December 13, 2010 1:32 am at 1:32 am #593451
Did anyone else notice that there is lately a surge of moderating? I started paying attention after my own incident, Lo Aleichem. I’ve seen a moderater going out of bounds by yelling at an innocent question, alot of thread closings, user blockings and deletions.
Don’t get me wrong; I’m very happy that this site is moderated. I would not be here and contribute otherwise. They must realize, though, that it must not be abused. They have opinions like everyone else, but why does that have to translate to overcontrolling?December 13, 2010 2:59 am at 2:59 am #760850amichaiParticipant
no overcontrolling in my opinion. mods were correct to close when they felt a need.December 13, 2010 3:48 am at 3:48 am #760851real-briskerMember
i agree a bit to tuff recently, but u know what its better safe than sorry.December 13, 2010 3:55 am at 3:55 am #760852charliehallParticipant
I don’t own the site. The site owners can do what they want in terms of moderation. If I don’t like it I am free to start my own competing site.December 13, 2010 3:59 am at 3:59 am #760853
I’ll take “editing” off my list. I think that isn’t overdone.December 13, 2010 4:00 am at 4:00 am #760854
I’m still waiting for my Tikkun.December 13, 2010 4:23 am at 4:23 am #760855chesednameParticipant
They’re humans (i assume) and have moods, so if in one type of mood, the post will go through. Another type, post is denied, account suspended, etc..December 13, 2010 5:26 am at 5:26 am #760856kapustaParticipant
I’m a longtime reader/poster here and I think a little while ago the modding level went down (things were not moderated as much) but now theres been an improvement and I think its perfect. What fun would a forum be if all the SN’s would be the same person talking to him/herself? And I know I’m generally ok clicking on a thread that it will not have lashon hara, and considering the huge range of backgrounds posters have, I can only imagine what people attempt to post. I think they’re doing a pretty good job. (Now I’ll wait for my next post to be deleted :))
FTR, if you still maintain your position that things are over-moderated, would you rather that or under-moderating. I’d rather more than less.December 13, 2010 6:06 am at 6:06 am #760857
I’d also rather more than much less. I’d also rather not be forced into reincarnation. You know how painful it is.
Some threads seem to have been closed on a whim, or based on the moderater’s own cooking up to a closing point.December 13, 2010 6:15 am at 6:15 am #760858chesednameParticipant
“If I don’t like it I am free to start my own competing site.”
Get the wrong (or right) person upset, and that’s exactly what will happen.December 13, 2010 6:29 am at 6:29 am #760859
Maybe mods should not moderate for a full day, no editing at all, and then we’ll all see for ourselves if it’s necessary to have such strict moderation.December 13, 2010 6:56 am at 6:56 am #760860YW Moderator-42Moderator
we tried that around purim time. it did not go well. if you want unmoderated forums there is a whole internet out there. this is yeshiva world.December 13, 2010 8:38 am at 8:38 am #760861
smartcookie and Mod-42, is it everything or nothing? I see you guys are really heading toward extremes. What’s going on, is it Blumberg on your head? Oh, I get it. You have quotas to delete, block and close. Yes yes; that’s it. I know you’re gonna deny it. That’s what they all do. Y’see, that explains the recent mood; you guys are simply under pressure.
–Awaiting my Tikkun–December 13, 2010 10:42 am at 10:42 am #760862
Oh yes Mod- I remember that well.
Well, thank you for your work then! I guess we need the strict supervision here.December 13, 2010 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #760863Sam l AmMember
I agree with haRuffRuff. There definitly an arbitrariness and capriciousness in how threads are closed and especially how good users were suddenly dismissed.December 13, 2010 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #760864Avram in MDParticipant
RuffRuff, I’m assuming you are Helpful aka Myfriend aka So right aka Joseph:
Creating a new screenname because your standing was compromised and you want a fresh start is one thing. A person creating multiple screennames for the purpose of hijacking threads; however, is something that any forum would want to avoid, whether or not the person’s viewpoint was correct. A viewpoint if indeed Torah-true does not need deceptive methods to bolster it, and the viewpoint is actually weakened when the deception is discovered or obvious.
Based on how prevalent the puppeteerring has been since I’ve started reading this forum, I’d say the moderators have been pretty lenient.December 13, 2010 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #760865BEST IMAParticipant
Im afraid to think of what would happen to this site without the mods. That time period where the posts were going through without moderation was a disaster! Sometimes we feel so strongly about some of the topics that are brought up we dont think before we write. Mods keep on Moderating!December 13, 2010 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #760867Dave HirschParticipant
I agree with Moderator-42. This is the Yeshiva World and Kosher be it. I never joined a chat room other than the Coffee Room. I’m here because I know that it isn’t simply a chat room. There are no links to undesirable sites, no private messages option, no Lashon Hora and no personal attacks. I also believe that without moderation the coffee room would sometimes look like a Kindergarten.
However, I have one suggestion: When the Mods edit/delete a post, they should specify the issue. Whether it should be seen on his dashboard/profile or email inbox, doesn’t matter. I know that it sometimes leaves you thinking why? I recently posted my opinion about the bodyscans, it had no offensive material (maybe I used some strong language – as I sometimes do, but nothing offensive and of course no foul language) and I got a message like this: DELETED BY MODERATOR . I’m still wondering why. I believe that a message or notice will notify the member what the issue is and he will be able to correct it. It will also give us the feeling of the standard the moderators want and will eventually make the moderators’ job easier.December 13, 2010 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #760868yitayningwutParticipant
Is it just me, or is the term ‘over-moderation’ a bit of an oxymoron?December 13, 2010 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #760869
i had the same thought.
but actually, an oxymoron is someone who tries to climb mount everest without oxygen tanksDecember 13, 2010 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #760870
Why do you bring up not having a moderater?! That’s not what this is about. Do you know the difference between flying and being buried, or can you discern between fasting and overeating?
Avram, you have to be able to back up a wild theory like that. What common thread do you see with all those names mentioned, which have a wide range of opinions? I don’t actually mind that you make assumptions about me, but don’t blame me for them!
Dave, your last point is a very good one. I’d apply that to blocking out someone, that they shouldn’t ignore emails, especially if it gets done randomly.December 13, 2010 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #760871
yitayning, I guess you have to re-read the thread about the Kotzker that even going in the middle of the road can be overdone.
Sam-I-Am, where did you get all that information from?December 13, 2010 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #760872yitayningwutParticipant
LOLDecember 13, 2010 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #76087310-LuchosParticipant
Before there can be a tikun, there needs to be:
3. Azivas HachetDecember 13, 2010 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #760874apushatayidParticipant
10 Luchos?December 13, 2010 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #760875
10-Luchos, that stuff applies only to the first incarnation; now we just wait around for Tikkun.December 13, 2010 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #76087610-LuchosParticipant
Is that a public revelation that you have been reincarnated as a dog?
RuffDecember 14, 2010 4:51 am at 4:51 am #760877ronrsrMember
by definition, all moderation is moderate.December 14, 2010 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #760878HomeownerMember
When a moderator takes part in a discussion and then refuses to allow comments in for the sole reason that he disagrees with the opinion, that is, in my opinion, wrong.December 14, 2010 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #760879
I agree with Homeowner, and feel that while it is nice to banter with the Mods, however, that sometimes compromises their neutrality. Mods should ideally be totally neutral and behind the scenes. People do sometimes feel awkward and afraid to express an opinion that runs counter to the mods for fear of being banned. In all fairness though, I have noticed that most of the time they do a great job of allowing opinions that they do disagree with. However, sometimes they get angry at a poster, which is very tough on the poster, much more than when a regular poster disagrees.
On the other hand, I understand that the Mods are human, and one can’t read posts for hours without wanting to join in the conversation and express an opinion. So it is a difficult issue to resolve.
I also regret that many interesting threads have been closed. Normally the people here are menschlach enough not to allow flaming and hurt feelings to take place without strongly castigating the offender. The CR usually has a self-correcting nature to it. Only obvious comments meant to disrupt or totally off-color should be moderated. Hashkafa is a much tougher topic, since there is a wide spectrum of opinions that have valid sources.
I do agree that multiple screen names should be banned immediately. In my case I once had to reregister, but just used Pashuteh Yid 2.0. I still think I am banned from main news board, and may reregister as Pashuteh Yid 3.0. But there is no intent to deceive or create multiple personas.December 14, 2010 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #760880
I also regret that many interesting threads have been closed. Normally the people here are menschlach enough not to allow flaming and hurt feelings to take place without strongly castigating the offender. The CR usually has a self-correcting nature to it.
you would change your opinion if you could see all the deleted postsDecember 14, 2010 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #760881
Mod-80, That could very well be true. Many of us are probably more than a little curious to see some of those.December 14, 2010 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #760882
you were around during that short time period when the moderation system was crippled
you got a glimpse
but even then we were still able to delete after the posts went upDecember 14, 2010 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #760883
Somehow, I was not active or on-line during that time frame, but I will take your word for it.December 14, 2010 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #760884
MOd- do you also find some members to be a lot more rude and accusing than the CR is used to ?
The CR always had such a pleasant atmosphere, and lately it’s more like shouting and debating each others all the time.December 14, 2010 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #760885
Smartcookie, I noticed that too. Alot of bickering lately, unfortunately. We’ll have to fight that with kind words.
Pashuta Yid, they say you should contact the administrator if you think it was a mistake. Did you try that? I tried many times, and was ignored. I think your idea of just appending a version number is a very good one if you know that it was an error. I didn’t think of that.December 14, 2010 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #760886
Ruff, I also tried, and did not get any useful response, with each telling me that they don’t have access to the accounts and to try a different person or link in YW. I gave up.April 27, 2011 2:34 am at 2:34 am #760887ZeesKiteParticipant
I want to be as polite as possible. There was one poster posting on Erev Shve’ee shel Pesach. She was just respectfully alerting the ‘Olam’ to the atmosphere of laxity in tznius in hotels. She was in one on the first days, and felt the lack of Kedusha overwhelming. I thought a site such as this would be THE place for such comments. (There was no single place named – no Lashon Harah problem at all).April 27, 2011 4:16 am at 4:16 am #760888Chevrah Adas KorachMember
Why r my posts being deleted? What is wrong with talking about the new youth group?
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