobs
    Participant

    The people were persecuting us. the popes never hurt us because it’s not befitting for a high official to murder.

    #1272395

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Ummmm, very nice. Slightly off topic, no?

    #1272424

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Lol!!! Well the topic was about a viral video and the OP did claim that “We all have seen the video” (OP), and other posters mentioned at least someone who hasn’t seen the video… so yes, off topic 🙂

    But still I would rather watch the fox playing with a dog toy than the Pope, I think.

    BTW, how is popa bar abba?

    #1272514

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Is the pope really viral?

    #1272544

    por
    Participant

    In a published interview, R’ Amram Blau, ztl, remembers that Dr. DeHaan, Hy”d, arranged for a telegram to be sent (he doesn’t say to whom but from the context I presume to the British Colonial Official which was then the governing body over Eretz Yisroel) protesting Zionist persecution of religion. The telegram he says was signed by Rav Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld and, l’hebadel elef havdalas (his lashon), the Mufti and the Pope in Rome. If this is true, it suggests that Rav Zonnenfeld, ztl, felt it was acceptable to collaborate with the Pope for worthy purposes. If anyone has any ideas how to get more info about this alleged telegram, I’m very interested to hear.

    I’ve heard it said that Reb Aharon Kotler, ztl, said he would even kiss Hitler ym”s if by doing so he could save one Jewish life, not that I’m suggesting that this Pope is to be compared to Hitler.

    #1272558

    RBZS
    Participant

    The video has several complications (including publicizing it) and I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT THE HALACHAH IS.
    However, I would just like to bring to your attention the following (and there may be many differences):

    It is well known that Mr. Irving Bunim a”h worked hand in hand with Reb Aharon Kotler zt”l to save Jews during the Holocaust.

    I believe that I heard from the mouth of Bunim and/or it is quoted in the Bunim book written by his son that Reb Aharon said (perhaps more than once) that he would be willing to prostrate himself before the Pope ym”s if he knew it would save even one Jew.

    At the beginning of Min HaMeitzar, Rav Weissmandel z”l writes that he tried to convince his father-in-law Rav Unger zt”l to approach the local representative of the Church and plead with him for humanitarian reasons to order that the “expulsion” of Jews be stopped (at that point, that was what the Jews were being told was occurring and they believed it).

    His father-in-law never said it was forbidden, but he said that it was a useless attempt.

    Eventually, Rav Unger gave into his son-in-law’s pressure but told him that he was afraid that he would soon learn the foolishness of this approach.

    When they spoke to the Priest, he corrected them and said that this was not an “expulsion” but a “slaughter” and that their goal was to exterminate the Jewish People as soon as possible. They then fled from his house (after cursing him – I believe) and Rav Weismandel understood that his father-in-law had understood the situation much better than he had.

    #1272559

    Joseph
    Participant

    DeHaan didn’t invite a media spectacle and bring cameras to publicize his necessary interaction with the galach. Nor did he put on a shtreimal l’kovod the Vatican and bring a yiddishe band to joyously sing arichas yomim for the galach.

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