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  • #1852233
    Reb Eliezer
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    #1852402
    Joseph
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    Not specific to these examples, but speaking generally what constitutes a Kiddush Hashem or not is not determined by what is published in Yated, Hamodia, Yeshiva World, the New York Times or any other publication.

    #1852554
    The Shady Charedi
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    I agree with the sentiment here. I think the term ‘Kiddish HaShem’ gets way over used, and very much misused by the ‘frum’ media. (Similarly there is barely ever a ‘Kiddush HaShem’ article that the commentators can come to consensus on its indeed being a kiddush or chillul HaShem.)

    I invite Rabbi Hoffman to write an article for YWN on the halachic and Chazal deliniations of what a true Kiddush HaShem is.

    On that note: One ha’orah is that it is wrong to think that kiddush/chillul HaShem is only defined as a function of perception by others or the masses, since in Pirkei Avos [4:4] we see “ רבי יוחנן בן ברוקא אומר כל המחלל שם שמים בסתר. נפרעין ממנו בגלוי”, so we see there is clearly such a thing as a Chillul HaShem in private. I think the Maharal might make this point, but I haven’t gone to look it up again right now.

    #1852596
    Joseph
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    A real Kiddush Hashem is doing a mitzvah in front of ten Yidden. Like learning Torah in a Beis Medrash.

    This whole business of looking good by the Goyim is completely secondary, if even that much.

    #1852630
    Reb Eliezer
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    #1852750
    Reb Eliezer
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    We as Jews must behave properly to everyone and therefore publicizing among Jews our outstanding behavior becomes a kiddush Hashem.

    #1852906
    Benephraim
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    Chazal say שיהא שם שמים מתאהב על ידך . This is of course based on the first פסוק of שמע. Hope this helps RE.

    #1852935
    Reb Eliezer
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    Benephraim, are you agreeing with me or not?

    #1852967
    ubiquitin
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    “This whole business of looking good by the Goyim is completely secondary, if even that much.”

    Unclear what “if even that much” means
    It is important to “look good by the Goyim” *

    It has lately become fashionable in some circles to deny this for whatever reason.
    However 1) definitions can change even if it technically isnt a “kiddush Hashem” it clearly is still a good thing
    and 2) we find it called Kiddush Hashem by Risho0nim. See Rambam Gezeila 11:3 אֲבֵדַת עוֹבֵד עַכּוּ”ם מֻתֶּרֶת שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר “אֲבֵדַת אָחִיךָ”. וְהַמַּחֲזִירָהּ הֲרֵי זֶה עוֹבֵר עֲבֵרָה מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהוּא מַחֲזִיק יַד רִשְׁעֵי עוֹלָם. וְאִם הֶחֱזִירָהּ לְקַדֵּשׁ אֶת הַשֵּׁם כְּדֵי שֶׁיְּפָאֲרוּ אֶת יִשְׂרָאֵל וְיֵדְעוּ שֶׁהֵם בַּעֲלֵי אֱמוּנָה הֲרֵי
    זֶה מְשֻׁבָּח

    *That said most of “kiddush Hashem” stories are idiotic, and if anything serve to highlight what a low opinion some people have of Heimish yidden. Wow amazing a Yid said good morning and didn’t slam the door in a person’s face what a Kiddush Hashem!

    #1852993
    Benephraim
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    RE are you saying the פירסום is the עיקר or the mayseh itself?

    #1853011
    Reb Eliezer
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    I say the pirsum makes the kiddush Hashem. It has to be among ten Jews.

    #1853066
    Joseph
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    Reb Eliezer, you’re making the same point as I, in your most recent comment.

    #1853075
    Benephraim
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    RE. In your conception do the 10 have to be together like a minyan to shaf the קידוש השם?

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