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  • #593451

    RuffRuff
    Member

    Did anyone else notice that there is lately a surge of moderating? I started paying attention after my own incident, Lo Aleichem. I’ve seen a moderater going out of bounds by yelling at an innocent question, alot of thread closings, user blockings and deletions.

    Don’t get me wrong; I’m very happy that this site is moderated. I would not be here and contribute otherwise. They must realize, though, that it must not be abused. They have opinions like everyone else, but why does that have to translate to overcontrolling?

    #760850

    amichai
    Participant

    no overcontrolling in my opinion. mods were correct to close when they felt a need.

    #760851

    real-brisker
    Member

    i agree a bit to tuff recently, but u know what its better safe than sorry.

    #760852

    charliehall
    Participant

    I don’t own the site. The site owners can do what they want in terms of moderation. If I don’t like it I am free to start my own competing site.

    #760853

    RuffRuff
    Member

    I’ll take “editing” off my list. I think that isn’t overdone.

    #760854

    RuffRuff
    Member

    I’m still waiting for my Tikkun.

    #760855

    chesedname
    Participant

    They’re humans (i assume) and have moods, so if in one type of mood, the post will go through. Another type, post is denied, account suspended, etc..

    #760856

    kapusta
    Participant

    I’m a longtime reader/poster here and I think a little while ago the modding level went down (things were not moderated as much) but now theres been an improvement and I think its perfect. What fun would a forum be if all the SN’s would be the same person talking to him/herself? And I know I’m generally ok clicking on a thread that it will not have lashon hara, and considering the huge range of backgrounds posters have, I can only imagine what people attempt to post. I think they’re doing a pretty good job. (Now I’ll wait for my next post to be deleted :))

    FTR, if you still maintain your position that things are over-moderated, would you rather that or under-moderating. I’d rather more than less.

    *kapusta*

    #760857

    RuffRuff
    Member

    I’d also rather more than much less. I’d also rather not be forced into reincarnation. You know how painful it is.

    Some threads seem to have been closed on a whim, or based on the moderater’s own cooking up to a closing point.

    #760858

    chesedname
    Participant

    charliehall

    “If I don’t like it I am free to start my own competing site.”

    Get the wrong (or right) person upset, and that’s exactly what will happen.

    #760859

    smartcookie
    Member

    Maybe mods should not moderate for a full day, no editing at all, and then we’ll all see for ourselves if it’s necessary to have such strict moderation.

    #760860

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    we tried that around purim time. it did not go well. if you want unmoderated forums there is a whole internet out there. this is yeshiva world.

    #760861

    RuffRuff
    Member

    smartcookie and Mod-42, is it everything or nothing? I see you guys are really heading toward extremes. What’s going on, is it Blumberg on your head? Oh, I get it. You have quotas to delete, block and close. Yes yes; that’s it. I know you’re gonna deny it. That’s what they all do. Y’see, that explains the recent mood; you guys are simply under pressure.

    –Awaiting my Tikkun–

    #760862

    smartcookie
    Member

    Oh yes Mod- I remember that well.

    Well, thank you for your work then! I guess we need the strict supervision here.

    #760863

    Sam l Am
    Member

    I agree with haRuffRuff. There definitly an arbitrariness and capriciousness in how threads are closed and especially how good users were suddenly dismissed.

    #760864

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    RuffRuff, I’m assuming you are Helpful aka Myfriend aka So right aka Joseph:

    Creating a new screenname because your standing was compromised and you want a fresh start is one thing. A person creating multiple screennames for the purpose of hijacking threads; however, is something that any forum would want to avoid, whether or not the person’s viewpoint was correct. A viewpoint if indeed Torah-true does not need deceptive methods to bolster it, and the viewpoint is actually weakened when the deception is discovered or obvious.

    Based on how prevalent the puppeteerring has been since I’ve started reading this forum, I’d say the moderators have been pretty lenient.

    #760865

    BEST IMA
    Participant

    Im afraid to think of what would happen to this site without the mods. That time period where the posts were going through without moderation was a disaster! Sometimes we feel so strongly about some of the topics that are brought up we dont think before we write. Mods keep on Moderating!

    #760867

    Dave Hirsch
    Participant

    I agree with Moderator-42. This is the Yeshiva World and Kosher be it. I never joined a chat room other than the Coffee Room. I’m here because I know that it isn’t simply a chat room. There are no links to undesirable sites, no private messages option, no Lashon Hora and no personal attacks. I also believe that without moderation the coffee room would sometimes look like a Kindergarten.

    However, I have one suggestion: When the Mods edit/delete a post, they should specify the issue. Whether it should be seen on his dashboard/profile or email inbox, doesn’t matter. I know that it sometimes leaves you thinking why? I recently posted my opinion about the bodyscans, it had no offensive material (maybe I used some strong language – as I sometimes do, but nothing offensive and of course no foul language) and I got a message like this: DELETED BY MODERATOR . I’m still wondering why. I believe that a message or notice will notify the member what the issue is and he will be able to correct it. It will also give us the feeling of the standard the moderators want and will eventually make the moderators’ job easier.

    #760868

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Is it just me, or is the term ‘over-moderation’ a bit of an oxymoron?

    #760869

    i had the same thought.

    but actually, an oxymoron is someone who tries to climb mount everest without oxygen tanks

    #760870

    RuffRuff
    Member

    Why do you bring up not having a moderater?! That’s not what this is about. Do you know the difference between flying and being buried, or can you discern between fasting and overeating?

    Avram, you have to be able to back up a wild theory like that. What common thread do you see with all those names mentioned, which have a wide range of opinions? I don’t actually mind that you make assumptions about me, but don’t blame me for them!

    Dave, your last point is a very good one. I’d apply that to blocking out someone, that they shouldn’t ignore emails, especially if it gets done randomly.

    #760871

    RuffRuff
    Member

    yitayning, I guess you have to re-read the thread about the Kotzker that even going in the middle of the road can be overdone.

    Sam-I-Am, where did you get all that information from?

    #760872

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    LOL

    #760873

    10-Luchos
    Participant

    Before there can be a tikun, there needs to be:

    1. Vidui

    2. Charata

    3. Azivas Hachet

    #760874

    apushatayid
    Participant

    10 Luchos?

    #760875

    RuffRuff
    Member

    10-Luchos, that stuff applies only to the first incarnation; now we just wait around for Tikkun.

    #760876

    10-Luchos
    Participant

    Is that a public revelation that you have been reincarnated as a dog?

    Ruff

    Ruff

    #760877

    ronrsr
    Member

    by definition, all moderation is moderate.

    #760878

    Homeowner
    Member

    When a moderator takes part in a discussion and then refuses to allow comments in for the sole reason that he disagrees with the opinion, that is, in my opinion, wrong.

    #760879

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    I agree with Homeowner, and feel that while it is nice to banter with the Mods, however, that sometimes compromises their neutrality. Mods should ideally be totally neutral and behind the scenes. People do sometimes feel awkward and afraid to express an opinion that runs counter to the mods for fear of being banned. In all fairness though, I have noticed that most of the time they do a great job of allowing opinions that they do disagree with. However, sometimes they get angry at a poster, which is very tough on the poster, much more than when a regular poster disagrees.

    On the other hand, I understand that the Mods are human, and one can’t read posts for hours without wanting to join in the conversation and express an opinion. So it is a difficult issue to resolve.

    I also regret that many interesting threads have been closed. Normally the people here are menschlach enough not to allow flaming and hurt feelings to take place without strongly castigating the offender. The CR usually has a self-correcting nature to it. Only obvious comments meant to disrupt or totally off-color should be moderated. Hashkafa is a much tougher topic, since there is a wide spectrum of opinions that have valid sources.

    I do agree that multiple screen names should be banned immediately. In my case I once had to reregister, but just used Pashuteh Yid 2.0. I still think I am banned from main news board, and may reregister as Pashuteh Yid 3.0. But there is no intent to deceive or create multiple personas.

    #760880

    I also regret that many interesting threads have been closed. Normally the people here are menschlach enough not to allow flaming and hurt feelings to take place without strongly castigating the offender. The CR usually has a self-correcting nature to it.

    you would change your opinion if you could see all the deleted posts

    #760881

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Mod-80, That could very well be true. Many of us are probably more than a little curious to see some of those.

    #760882

    you were around during that short time period when the moderation system was crippled

    you got a glimpse

    but even then we were still able to delete after the posts went up

    #760883

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Somehow, I was not active or on-line during that time frame, but I will take your word for it.

    #760884

    smartcookie
    Member

    MOd- do you also find some members to be a lot more rude and accusing than the CR is used to ?

    The CR always had such a pleasant atmosphere, and lately it’s more like shouting and debating each others all the time.

    #760885

    RuffRuff
    Member

    Smartcookie, I noticed that too. Alot of bickering lately, unfortunately. We’ll have to fight that with kind words.

    Pashuta Yid, they say you should contact the administrator if you think it was a mistake. Did you try that? I tried many times, and was ignored. I think your idea of just appending a version number is a very good one if you know that it was an error. I didn’t think of that.

    #760886

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Ruff, I also tried, and did not get any useful response, with each telling me that they don’t have access to the accounts and to try a different person or link in YW. I gave up.

    #760887

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    To MOD-95

    I want to be as polite as possible. There was one poster posting on Erev Shve’ee shel Pesach. She was just respectfully alerting the ‘Olam’ to the atmosphere of laxity in tznius in hotels. She was in one on the first days, and felt the lack of Kedusha overwhelming. I thought a site such as this would be THE place for such comments. (There was no single place named – no Lashon Harah problem at all).

    #760888

    Why r my posts being deleted? What is wrong with talking about the new youth group?

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