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January 6, 2016 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1122822👑RebYidd23Participant
Neville, the plant has a lot of uses. The non-drug variety, illegal by association, can be used to make fabric, paper and fuel.January 7, 2016 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1122823oyyoyyoyParticipant
You can smoke a cigar when you have a baby. You don’t smoke a casual joint with dinner. You smoke it for one reason, to get high.
cmon man, most people drink alcohol for its inibriating effects. and who cares if there are other kinda ok times to drink if it is a dangerous substance?
answer is that normal people over the legal age are, and can be, responsible to be responsible with their own lives. there are other drugs a person cant be responsible with, like heroin.
the pro pot crowd is made up of unrepentant druggies and people who have never known someone who suffered from the drug and thus are completely clueless.
false and false. cmon neville you really thought so?January 7, 2016 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1122824Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
RebYidd: What you’re saying is just completely false. Hemp fabric is totally legal; I think I own some. We’re only talking about the drug here, don’t straw man it.
Oyyoy: Your use the word “cmon” so many times makes your argument ever so hard to refute, but I’ll try my best. “who cares if there are other kinda okay times to drink if it is a dangerous substance?” Did you not read the part of the thread to which that was a response? Electricity can be dangerous, I think we all “care” that there are other “kinda ok” uses for it. Pot has only one use, getting high. And if somebody tries to derail this one more time by listing other uses of the plant from which pot, the drug, is derived I will reach through the CR and punch him or her.January 7, 2016 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1122825apushatayidParticipant
why do we think medical marijuana is for pot heads only? is there a law on the books anywhere that it must be prescribed by a tie dyed t shirt wearing hippie listening to bob marley music?January 8, 2016 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1122826Matan1Participant
Neville, liquor has only one use, getting inebriated.January 8, 2016 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #1122827oyyoyyoyParticipant
ya, just the way i talk, cmon be a sport. i hear what your saying. it happens to be that for some of these poeple who are suffering, pot is a huge help in the process of fighting. i understand were switching from rec to med but for the med the argument should still hold true.January 10, 2016 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1122828HolalaParticipant
Medical marojuana is legal with restrictions since the summerJanuary 10, 2016 2:57 am at 2:57 am #1122829feivelParticipant
“Neville, liquor has only one use, getting inebriated.”
Whoa. You are way off base. Apparently you never savored a single malt from the lush valleys of Killarney.
You never languished over the spicy yet substantially mellow bouquet of a 40 year old delicate rye.
Try a Macallan 1946. I think you’ll change your tune.January 10, 2016 3:30 am at 3:30 am #1122830
Medical Marijuana is illegal everywhere in the USA under federal law as stated above. Federal law preempts state law. The only thing stopping medical marijuana producers and users from going to prison is Obama’s administrative (some might say illegal) orders not to enforce the law when the states pass (otherwise) meaningless legislation purporting to legalize it.January 10, 2016 4:32 am at 4:32 am #1122831miamilawyerParticipant
This really is not so simple. There remains a debate as to whether this issue should be something that is reserved to the states under the tenth amendment. It is true that right now the majority of the Supreme Court in the raich case held that the federal government has the right to regulate pot, but two justices dissented and ultimately, in this country the law emanates from some combination of the three branches which have struggled for power over time.
Several states have chosen to legalize medical marijuana and a few recreational. Two justices on the Supreme Court believe they have the right to do so. The executive branch has explicitly agreed to leave those states alone. And he arguably has the right to do that.
In my view, it is therefore legal in those states that authorize it. It is also true that tomorrow president Cruz or trump or whoever could change Obamas policy on this, or president Clinton could liberalize it, but as of right now, the president has agreed, there is a constitutional argument that the federal law overreaches the state,s sovereignty, so to say it’s illegal under federal law is not exactly right.
Ps. The federal government has been notoriously anti pot. One reason for the current laxity is similar to the Jewish law concept that you don’t make a law the klal won’t comply with. The fact is that there is widespread noncompliance in states where it is still illegal,, it is probably less damaging then alcohol, and if the states are going to permit it, the Feds are going to have a real hard time enforcing without state cooperation.January 10, 2016 4:36 am at 4:36 am #1122832☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
The only thing stopping medical marijuana producers and users from going to prison is Obama’s administrative (some might say illegal) orders not to enforce the law when the states pass (otherwise) meaningless legislation purporting to legalize it.
The House of Representatives passed a bill defunding prosecution as well.January 11, 2016 12:36 am at 12:36 am #1122833
miamilawyer- many debates exist. The Supreme Court has been the self-proclaimed and only accepted interpreter of the constitution for at least the last 200 years. It has ruled directly on this issue. Raich says drug laws are not a federal overreach of interstate power. Marbury says that federal law as defined by the USSC wins. Debates and your view notwithstanding, marijuana remains entirely illegal under federal law.
@dy – congress may have chosen to “not fund” the prosecution of violators of this law. If Obama were to decide to prosecute, I don’t see how the funding would have any direct bearing on anything but logistics.January 12, 2016 3:53 am at 3:53 am #1122834miamilawyerParticipant
Frum. There are a lot of complicated issues. perhaps the better way to say it is that it’s technically assur, but obamas justice dept has given a heter to anyone possessing it in a state that legalizes it. Note also that the contr subst act permits the atty general to reclassify drugs out of schedule one. Atty general serves at the pleasure of president. While Obama has declined to declassify, he has essentially tacitly approved a Heter in states that permit it.
And of course I realize that Supr ct is final arbiter of constitutionality but my point on that is its fluid and what is constitutional today, may not be tomorrow.January 12, 2016 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #1122835
@miamilawyer – I’m glad we now agree. Possession of Marijuana is illegal in the USA under the Controlled Substances Act. The odds of facing criminal penalties for violating this federal law in states with legislation which purport to “legalize” it are currently negligible. Things could change in the future.
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