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I wanted to know what people thought about getting getting a nose job. Are we allowed to halachically and what do you think about it.
What would Karl Malden say?
A girl in my class got one. I don’t know if it’s okay halachically or not, but at that point, she was frum and she did it. (She later went OTD.) I would think that if you’re seriously considering it and are concerned about the halachic implications, you should ask your own shaila.
R’ Moshe has a teshuva on cosmetic surgery, including nose jobs and weight loss surgery.
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What does he say?
A beautiful girl in my class got one. We all requested that she save her old one for our nose job.
cosmetic surgery, including nose jobs and weight loss surgery.
I don’t know that I’d categorize weight loss surgery as “cosmetic.”
(Yeah, I know… I’m a mental midget for disagreeing with R. Moshe, I’m an apikorus for even thinking that I might have a valid point…”)
The Wolf
speaking of wasting electrons…
the poster categorized the Tshuva as such, not necessarily R Moshe, tz’l.
i would look at the Tshuva myself before disagreeing with R Moshe, tzl
the poster categorized the Tshuva as such, not necessarily R Moshe, tz’l.
i would look at the Tshuva myself before disagreeing with R Moshe, tzl
Then I was disagreeing with the poster, not R. Moshe. And, I suppose, depending on who the poster is, that, too, could indicate that I’m a mental midget or an apikorus.
The Wolf
yes that is what i was pointing out, that you are disagreeing with the poster, but thats not what you said
but thats not what you said
Fair enough. Point noted.
The Wolf
I think the correct understanding of the Halacha goes as follows.
The only reason we are allowed to go to the Doctor is because the Torah allows it (V’rapoh Y’rapeh)
Meaning, if you are feeling sick, you should not be going to the Doctor because Hashem has made you sick for a reason.
However, he does allow us to go to a Dr (I will attempt to explain why in another post, as I have understood from my teachers)
The Torah only allows us to go to the Dr for healing not for other reasons.
Therefore, cosmetic surgery would be a medical procedure that serves no health benefit and therefore Ossur according to the poskim.
Reb Moshe did not allow going to a Dr for cosmetic weight surgery (liposuction). This does nothing to help with health issues and is purely cosmetic.
Getting a ‘band’ around the stomach (or similar) is clearly a health benefit and the weight loss will help a person, lowering the risks of heart disease etc.
Does this Drashah make sense!
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do you really have that bad of a nose? who cares?
If I understand correctly as part of the surgery for a deviated septum one can have a nose job done too. Has anyone ever done this? Has anyone ever done the deviated septum and had good results?
Is this for shidduchim? Like, now that I’m a size 2, I need to tackle the next obstacle?
It used to be considered improper to pick ones nose but evidently that is no longer the case.
I went to a very frum High School in Brooklyn in the seventies. Loads of girls got nose jobs during their school years, and the Hanhala didnt blink. Nor did any of those girls go Off The Derech.
ROTFL.
if you REALLY REALLY dont like your nose than get a nose job and feel better about yourself. all my fathers sisters got nose jobs and there all happy and healthy and frum till today BH. (and pretty)
idk, but i know a few good plastic surgeons if u need recommendations 🙂
If you do go for it, don’t use Jennifer Grey’s surgeon.
There are many people in need of jobs iin todays market. Perhaps they should look into nose jobs :<)
toes jobs are also a good line of work.
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Hmmm, now there’s a prime rhinoplasty candidate.
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I went to a very frum High School in Brooklyn in the seventies. Loads of girls got nose jobs during their school years, and the Hanhala didnt blink. Nor did any of those girls go Off The Derech.
That just shows that getting a nose job only makes some girls go off the derech. ?
Seriously, it is a real issue, and someone must certainly ask a shaila before doing it, and not fall into the trap of saying “it must be okay because other people do it”.
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There are many people in need of jobs iin todays market. Perhaps they should look into nose jobs :<)
It might be attractive, but it doesn’t pay well (unless you’re the surgeon.)
lol @ your post, ICOT! 🙂
i 2nd always LOL.
I don’t know that I’d categorize weight loss surgery as “cosmetic.”
Wolf- Sorry I was unclear. The tshuva discusses cosmetic weight loss surgery, not health related weight loss surgery. I last saw the tshuva about 6 years ago so I could be mistaken, but I believe that R’ Moshe dismisses the shaila of health related weight loss surgery upfront by saying that whenever the health benefit of the surgery is expected to exceed the risk it is absolutely allowed.
Cosmetic surgeries are more problematic, because the guf (body) is on loan to us and not owned by us. Perhaps over Shabbos I will find time to look it up and provide an exact phrasing.
I know someone who had a nose job. Before she had it done she asked a Rov who told her not only is it allowed, it’s a must if it will help in shidduchim. Granted, she had a pretty bad nose before…
On a side note, due to the lack of funds going to the docs themselves, a lot of good surgeons are leaving regular surg and going into plastics. What I must be crazy -medical costs have been increasing the last 30 years straight? Yea, but what the Clintons started with the HMO’s and changing the whole insurance business, decreased the money to docs and everyone else in the medical field. So where does all the profit go? To the insurance and HMO execs. And I’m sure gov. gets their kickbacks. Before any politician tells you -I’m changing things for your benefit -figure it out -if it’s true?! So if the next time ch’vs you need a trauma surg and it only turns out to be a resident with limited experience -don’t complain -you put these people (politicians) into office! You get what care you pay for! And if you think I don’t know what I’m talking about, how come so many hospitals closed in the last few years with the pop. increasing, not decreasing?
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Thank you.
For those who dodn’t appreciate my humor, it’s no skin off my nose <ducking>.
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