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Try to guess what this is (no googling allowed!)
Sounds like a reference to eating turkey while the menorah is lit.
Does Bing count? jk
oh barf!
For thanksgivingkuh????
Goq
I thought that’s what male turkeys are called.
Syag
Totally agree. What a perversion of something holy. Just mix it all together. Have a happy chrismihanuthankgivingpurimeasterpesachukah.
<bad French accent>Yuer Menurkey is burekking ze liewa</bad French accent>
ha ha jmh
notasheep – Well I thought it was very good anyway… Was meant to cheer you up…
not a kosher menorah but really clever
not a kosher turkey but really clever
did you guys all know that we celebrate Hannukah to commemorate the strength and bravery of the Maccabim???? that’s what they’ve been saying on the news. so if you agree, go talk to a rabbi. whos Orthodox
live right +1
Sometimes people need to lighten up,Its ok to laugh and make jokes once in a while
LAB
I did know that its a beferish Rambam, the very first 3 halachos on chanuka. Why did you have another more “correct” celebration in mind that isnt mentioned in the Gemara or Rishonim
To celebrate that you can mix two holidays and get something not a menorah or a turkey. Maybe they could have done the opposite.
ubiquitin Huh?
LAB- it’s obvious. I think you’re part bulldog.
I was a seal in a previous life.
Sorry it was meant for Liveright (Thogh you agreed so feel free to answer too)
s/he said “did you guys all know that we celebrate Hannukah to commemorate the strength and bravery of the Maccabim???? that’s what they’ve been saying on the news. so if you agree, go talk to a rabbi. whos Orthodox”
To which I replied:
I did know that; it is a beferish Rambam. See the very first 3 halachos on chanuka. Why, did you have another more “correct” celebration in mind that isnt mentioned in the Gemara or Rishonim?
I thought live right was being sarcastic.
Nah, only an eared seal, not a true seal.
How come we all called it Thanksgivukah and not Chanksgiving? Just a thought…
I was being sarcastic. and if you start quoting meforshim at me I will get a blank look in my eyes because I am not a yeshiva bochur.
and if you think the Rambam wants you to celebrate the might of man vs. the Majesty of Hashem then go speak to a Rabbi.
and for the record, it’s live right. not Liveright. as much as I love liver, I do not want it as a username
Live right, I did ask a rabbi. His name is Rabbi Moshe Ben Maiman. You dont need to be a yeshiva bachur to hear what he has to say. His works are available in English, even online.
I don’t think you asked rambam, but ok. as far as I know, we don’t celebrate the victory of the Maccabim on Chanukah, we celebrate “lehods u’lehallel leShimcha hagadol”: to show gratitude and praise the One who brought about the nissim of Chanukah.
do you disagree?
I absolutely did ask him, and this is what he said and I quote verbatim:
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Becasue of the above (ie the military victory and the nes pach shemen) we celebrate days of SIMCHA and halel.
Ubiquitin, your point is completely lost on me. It says nowhere in that Ramba”m (or any other) that we are celebrating the might of the Chashmonoim.
Thanking Hashem for the military victory is completely different than celebrating military strength.
DY Not quite, (though we may be arguing semantics)
Thanking Hashem for the military victory is inherently celebrating military strength.
Lets use the nes pach shemen as an example since it is less politically charged.
would you say
“Thanking Hashem for the oil lasting 8 days is completely different than celebrating the oil lasting 8 days.” (I’m using your words
Yes, I imagine that we’re arguing semantics, but to me, celebrating military strength, or, in the words of the post to which you originally responded, “the strength and bravery of the Maccabim”, reeks of “kochi v’otzem yodi”. “Celebrating the oil burning for eight days” does not.
DY, agreed!
So technically as Live right heard on the news that “we celebrate Hannukah to commemorate the strength and bravery of the Maccabim” Is in fact correct, as Ive pointed out to him/her. Although granted that it reeks of “kochi v’otzem yodi”
Why clearly dont celebrate military streangth as we didnt have such streaghth we say it in al hanasim few beat the weak
nem621
Aderaba! In Al hanisim all we mention is the military victory there is no mention of the nes pach shemen. (At best there is an indirect mention of “vehidliku neiros bechatzros kodshecha” but the thust is clearly on military)
If it refers to kochi v’otzdem yodi, then it’s clearly not correct.
Thank you DaasYochid. clearly Ubiquitin does not get that distinction.
My point is that many Jews around the world as well as most non Jews believe that the celebration of Chanukah is all about the strength of the Maccabim….. The maccabim are a symbol to the world of great strength (this may have something to do with the name of the sports team in Israel). truth is, it wasn’t them, It was and is still, G-d Almighty. so its no wonder that Chanukah is widely celebrated even amongst the secular- who wouldn’t want to celebrate a holiday that supposedly gives yourself a huge pat on the back and shows that we are powerful and invincible? leaving G-d out of the picture really makes us look better, doesn’t it?
So, Just pointing out that this viewpoint is WRONG.
that is all I wanted to say. You don’t need to tell me to read the Rambam to see that the Maccabim won the war. I know they did. What I also know that it wasn’t because they were bodybuilders with great offensive tactics and unmatchable military skills.
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