June 15, 2020 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1872861grandmammaParticipant
TRUMP IS NOT A STUPID PRESIDENT! HE HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE BEST PRESIDENTS IN A VERY LONG TIME AND WE YIDDEN SHOULD DAVEN THAT HE SHOULD WIN. OTHERWISE HASHEM SHOULD HELP US WITH ALL THE IDIOTIC DEMOCRATS AND THEIR STUPID MADE UP IDEAS. STOP LISTENING TO FAKE NEWS AND SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP.June 15, 2020 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #1872894
Grandma, your caps lock is stuck.June 15, 2020 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1872907
If you can’t understand the difference between outdoor rallies and indoor rallies, you haven’t been paying attention. If you compare photos of anti-lockdown protesters and BLM protesters, you’ll notice that very few of the former wore masks, while large numbers of the latter wore masks. If you’re concerned about virus-laden droplets, stay away from crowds, whether they be demonstrators, people partying outside bars, or people attending political rallies.
It’s unfortunate that this pandemic has been politicized. I don’t think this happened with polio. People didn’t argue with public health officials. They took precautions, and when a vaccine was developed, everyone was thrilled and lined up to get inoculated.June 16, 2020 12:20 am at 12:20 am #1872922
There have been LARGE numbers of BLM protesters/rioters WITHOUT masks. Outdoor parks have been closed, outdoor wedding and funerals have been BANNED. OUTDOOR mass gatherings carry great risk of transmitting COVID.June 16, 2020 10:37 am at 10:37 am #1873025NerliParticipant
Whilst Trump appears to be an anti-government , anti institution gangster , accidental comedian and the accidental president by how he preaches and conducts himself in private as well as public a fool , I dont believe he is. Atleast when it pertains to himself that is. He gets tested daily and so do all his cohorts. He knows he is losing the battle with this virus and at this rate with the economy and with BLM (which I wont get into here) . However he wants to cheer the country on.
And at the end of the day and even at the beginning. He has protected and stood up for jews and their interests.
Forget what he says about testing or tasting. It’s up to us individuals to educate ourselves and look around at different states and Israel and build our own protections. Masks do make sense. 6ft distance makes sense. Washing hands well makes sense. Flying anywhere does not. Going to a crowded supermarket or store does not imho.June 16, 2020 10:38 am at 10:38 am #1873026
I agree that outdoor mass gatherings are not a good idea, even with masks. It remains to be seen how many people become infected as a result of attending BLM rallies. The problem is that protests are protected by the First Amendment. Were any protests against lockdown shut down because of the virus?
A February soccer match in Italy has been dubbed a “biological bomb” because it’s linked to the outbreak there. But indoor mass gatherings are much more risky. Trump (or perhaps his campaign) has said that he’s not willing to play to a non-packed audience. Add to that his disdain for masks, and the Tulsa rally is likely to become a superspreader event.June 16, 2020 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1873060
“The problem is that protests are protected by the First Amendment.”
YY: Religious services are ALSO protected by the same First Amendment. If the mass protests are permitted, then mass religious services must be permitted.
And the many many DAILY mass protests across many cities are certainly, culmatively, MUCH more likely to cause many COVID infections than a single indoor rally.June 16, 2020 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #1873061
So it’s simple
Dub this as a protest against democrats and even you are happy (well maybe not because you happen to be a democrat)June 16, 2020 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1873249
Oh Charlie -“If 115,000 dead Americans and a destroyed economy isn’t a mess up, nothing is.”
Funny; if Obama was still Pres. – you’d have 2-3 Mil. DEAD. And we would be in a Depression worse than the ’30s! Go Trump!June 17, 2020 9:42 am at 9:42 am #1873372
What Jews did the president stand up for? Which Jewish interests has he protected?June 17, 2020 9:43 am at 9:43 am #1873375
The Obama administration had H1N1 in 2009, Ebola in 2014, and Zika in 2016. They more or less did the job. The feds today, have completely backed away from this pandemic and told the States to deal with it. Nobody saw the U. S. getting hit so hard. This thread started about The President ignoring the reality on the ground. If you want to transfer power back to the States, then keep on supporting Trump. There is no reason to lie about the pandemic. This is clearly not something he ever intended to deal with.June 17, 2020 9:43 am at 9:43 am #1873376
The First Amendment does not exactly cover services. But the idea here was that religious people would be careful about social distancing, because they tend to be more contentious of the communal good. [As opposed to their own personal right.] I imagine this could make things even more difficult for religious lobbies behind closed doors.June 17, 2020 9:43 am at 9:43 am #1873377
The President himself supplied our answer! “Do you think I’m stupid?” Trump, on avoiding the Vietnam Draft.June 17, 2020 10:48 am at 10:48 am #1873434
Trump was what I call “The Great White Hope”…….except his “Mushy” plan to strangle Israel is a slow way to choke the Jews out of their home and make way for a terrorist state……exactly what the Middle East needs to bring more peace……It is scary hiw they try to cover over the facts in their simplicity…..June 17, 2020 10:49 am at 10:49 am #1873440
N0m: The First Amendment most certainly does cover religious services.June 17, 2020 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #1873512
nOmesorah -“The Obama administration had H1N1 in 2009, Ebola in 2014, and Zika in 2016. They more or less did the job.”
That was Nothing compared to Covid19!
Don’t let your Political Beliefs obscure the truth.June 17, 2020 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1873560
Just heard repeated, if no test, no cases. Someone said, if no death certificate, he is not dead. This reminds of a story my father told me about buraeucracy. A doctor would go out to the front to declare people dead. He said on a group that they are dead. One person of tbe group says, I am alive! He is told, you shout up, the doctor said you are dead.June 17, 2020 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #1873593
yehuda-“I agree that outdoor mass gatherings are not a good idea, even with masks. It remains to be seen how many people become infected as a result of attending BLM rallies”
with deblasio saying that people who test positive should not be asked if they went to blm protests we wont find outJune 17, 2020 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1873595
shulchan aruch yid- “Trump was what I call “The Great White Hope”…….except his “Mushy” plan to strangle Israel is a slow way to choke the Jews out of their home and make way for a terrorist state……exactly what the Middle East needs to bring more peace……It is scary hiw they try to cover over the facts in their simplicity…..”
i dont know if you read the shulchan aruch but it says in it NOT TO LIEJune 17, 2020 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #1873622🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Reb E – I think we’ve been thru this several times before. Do you not want to hear that you are mistaken or is it just hard to have one less thing to complain about?
This comment was made in the context of the NUMBER OF CASES INCREASING. See, if people aren’t getting sick enough to go in to hospitals anymore, than the ONLY way to see if the number of cases are increasing is thru testing. Months ago, we didn’t have this much testing but we saw the covid cases were increasing because more and more people were getting admitted to hospitals and dying.
Now that that is NOT happening anymore in some areas, the ONLY wasy to see that there are more cases is thru TESTING RESULTS. SO… if there wasn’t any testing going on, we would not be seeing more cases.
Feel free to pretend I didn’t say this, or that he didn’t say that, ignore the press conferences that actually give over CONTEXT. It’s a free world, but it ain’t reality.June 17, 2020 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1873637
Syag, they might have still contracted the virus, don’t go to the hospital and we don’t know about it until tested. They can also be asymptomatic.June 17, 2020 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1873733
Speaking of religious services and social distancing, a “bunch of” COVID cases in Union county, Oregon are being attributed to attendance at a church there. (Sorry for the imprecision, but “a bunch of” is the term used by the local Fox TV affiliate.)
From the article:
The member claims after President Trump deemed churches and other houses of worship essential late last month, the Lighthouse opened back up. But she said they had guidelines for what she had to guess is at least 300 members that attend.
“They had a handwashing station outside the door before you came in,” she told FOX 12. “People wore mask, or they should’ve.”
“They tried to social distance and stay away from people and respect each other’s space,” she continued.
But a video of a recent worship service on the church’s Facebook page shows a large group of churchgoers not social distancing.June 17, 2020 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #1873880
Challenging Trump on the “Deal of the Century” strikes at the heart of the galus Jew and rips his Republican heart in two. As much as he wants to support his people, land and his true home, he can’t. That is because deep down he is afraid of the goyim, wishes to be sheltered under their protection, and wishes to pretend he is waiting for Mashiach……All the while deepening his ties to the exile……as he watches his very exile crumble via disease, riots, and dea dly attacks on Jews……So long as he is safe all is well……This is the galus Jew, who praises Trump to no end……Who watches silently as he tries to slice Israel up into pieces, and is more concerned with Trump than Israel, Jews or Jewish life. Its about being American…..first and foremost……He would not dare to dream of returning to the eternal home of his people…..its “too much change” for him…..and of course he has denigrated living in Israel into some “Maaleh”, some voluntary icing on a Jewish cake……He davens each day for the success of his real Mashiach Trump…..He commits each day to return to his real “Tziyon”, Boro Park and Williamsburg…….His real Yerushalauim, capital of his real promised land…..this is his happiness……This is what he devotes his life to. So when those who just can’t stomach talking down Mein Trumpf….Know it is a pure sign of a true galus Yid…..whose real connection to Torah is based on a good cholent and gefilte fish.June 19, 2020 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #1874501
I apologize. I was focusing on the second point, and did not think how to write out the first one. The First Amendment is aimed against forcing any set of beliefs on the people. It enables any religious expression people choose, but it does not enshrine that people will have religious worship. It does preclude any curtailing of free speech.
That was what I meant. But know I think it could be read as all having to do with the right to assemble. Meaning, that religion is being enshrined through the masses right to assemble. (And the right to religious freedom is to be read implicitly into the constitution itself.) Accordingly, the double standard is obvious. [Just according to this interpretation, i am unsure why the Government is allowed to order a lockdown to begin with.]
In conclusion I think I made it clear that I do not know much about how this works out in everyday legislation and government. Since this thread is all over the place, maybe someone can clear it up for me. But I still think that the Governors were thinking along the first reading when managing two different public crises. Which lead into my second point; But the idea here was that religious people would be careful about social distancing, because they tend to be more conscious of the communal good. [As opposed to their own personal right.]June 19, 2020 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1874507
I was not comparing coranavirus to ebola. I was contrasting between the difference in approach. When the Feds take an all hands on deck approach to Global issues, it seems like they are making a big deal of nothing. But, there is a long list of successes of catastrophes that have been (largely) averted. Compare that with the present, where those in national positions spent three months in denial, two months talking stupidly, and are now projecting it to be almost over. I am not against the politics of it. I am pointing out that you are giving credit to an administration that has made it very clear that it is not their problem to solve.June 19, 2020 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1874532
Ad meah vesrim
Cuomo only cares about Matilda he isn’t even close to who trump cares for (and it’s not himself)June 19, 2020 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #1874553
Trump has everyone sign a waver. What about all the people infected from the people attending the rally?June 21, 2020 10:53 am at 10:53 am #1874695
nOmesorah -“I am pointing out that you are giving credit to an administration that has made it very clear that it is not their problem to solve.”
That’s your problem. If you don’t understand my posts, just Ask.
Instead you make assumptions!
I wasn’t praising the present Administration, but I was Stopping s/o’s Criticism!
“Oh Charlie -“If 115,000 dead Americans and a destroyed economy isn’t a mess up, nothing is.”
Funny; if Obama was still Pres. – you’d have 2-3 Mil. DEAD. And we would be in a Depression worse than the ’30s.”June 22, 2020 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1874993ready nowParticipant
I recommend that “Our Stupid President Trump” headline be changed to “Our President Trump”
No one on earth is perfect, especially some people who make up headlines.June 22, 2020 8:30 am at 8:30 am #1875003
I too agree that by calling him stupid you are enraging his supporters. There are many similiarities with Germany in the 1920s. when Jewish emigrants were rounded up and shipped out the borders . Living in a strip of land in between the German and Polish borders. You can be here for 60+ years but they can strip you (Reb E) of your citizenship and send you back to eastern europe where I am sure you will be happie.rJune 22, 2020 9:49 am at 9:49 am #1875064
Abba_S, you are forgetting the president is not the state that he has us believe. I will be here in the US July 9, 61 years. Having a president who lies more than he tells the truth and cares only for himself does not make me happy. If he does not want to be called by that name, he should not act like that.June 22, 2020 10:49 am at 10:49 am #1875079
I am not saying you can’t disagree with the President, just be respectful. If you are unhappy with the president you are free to leave, nobody will stop you. I am sure the President will also be happy to see you go. Please note that the fact that you are no longer in the USA doesn’t bar you from posting on Yeshiva World.June 22, 2020 11:02 am at 11:02 am #1875097
Abba_S, Don’t tell me what to do. I Iive in te US where he hopefully will not be president much longer. I ecpect our president to be exanplary in his behaviour to be worthy to look up to him.June 22, 2020 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1875141
RE -“Having a president who lies more than he tells the truth and cares only for himself does not make me happy”
LOL. The fact is Trump actually has feeling for the Country.
So who will you vote For? The Demoncrats?
They NEVER LIE.June 22, 2020 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1875160
reb eliezer- “Having a president who lies more than he tells the truth”
Trump is the only president that keeps his promises!!
“Jerusalem is still the capital of Israel and must remain an undivided city accessible to all,” he said in 1992. Clinton even went after former President George H.W. Bush for keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv instead of Jerusalem and then promised to move it.
In 2000, Clinton said:
“I have always wanted to move our embassy to west Jerusalem. We have a designated site there. I have not done so because I didn’t want to do anything to undermine our ability to help to broker a secure and fair and lasting peace for Israelis and for Palestinians. But in light of what has happened, I’ve taken that decision under review, and I’ll make a decision sometime between now and the end of the year on that.”
He never delivered.
Former President George W. Bush
“As soon as I take office, I will begin the process of moving the United States ambassador to the city Israel has chosen as its capital,” he said in 2000. Bush added that he would “start the process as soon as I’m sworn in.”
He never delivered.
Former President Barack Obama
“I continue to say that Jerusalem will be the capital of Israel, and I have said that before, and I will say it again,” he said in 2008. In another speech that year, Obama stated, “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.”
He never delivered.
In contrast, President Trump made a promise during his campaign in 2016 to “move the American embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people, Jerusalem.”
Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images
In 2017, Trump made the first step and announced that “it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel”:
“While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. Today, I am delivering. I’ve judged this course of action to be in the best interest of the United States of America and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This is a long-overdue step to advance the peace process and work towards a lasting agreement.”
Then, of course, on Monday, the U.S. Embassy was officially opened in Jerusalem.
Promises made, promises kept, just as Trump said during his campaign.
TRUMP PROMISES TO BUILD WALL
and he did!!
Trump promises to end Dumb IRAN DEAL
and he did!!
TRUMP PROMISES TO CUT TAXS
and he did
TRUMP PROMISES TO DECLARE CHINA A CURRENCY MANIPULATOR
and he did
TRUMP PROMISES TO Ask countries we protect to pay more for joint defense
and he did
Trump promises TO Create private White House veterans hotline
AND HE DID
trump promises Slash federal regulations
AND HE DID
trump promised to Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government
AND HE DID
trump promised to Nominate someone from his list of justices to replace Antonin Scalia
AND HE DID
trump promises to Keep Guantanamo Bay Detention Center open
AND HE DID
trump promised Cancel the Paris climate agreement
AND HE DID
trump promised to Suspend immigration from terror-prone places
AND HE DID
THE LIST GOES ON AND ON
#thank you trump for all you do for america,Israel,jews and the world!! TRUMP 2020
KEEP AMERICA GREATJune 22, 2020 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1875198
“ I ecpect our president to be exanplary in his behaviour to be worthy to look up to him.“
Why? He’s not your Rav or even your boss for that matter
Where did this notion come from that world leaders are something to “look up to”
And if that’s the case how can you look up to Biden?June 22, 2020 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1875264
Sam1, not keeping a promise even by Jew is not lie but a mi sheporah. A lie is changing the narative of the past facts.June 22, 2020 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1875274Ben LeviParticipant
For Democrats to make the “moral” case against Trump is absurd.
This is the party of Clinton.
The party that did not just back him while he was President, long after wards he was a featured speaker to make the Case for Obama’s second term at the Democratic Party Convention!
Now they feature a man running against Trump who has been accused in credible ways with contemporaneous ,corroborating accounts of not just speaking but acting against women in a criminal fashion.
As for truth.
Where was the Democratic Party when the President of the United State,s William Jefferson Clinton admitted to perjuring himself under oath?June 22, 2020 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #1875275Ben LeviParticipant
And from a Torah perspective it is an indisputable fact that the base of the Democratic Party.
The base that exerts an incredible amount of control on the entire Democratic party does not just condone behavior that abhorrent under the Moral Code of the Torah.
It celebrates it.
In fact it looks down upon those who practice religion as taught and passed down through the ages.
Voting for the Democratic party now-a-days is the essence of an act of self-hatred.
It is the act of voting to put in power those that openly despise your very core belief system.June 22, 2020 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1875283NerliParticipant
Honestly unlike the goyim who need leaders . We bh have leaders. and President Trump nor any other goy should be viewed as our leader .And as long as they dont attack the jews or jewish interest. Then we really shouldnt be complaining. Voting only be wary of if the next candidate is friends with Iran and its views on Israel. If they are friends of the jews. That’s all we should care about. Hashem in His mercy gave us a ‘stupid president’ dont complain!! Just know we are in golus. And we need our leaders more and to connect with Hashem that much more.June 22, 2020 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #1875340
Neril, look at the contradiction in your own words. This is what you wrote: And as long as they dont attack the jews or jewish interest. Response: So dividing Israel in half is considered ok with Jewish interests?
Then we really shouldnt be complaining. Not if all you care about is the USA and dividing Israel and forcing Israel to give in to a terrorist state is OK……..then yes you should not be complaining…..
Voting only be wary of if the next candidate is friends with Iran and its views on Israel. If they are friends of the jews. That’s all we should care about. Hashem in His mercy gave us a ‘stupid president’ dont complain!! Just know we are in golus.
Is there a greater golus than thinking that even if Trump is plotting to destroy Israel all is well so long as USA Jewish interests are served????June 23, 2020 9:11 am at 9:11 am #1875464
Reb E. I am not telling you what to do. You don’t need my permission to stay in the USA. If you want to stay why don’t you run for president? Also if as you say he is stupid what does it say about the one who lost the election. Is she too mentally deficient or is it only Republicans.June 23, 2020 11:30 am at 11:30 am #1875560
A smart person is not afraid to have smart advisors and will not get rid of them because of his inferiority complex.June 23, 2020 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #1875614
Reb eliezer still hasn’t answered my question
Ergo I view his diatribe as poutingJune 23, 2020 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #1875750
Reb E According to you smart people lose elections and only dumb people get to be president. And everyone who disagrees with you is dumb or a liar.June 23, 2020 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1875755
Biden to my knowledge has not done anything to be ashamed off.June 23, 2020 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #1875787grandmammaParticipant
again, I said it before and I am saying it again. Hashem help us if chas v’sholom that dope Biden wins, as bad as it will be for the country, it will be multiplied by hundreds of times for us yidden. I know and agree that the president talks too much and says what he shouldn’t, yet he by far far is better a choice that the progressive democrats . If Biden wins our president will be ANTI FA !!!! Think!June 23, 2020 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1875794
grandmamma What will you do if Biden wins? Or if the left succeeds in defunding the police? Will you stick it out to get a front-row seat to the pogroms or will you leave for your true home, Israel.June 23, 2020 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1875799
Trump’s ethical standards in all areas, is much lower than Mr. Clinton’s. Mrs. Clinton may put up a contest in one or two areas. Mr. Trump’s story of success has been divided between, Times Square, Palm Beach, and Hollywood. t would take tremendous duplicity for a career politician to live such a lifestyle. Mr. Clinton could not host those depraved parties while meeting with the press to make believe that every american would become rich.
You can support Trump. I can give solid reasons if you cannot figure out your own. But please do not make his moral disregard into a virtue. His lifestyle is completely abhorrent.June 23, 2020 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #1875801
Biden who is as bland as wallpaper, a militant punk rock leftist? Do you know how old Mr. Biden is? Or have you confused antifa with an organized political group?
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