April 23, 2020 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1852233
also https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1851869/kiddush-hashem-thousands-of-orthodox-jews-line-up-to-get-tested-for-plasma-in-flatbush-boro-park-baltimore.htmlApril 23, 2020 11:53 am at 11:53 am #1852402
Not specific to these examples, but speaking generally what constitutes a Kiddush Hashem or not is not determined by what is published in Yated, Hamodia, Yeshiva World, the New York Times or any other publication.April 23, 2020 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #1852554The Shady CharediParticipant
I agree with the sentiment here. I think the term ‘Kiddish HaShem’ gets way over used, and very much misused by the ‘frum’ media. (Similarly there is barely ever a ‘Kiddush HaShem’ article that the commentators can come to consensus on its indeed being a kiddush or chillul HaShem.)
I invite Rabbi Hoffman to write an article for YWN on the halachic and Chazal deliniations of what a true Kiddush HaShem is.
On that note: One ha’orah is that it is wrong to think that kiddush/chillul HaShem is only defined as a function of perception by others or the masses, since in Pirkei Avos [4:4] we see “ רבי יוחנן בן ברוקא אומר כל המחלל שם שמים בסתר. נפרעין ממנו בגלוי”, so we see there is clearly such a thing as a Chillul HaShem in private. I think the Maharal might make this point, but I haven’t gone to look it up again right now.April 23, 2020 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1852596
A real Kiddush Hashem is doing a mitzvah in front of ten Yidden. Like learning Torah in a Beis Medrash.
This whole business of looking good by the Goyim is completely secondary, if even that much.April 23, 2020 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1852630April 23, 2020 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1852750
We as Jews must behave properly to everyone and therefore publicizing among Jews our outstanding behavior becomes a kiddush Hashem.April 24, 2020 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1852906
Chazal say שיהא שם שמים מתאהב על ידך . This is of course based on the first פסוק of שמע. Hope this helps RE.April 24, 2020 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1852935
Benephraim, are you agreeing with me or not?April 24, 2020 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #1852967ubiquitinParticipant
“This whole business of looking good by the Goyim is completely secondary, if even that much.”
Unclear what “if even that much” means
It is important to “look good by the Goyim” *
It has lately become fashionable in some circles to deny this for whatever reason.
However 1) definitions can change even if it technically isnt a “kiddush Hashem” it clearly is still a good thing
and 2) we find it called Kiddush Hashem by Risho0nim. See Rambam Gezeila 11:3 אֲבֵדַת עוֹבֵד עַכּוּ”ם מֻתֶּרֶת שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר “אֲבֵדַת אָחִיךָ”. וְהַמַּחֲזִירָהּ הֲרֵי זֶה עוֹבֵר עֲבֵרָה מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהוּא מַחֲזִיק יַד רִשְׁעֵי עוֹלָם. וְאִם הֶחֱזִירָהּ לְקַדֵּשׁ אֶת הַשֵּׁם כְּדֵי שֶׁיְּפָאֲרוּ אֶת יִשְׂרָאֵל וְיֵדְעוּ שֶׁהֵם בַּעֲלֵי אֱמוּנָה הֲרֵי
*That said most of “kiddush Hashem” stories are idiotic, and if anything serve to highlight what a low opinion some people have of Heimish yidden. Wow amazing a Yid said good morning and didn’t slam the door in a person’s face what a Kiddush Hashem!April 24, 2020 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1852993
RE are you saying the פירסום is the עיקר or the mayseh itself?April 24, 2020 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm #1853011
I say the pirsum makes the kiddush Hashem. It has to be among ten Jews.April 24, 2020 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #1853066
Reb Eliezer, you’re making the same point as I, in your most recent comment.April 24, 2020 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #1853075
RE. In your conception do the 10 have to be together like a minyan to shaf the קידוש השם?
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