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  • #596987
    yentingyenta
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    I wanted to know what people thought about getting getting a nose job. Are we allowed to halachically and what do you think about it.

    #768399
    TheGoq
    Participant

    What would Karl Malden say?

    #768400

    A girl in my class got one. I don’t know if it’s okay halachically or not, but at that point, she was frum and she did it. (She later went OTD.) I would think that if you’re seriously considering it and are concerned about the halachic implications, you should ask your own shaila.

    #768401
    veteran
    Member

    R’ Moshe has a teshuva on cosmetic surgery, including nose jobs and weight loss surgery.

    #768402
    dunno
    Member

    veteran

    What does he say?

    #768403
    tomim tihye
    Member

    A beautiful girl in my class got one. We all requested that she save her old one for our nose job.

    #768404
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    cosmetic surgery, including nose jobs and weight loss surgery.

    I don’t know that I’d categorize weight loss surgery as “cosmetic.”

    (Yeah, I know… I’m a mental midget for disagreeing with R. Moshe, I’m an apikorus for even thinking that I might have a valid point…”)

    The Wolf

    #768405

    speaking of wasting electrons…

    the poster categorized the Tshuva as such, not necessarily R Moshe, tz’l.

    i would look at the Tshuva myself before disagreeing with R Moshe, tzl

    #768406
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    the poster categorized the Tshuva as such, not necessarily R Moshe, tz’l.

    i would look at the Tshuva myself before disagreeing with R Moshe, tzl

    Then I was disagreeing with the poster, not R. Moshe. And, I suppose, depending on who the poster is, that, too, could indicate that I’m a mental midget or an apikorus.

    The Wolf

    #768407

    yes that is what i was pointing out, that you are disagreeing with the poster, but thats not what you said

    #768408
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    but thats not what you said

    Fair enough. Point noted.

    The Wolf

    #768409
    yacr85
    Participant

    I think the correct understanding of the Halacha goes as follows.

    The only reason we are allowed to go to the Doctor is because the Torah allows it (V’rapoh Y’rapeh)

    Meaning, if you are feeling sick, you should not be going to the Doctor because Hashem has made you sick for a reason.

    However, he does allow us to go to a Dr (I will attempt to explain why in another post, as I have understood from my teachers)

    The Torah only allows us to go to the Dr for healing not for other reasons.

    Therefore, cosmetic surgery would be a medical procedure that serves no health benefit and therefore Ossur according to the poskim.

    Reb Moshe did not allow going to a Dr for cosmetic weight surgery (liposuction). This does nothing to help with health issues and is purely cosmetic.

    Getting a ‘band’ around the stomach (or similar) is clearly a health benefit and the weight loss will help a person, lowering the risks of heart disease etc.

    Does this Drashah make sense!

    Good Night!

    #768410
    adorable
    Participant

    do you really have that bad of a nose? who cares?

    #768411
    happiest
    Member

    If I understand correctly as part of the surgery for a deviated septum one can have a nose job done too. Has anyone ever done this? Has anyone ever done the deviated septum and had good results?

    #768412
    tomim tihye
    Member

    Is this for shidduchim? Like, now that I’m a size 2, I need to tackle the next obstacle?

    #768413
    BSD
    Member

    It used to be considered improper to pick ones nose but evidently that is no longer the case.

    #768414
    Ofcourse
    Member

    I went to a very frum High School in Brooklyn in the seventies. Loads of girls got nose jobs during their school years, and the Hanhala didnt blink. Nor did any of those girls go Off The Derech.

    ROTFL.

    #768415
    mybat
    Member
    #768416

    if you REALLY REALLY dont like your nose than get a nose job and feel better about yourself. all my fathers sisters got nose jobs and there all happy and healthy and frum till today BH. (and pretty)

    #768417
    mybat
    Member
    #768418
    cshapiro
    Member

    idk, but i know a few good plastic surgeons if u need recommendations 🙂

    #768419

    If you do go for it, don’t use Jennifer Grey’s surgeon.

    #768420
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    There are many people in need of jobs iin todays market. Perhaps they should look into nose jobs :<)

    #768421
    hanib
    Participant

    toes jobs are also a good line of work.

    #768422

    YW Moderator-42-

    Hmmm, now there’s a prime rhinoplasty candidate.

    Please review the computer-enhanced before-and-after photos below:

    Before-

    :<)

    After-

    Please feel free to call our offices at 1-800-MD-Schnoz (and leave off the last “z” for “zavings”).

    ? <– too much rhinoplasty on this fellow

    #768423
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I went to a very frum High School in Brooklyn in the seventies. Loads of girls got nose jobs during their school years, and the Hanhala didnt blink. Nor did any of those girls go Off The Derech.

    That just shows that getting a nose job only makes some girls go off the derech. ?

    Seriously, it is a real issue, and someone must certainly ask a shaila before doing it, and not fall into the trap of saying “it must be okay because other people do it”.

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    There are many people in need of jobs iin todays market. Perhaps they should look into nose jobs :<)

    It might be attractive, but it doesn’t pay well (unless you’re the surgeon.)

    #768424
    always here
    Participant

    lol @ your post, ICOT! 🙂

    #768425
    hanib
    Participant

    i 2nd always LOL.

    #768426
    veteran
    Member

    I don’t know that I’d categorize weight loss surgery as “cosmetic.”

    Wolf- Sorry I was unclear. The tshuva discusses cosmetic weight loss surgery, not health related weight loss surgery. I last saw the tshuva about 6 years ago so I could be mistaken, but I believe that R’ Moshe dismisses the shaila of health related weight loss surgery upfront by saying that whenever the health benefit of the surgery is expected to exceed the risk it is absolutely allowed.

    Cosmetic surgeries are more problematic, because the guf (body) is on loan to us and not owned by us. Perhaps over Shabbos I will find time to look it up and provide an exact phrasing.

    #768427
    dunno
    Member

    I know someone who had a nose job. Before she had it done she asked a Rov who told her not only is it allowed, it’s a must if it will help in shidduchim. Granted, she had a pretty bad nose before…

    #768428
    Health
    Participant

    On a side note, due to the lack of funds going to the docs themselves, a lot of good surgeons are leaving regular surg and going into plastics. What I must be crazy -medical costs have been increasing the last 30 years straight? Yea, but what the Clintons started with the HMO’s and changing the whole insurance business, decreased the money to docs and everyone else in the medical field. So where does all the profit go? To the insurance and HMO execs. And I’m sure gov. gets their kickbacks. Before any politician tells you -I’m changing things for your benefit -figure it out -if it’s true?! So if the next time ch’vs you need a trauma surg and it only turns out to be a resident with limited experience -don’t complain -you put these people (politicians) into office! You get what care you pay for! And if you think I don’t know what I’m talking about, how come so many hospitals closed in the last few years with the pop. increasing, not decreasing?

    #768429

    always here-

    binahyeseira-

    Thank you.

    For those who dodn’t appreciate my humor, it’s no skin off my nose <ducking>.

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