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@ubiquitin: did u ever hear of a person not buying a lottery ticket and he won ????
Do you think Hashem can’t do something because it never happened before?????
Some people give lottery tickets as gifts. So yes someone can win without actually buying the ticket — bederech ha’teva. These tickets have the same minuscule odds as all the others for that game. Whether someone won this way or not is irrelevant.
Holala
You bet!
I went to a chasidish cheder. Ive heard all sorts of stories. Recieving or finding a lottery ticket is a lot less miraculous than many of the stories Ive heard.
And a found/recieved ticket winning has the same odds as any other. The fact that it may not have happened is irrelevant
Think about it this way as you may or may not know the odds of 1 2 3 4 5 6 being the winning numbers are equal to any other set of numbers that have been chosen, will be chosen or that could be chosen . Just because these have never been the numbers to date doesnt change this basic fact
Bottom line:
If Hashem wnts you to lose $2 dont worry he’ll find a way you dont need to waste it on a loto ticket
ubiq: You never purchased a lottery ticket in your life, or at least in recent years?
To quote a Rabbi at a high school in NY (I forget which one):
It cannot be true that if you have enough Bitachon in winning the lottery that you win the lottery. If two people have perfect Bitachon in winning the lottery (not splitting it), does the world explode?
Oh, and that R’ Yisrael Salanter story isn’t true. As far as I researched, there was no lottery in Russia or Lithuania in the 19th century.
Joseph
You kidding?
I bought one yesterday
That doesnt mean I think Im engaging in any hishtadlus. ITs fun to dream and $2 isnt that much money to fuel that dream.
I think Wolf explained it nicely earlier
Sam, the jackpot doubles.
Sam: Where did you research the lack of a lottery in Lithuania and Russia?
1 in 4 car accidents are caused by texting and driving
People: “Won’t be me.”
1 in 292 million chance of winning the Powerball
People: “You never know.”
crazybrit: I think you’re just jealous that you cannot purchase a Powerball in London.
Holala
As the old cliche goes your odds of getting hit by lightning are higher than winning the lottery.
If I sold you a “lightning deflector” would you view it as proper hishtadlus, or view it as a silly over the top preparation for a event that is very unlikely?
in the uk we had a record lottery weekend with euromillions and lotto jackpot totalling 102 million, no lottery tax in uk means that winner keeps all….
i bought a ticket for both…
i won on one…..
that makes me a lottery winner fyi.
crazybrit: those aren’t equal comparisons. An appropriate example would be to compare how many times a driver is texting and he ends up in a car accident.
ubiquitin: I believe you need ID to pick up the ticket to prove that you didn’t steal or forge the ticket. So finding the winning ticket on the street would unfortunately not earn you any money.
crazybrit: In America 102 million is pocket change. Or petty cash, as we say in business.
Would you buy a reverse lottery ticket?
Smart employers prohibit their employees from conducting an employee-pool lottery participation, since if they win most will quit simultaneously and put the business at sudden risk.
Smart employers know that its so unlikely for that to happen, it doesn’t pay to stymie the employees’ initiative.
It’s happened where they won and quit.
interjection
“I believe you need ID to pick up the ticket to prove that you didn’t steal or forge the ticket. “
you believe wrong. I bought a ticket it is in no way linked to my name in any way shape or form if I give it to you, or you find it or steal it There is no way for me to prove it or anybody to find out.
If the ticket was obtained illegitimately (i.e. stolen, as you suggested, or even lost and found) the authorities can likely determine that by seeing where it was purchased, where you were at the time, using possible video surveillance of the ticket vendor from the time of sale, etc.
Stolen would surely be unlikely to get away with. Even a found ticket it is questionable if it would be honored, and indeed unlikely if they realize it was a lost ticket.
But you’re correct that there is no ID required at the time of purchase.
I wonder if a person admitted he found the ticket. And in the super unikely event that nobody else claimed it.
Would he get the prize?
My guess is not because usually in American law a finder is not entitled to keep lost items, even if it remains unclaimed.
At the end of the day everything depends on hashem. Do a little hishtadlis and hashem will help u
Is that a guarantee that if I buy a ticket, Hashem will help me?
And in the super unikely event that nobody else claimed it.
I don’t know the answer to your question, but I don’t think that’s super unlikely. If you lost your ticket, would you be able to recall all six numbers?
Before the drawing I calculated that your odds of being killed in an auto accident while driving a mile to the convenience store to buy the ticket are 3x that of actually winning.
I’m glad you made it there and back alive, Charlie. If was a close call and we were all worried for you!
The winner probably lives around the corner from the convenience store.
Joseph: Incorrect. You must present ID that you are 18 years of age to buy a ticket. Most stores don’t enforce this when the purchaser is clearly an adult, but it’s just like carding for any liquor (21) or lottery purchase.
DY
“If you lost your ticket, would you be able to recall all six numbers? “
If the winner announced that he found his ticket. You cna bet there will be hundreds if not thousands claiming they “lost” their tickets. And miraculousy ALL of them will “remember” their numbers
BTW Jospeh and Holala
This was in the Daily news 12/28/13
“Man who found $1M lottery ticket while raking leaves among 5 in New York State who claim big prizes”
If the winner announced that he found his ticket. You cna bet there will be hundreds if not thousands claiming they “lost” their tickets. And miraculousy ALL of them will “remember” their numbers
Correct, if such a claim would be credible, but it wouldn’t.
Query this: let’s say a lottery ticket was lost, then used to claim a prize, but the purchaser can prove that he bought it (e.g. video footage from the store, or he took a picture and emailed it). Who would be the rightful winner?
Me.
Are you a finder or a loser?
A winner.
But seriously, I didn’t let myself but more than one ticket, plus a share in a few others so I was terribly surprised that I didn’t win!
“It’s happened where they won and quit.”
If they are smart, they would buy the company and become the boss.
If the employee pool won they can’t all become the bosses.
If they won they would have already retired.
I didn’t let myself but
Here we go again… who’s going to make a big fuss about your typo?
I think my “Y” key is linked to the “T” key.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/are-children-jewish
To my dear children, Klall Yisroel,
Many of you have desperately asked me to make you win the recent lottery. You all had very good reasons why you each should be the winner. The amounts of tzedaka you would each give, the amount of learning that would be implemented and many more reasons. As your loving Father I could not allow one of you to win. Even though some of you have said that even if I feel it would be no good for you, I should still make you win, I could not allow it. Trust me, I wanted each and everyone of you to be the winner but a father knows best and would never knowingly allow one of his children to chas ve’sholam get hurt. Please trust me. I’ve always been there for you and I promise I will always continue to be there for you. Over the last couple of days, so many of my children have had tremendous kavona during shmoine esrei especially during the broches of shema ko’leinu and at the end. Everyday that you have life, health, family and friends is a winner of a lottery itself. Don’t take it for granted. Continue your teffilois with the truly important things in life in mind. Please don’t stop turning to me. Those are the things that I love to give to my children. Please don’t give up our renewed relationship. I looked forward every tefillah these past couple of days to hear from you. You are my beloved child. I am your father. Talk to me. Ask me. And trust my decisions. I know what I am doing. Just because you don’t have now 75 million dollars to give maiser, I value the maiser you give from your money just as equally. I decide what maiser I expect from you. Please my dear children, reach out to me, and let’s keep our re ignited relationship going. you mean so much to me.
Love your Father in heaven.
Man: Hashem, if I win the lottery I will go to Kollel for the rest of my life.
Hashem: Thanks for the offer, but I have 50,000 people that do it for $100 a week.
a one in 300000000 chance is foolish and wasteful. personally i gave 2 dollars to tzedaka to somewhat offset the rampant irresponsible behavior.
Holola
“@ubiquitin: did u ever hear of a person not buying a lottery ticket and he won ????”
YES!!!!!!
Hahahaha
It seems that the winner in California had the ticket given to her. By Shlomo Rechnitz no less.
What sayeth you?
Does she have to give $10 million to Oorah?
So turns out was a hoax apparently she didn’t really win
Of course not, she didn’t buy a ticket.
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