January 29, 2021 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1943339mkylbParticipant
If our community’s current behaviour continues through Purim, it is an absolute certainty that thousands will die as a result.
Now is the time for us, the regular people who normally try and keep our heads down, to stand up and demand that our Rabbonim and community leaders come out unequivocally to say that Purim MUST be different this year. No big parties, no seudos with multiple families, no shpielers going from door to door, no shouting and singing in Shul.
We cannot claim ignorance like we did last Purim when no one knew Covid was amongst us.
So far, there has been absolute silence from our leaders.January 29, 2021 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #1943687
We have RJJ in Staten Island to send shloach monos for you, so you don’t have to do it yourself.January 30, 2021 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #1943810
Pirkei Avos (Ethics of the Fathers) mishna 5:7 outlines 7 signs of the wise anda golem:
“7 [indications] of the golem and 7 of the wise:
1) The wise person does not speak prior to someone greater in wisdom or in years
The opposite is a golem.
PS all your topic are very TrollishJanuary 30, 2021 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #1943812
MKYLB speaks emes. Nearly 400 Israelis died last week and that number may grow over the next 4 weeks as the new virus strains become more prevalent. In the U.S. the infection rates in frum neighborhoods remain well above national averages. Yet there still seems to be some reluctance to shut down larger gatherings, whether chassanahs or Purim parties. How many levayahs will it take to convince the leadership of the tzibur to come to their senses. Is shaach monos and megillah read more important that the lives put at risk?January 30, 2021 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #1943822
@ godalthorah when you archive 1 half of 1 % of Rav Chaim knowledge I will value your opinionJanuary 30, 2021 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1943840
Common Saychel: Thanks for the vote of confidence. My most recent test scores were at 0.738 percent so I am well above your threshold for recognition of my psak on foregoing shalach monos this year.January 31, 2021 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1943848BaltimoreMavenParticipant
0.738 percent is less than 1%January 31, 2021 1:28 am at 1:28 am #1943852
According to my records your at .008 so you opinion does not matterJanuary 31, 2021 10:31 am at 10:31 am #1943982☕️coffee addictParticipant
He said one half of one percent which is .5 (of one percent)January 31, 2021 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1944038BaltimoreMavenParticipant
He said archive half of 1 percent.
I guess that means having 1 pct and using half of it?January 31, 2021 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1944047☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
All moot, because it’s nowhere close to that.January 31, 2021 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1944054
Putting aside the mathematical skills of common saychel et. al., does anyone who has looked at the YWN news page in the past 48 hours really believe that its OK to participate in large gatherings for Purim or any other reason right now, irrespective of which Rav may have endorsed the same or hopefully urged against it? It seems like there has been an acceleration in the number and rate of chashuvah rabbonim having been niftar from Covid, or maybe its just my imagination.January 31, 2021 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1944077
@gadolhatar, each of the Rabbonim who where nifter were well into the 90s the malah havovis has his own bag of tricks, the people who pasken can manage without your inputJanuary 31, 2021 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #1944082
Commonsaychel- you are correct in what you say. However, the poskim had been speaking out and you have advocate against their psak.January 31, 2021 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #1944097
common Saychel: So its ok if they are niftar in their 90s from Covid?? I could care less what others may think but it seems to be common saychel to take every possible precaution during this time to protect everyone, young and old and continue to do so for at least the next few months. If you watched any of the videos of the levyah of Rav Dovid today and you think it was “ok” than we are obviously living on different planets.
Mild editJanuary 31, 2021 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1944105
GH – 👍🏻January 31, 2021 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #1944114
asme person posted:
>> 1 half of 1 % of Rav Chaim knowledge
>> each of the Rabbonim who where nifter were well into the 90s
I am not sure how you can at the same time value opinions of Talmidei Hahamim and disregard their lives. I can’t imagine who are people surrounding Talmidei Hahamim that lead to this. I can’t imagine R Twersky ZT’L being not careful himself.January 31, 2021 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #1944115
@Syag, I dont “advocate” for anything in regards to Covid, I ask my daas torah what I should do and I follow his advice, I certainly dont have the chutzpah to tell a godol what to sayJanuary 31, 2021 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #1944121
I have no doubt you follow daas torah, and i have no doubt you have been told you do not need to wear a madk, but you have been very anti mask and have made comments about making a point to dance and hug and attend crowded simchas. I have reason to doubt any rov allowing you to be maskless has given the go ahead for such advocacy.January 31, 2021 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #1944123
No offense to all the lomdim who are members of the coffee room, I will wait until closer to purim and see what my poseik says what to do about shaloch manos.January 31, 2021 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1944128
Lower tuition: You can safely send shalach monos via USPS. Although they are guaranteed to arrive before the sedorim, perhaps consider some really good buys on leftover macaroons from last year.February 1, 2021 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1944172
>> shaloch manos.
R Schechter reminded that this is a good year to follow Rambam on spending more on poor than on friendsFebruary 1, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1944264
Send thru USPS? Are goyim a kosher shaliach?February 1, 2021 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1944321
The RMA paskens SA O’CH 695,4 that if someone sends mishloach manos and the other does not want to accept it, he is still yotzei. The Chasam Sofer explains that the mitzva is the giving, to show love and unity, and not the receiving. According to this if he takes it himself and not by shaliach it should not matter and also if sent through the USPS. The halacha is in hilchas sudas Purim that the sudah should not be sudas kreso but sharing it with others. Therefore, says the Ksav Sofer, that if he has a good heart and wants to give a mishloach manos on Purim Katan, he can also make a sudah. The SA starts with yeriah and finishes with ahavah both tamid which is included in שני תמידים כהלכתם.February 1, 2021 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1944322cvParticipant
Lower tuition – so, if our parents leave in the another state we should not send them shaloch manos via USPS /UPS/FedEX?February 1, 2021 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1944331
The shaliach is not the mitzva but a heiche timtzo, a means to get it to one, as according to the Rambam and the Kapos Teporim, the mitzva of shafor is not the blowing but the hearing the sound, so we make a bracha on hearng and not blowing.February 1, 2021 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1944347
CV: Find some “bored” bochurim from a local kolel that is closed due to Covid restrictions and have then drive and deliver your shalach monos and earn some money on the side. You would be doing two mitzvahs (assuming they could listen to some recorded shiiruim while driving and thereby avoiding responsibility for their bitul torah).February 1, 2021 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1944418the squareParticipant
So now Reb Eliezer is a self-proclaimed posek who uses taamah dikrah to extrapolate novel halachos that have no acceptable sources (unless you count YWN coffee room). Reb Eliezer, I would run that shtikle Torah by a competent Torah scholar before acting upon it or paskening for the masses. You can simplify the question at hand: “Can a goy act as an agent to deliver a shalach manos?”February 1, 2021 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #1944447
the square, not a circle, thanks for making fun of me but I happen to be right. Many, Rav Yudah Assad a talmid of Rav Mordechai Binet very highly regarded by the Chasam Sofer, O’CH 1,204 and the Chelyas Yaakov O’CH 234 and Rav Menashe Klein ztz’l, Mishneh Halachos 6,121 quoting above Rav Yudah Assad say that you can send mishloach manos through a katan, so you can also send it through a goy as shlichas does not apply here and therefore, I say you can send it also through the post office just make sure to get there by Purim. I happened to think clearly with siyata dishmaya.February 1, 2021 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #1944484
As I referred above, I hope you still have 2 friends around you, then USPS for your remote relatives does not deter you from the mitzvah, and spend the rest on people who need help.
This is a great year to learn your priorities and separate d’Oraitos from heimishe minhagim. And learning to be meikil. If you learned in a yeshiva where they only teach the easy way – how to be machmir, you may want to call them and demand a free class on who to be meikil.February 1, 2021 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #1944485
How do you know Haman from Mordechai if they are both in a mask?!February 1, 2021 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1944489
Yes, see Yehudah Yaaleh, 1,204 from Rav Yehuda Assad quoted by Rav Menasheh Klein in Mishnah Halachos proving that a katan can be a shaliach so can a goy because shelichas does not apply as I said before with siyata dishmaya.February 1, 2021 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #1944507
Sadly, anyone considering using USPS for shalach monos clearly made such a decision in an ‘ad shelo yadah” state of mind which would imply that the shalach manos would have even been mailed until after 15 Adar which by definition, means it will arrive late.February 2, 2021 8:47 am at 8:47 am #1944520
How about Amazon One Hour delivery? You can drink and order same day. I know this clashes with another thread.February 2, 2021 8:51 am at 8:51 am #1944522
Mordechai has a long beard without a chup in the back.February 2, 2021 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1944798
CV: I dont pasken by the anonymous posters here in the coffee room. Ask your poseik if you can send through a goy. I was taught not.February 3, 2021 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1944827
שו”ת משנה הלכות חלק ו סימן קכא
ובחידושי כתבתי בזה וז”ל וכבר חקר כעין חקירה זו הגרע”א בהגהות ח”ס על או”ח וז”ל בלקוטי חבר בן חיים ח”א בהגהות על ספר יהודה יעלה סי’ ר”ד כתב וז”ל שמעתי מפי מורי הגאון זצ”ל כי מר חמיו הגאון רע”א נסתפק דכיון דכתיב לשון שליחות ומשלוח מנות אפשר דבעינן דין שליחות ואינו יוצא על ידי שליח עכו”ם ומרן השיב לו אולי היה המצוה להוביל בעצמו ורק ע”י שליח ג”כ יוצא משום
שלוחו של אדם כמותו הוי שייך דין שליחות אבל מאחר שהמצוה משלוח דוקא מצי לשלוח גם ע”י גוי ע”ש ושישי מעי שב”ה כיונתי
לדעת הגאון ז”ל ע”כ מחדושי הנ”לFebruary 3, 2021 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1944828
שו”ת חלקת יעקב אורח חיים סימן רלד
אם אפשר לקיים מצות משלוח מנות על ידי עכו”ם
תשובה כהלכה להרב הה”ג וכו’ מר יצחק הכהן הובערמאן בעיר בולגריי הפולנית בעהמ”ח ספר מקבילות
אחדשה”ט כמשפט לשוחרי תורה
בדבר ספקו בא’ הדר יחידי בכפר ואין לו למי לקיים מצות משלוח מנות וצריך לשלחו לעיר על ידי עכו”ם אי מקיים המצוה כיון דאין
א) בפשיטות נלפע”ד שקיים המצוה, וכמו שהעיר כת”ה בעצמו דהרי אנו שולחים על ידי קטנים, ועי’ קידושין כ”ג והא קי”ל דיד עבד
כיד רבו וברש”י שם והא מעשים בכל יום ודף ל”ז תפילין אשכחנן רבנן דמנחי תפילין בבבל וב”מ ט”ו ב’ והא מעשים בכל יום וכו’ וה”נ מעשים בכל יום ששולחין על ידי קטנים הרי דלא צריך לשליחות. והסברא פשוטה – בשלמא גבי קידושין וגירושין ותרומה שהוא בעצמו צריך להיות המגרש או הנותן רק דהתורה גילתה דשלוחו של אדם כמותו ודוקא בבר שליחות ואי לאו לא הוי כמותו, אבל הכא
דעיקר מצוה היא המשלוח, אדרבה יש ספק אם נתן בעצמו אם קיים המצוה, עי’ מ”ב תרצ”ה, אם כן מה איכפת לן אם אינו בר
שליחות ואינו כמותו, סו”ס קיים המצוה ושלח, וזה עיקר המצוה, וזה ברור, וראיתי באיזה מן המחברים סברא זוFebruary 3, 2021 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1944829
שו”ת יהודה יעלה (אסאד) חלק א – אורח חיים סימן רד
וממילא אין בזה משום מלתא דלא מצי עביד השתא לא מצי משוי שליח דא”צ בזה שליחות כלל דהא משלחים גם ע”י קטנים ועבי”ד ע”י
עכו”ם. והיא רק הכנה והכשר מצוה שעושה מקודם כדי לגומרה בזמנוFebruary 3, 2021 1:13 am at 1:13 am #1944873
They also say that if the mitzva woulld be that you personaly must send then it would be a question if a goy is considered like you as there is no shalichus by a goy. However the MB O’CH 695 questions that maybe we need a shaliach and it is no good to send by oneself. Therefore, it just a means to get it to someone, shalichus does not apply over here and we can send it with a goy and also by yourself.February 3, 2021 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #1944985
According to the Aruch Hashulchan there, we should sent it on Purim in order to create simcha.February 3, 2021 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #1945083
The above Yehudah Yaaleh view is also the Chasam Sofer’s view as indicated in reply #1944827 from the Sefer Mishnah Halochos by Rav Menasha Klein ztz’l allowing to send it with a goy.February 4, 2021 1:55 am at 1:55 am #1945106
How about everyone should ask the own daas torah and follow what they say,February 4, 2021 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1945275
>> ask the own daas torah
this is a legit shailah, but what do I do in general?
My “daas Torah” does not believe in “daas Torah” (and points out to Encyclopedia Talmudit that the concept is not in the Gemorah)?February 4, 2021 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1945338
@always ask questions, if that’s the case you have a lot bigger issues then how to do the mitzvas of purim, one of the basic tenants of Frumkiet is “asay lechoh rav”February 4, 2021 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #1945388
The Daas Torah from the Maharsham of Brezon the grandfather of Rav Shvadron also qoutes the above Rav Yehudah Assad, Yehudah Yaaleh, O’CH 204 on the SA O’CH 695,4.February 4, 2021 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #1945576
>> “asay lechoh rav”
thanks, that’s in the Mishna, my Rav knows that. “Daas Torah” (DT) is not the same and, as I mentioned, is no in the Gemorah. (if you think it is the same, you are doing DT wrong!).
I did not double-check Encyclopedia Talmudit myself, relying on what the Rav said, on his “daas Torah”, if you wish 🙂
So, seems like I am stuck in this paradox – my DT says there is no DT .. So, if I follow his DT, it is not binding. If I don’t follow his DT, then I am not following on his DT …
PS if you are afraid you are doing it wrong – here is material that might help fix your DT:
Wiki quotes Rav Shafran (pro) who admits taht the phrase is new but refers to other related concepts and Rav Nahum Rabinowitz Z”L against. Amazon has a 460 page book by Daniel Eidensohn of Daas Torah Hebrew sources ….February 7, 2021 7:34 am at 7:34 am #1945892
@always ask, the Jewish people always had a “moreh derech” since time kabolas hatorah, call it dass torah or other names it not relevant as to what it is called it is our mesorah, I know this does not match your or the OP agenda but that is the fact.
In Oz Yosher we say “vaymeanu behashem ubMoshe avod, first mishna in avos is moshe kebul torah msinai and it lists out the line of succession, the more recent histroy we had the GRA, Talmiday Bal Shem ZTL etc. in the recent past you had the Chofetz Chaim, Reb Chaim Brisker, Sanzer Rebbe ZTL
recently we had Reb Moshe, Rav Elyashiv, Satmar Rebbe ZTL, so your Rabbi and your encyclopedia can take the slow boat to China and no one will notice any differenceFebruary 7, 2021 8:01 am at 8:01 am #1945920MenoParticipant
Are we saying there’s no such thing as Daas Torah because the term doesn’t exist in Encyclopedia Talmudis?
Well in that case I think I’ll stop “davening” in “shul”.February 7, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1945978
The generations become weaker in Torah knowledge. The Rabbenu Bachaya at the end of Parashas Ki Siso explains that mishna was written concisely as we could only write down what was necessary for understanding but as the generation became weaker, more became necessary. Therefore, in our psak, we rely on our previous poskim who were smarter than we are. I pointed out the ruling of the Chasam Sofer, Rav Yehudah Assad and the Maharsham which is being dismissed because of lack of knowledge. I don’t see the Encyclipedia Talmudis talking about a goy being a shaliach but you might want to look at the Sefer Piskei Teshuvas siman 695 referring to the above.
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