February 25, 2009 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1062270
Moish, I spent man years in yeshiva and many years single. Learning plus sense of humor plus too much time on hands from being single = plenty of Purim Torah. The well is far from dry.February 25, 2009 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1062271
Posek Hador, my definition of off-color is “remiza ledavar acher”, not “nit shein”. I am mekaneh your feinkeit though.February 26, 2009 7:35 am at 7:35 am #1062272YW Moderator-42Moderator
8 hours without Purim Torah? I guess I’ll have to post something:
Moshe Rabbeinu was born on the 7th of Adar, so his bris must have beene on the 14th, which is Purim. Was the bris performed before the the Megillah or after? Moshe was a great tzaddik and he died on the same day he was born. Since Moshe passed away on Shabbos, he was also born on Shabbos. His bris took place eight days later on Shabbos. Since it was Shabbos, the Megillah reading must have taken place on Thursday the 12th of Adar.February 26, 2009 7:41 am at 7:41 am #1062274YW Moderator-39Member
42, nice to see you here at this hourFebruary 26, 2009 7:42 am at 7:42 am #1062275
wow & 39 too!!! wow!!!!!!!!!!February 26, 2009 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #1062276
We know that ??? ????? ?????? ??? ????. So the big question is, we see in most yeshivas that when it comes to appointing Roshei Yeshiva and maggidei shiur, ?????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ????. And even if you say that ?? ????? ?????, it’s only a ????, and then we have to say ????? ????? ???? ????
So I was thinking that one teretz is if you ask the better person to leave, it becomes a ???? ????? ???. The other teretz I have is that mishpacha is a ????? ????? ???.February 26, 2009 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1062278
Jothar: The Rosh Hayeshiva has a Chezkas Mammon, due to Heicha DeKayma Teykum, and Ein Holchin Bemammon Achar HaRov!February 26, 2009 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #1062279
Also a reason why people go against Beis Din and/or don’t ask their Rov:
Ein Holchin Bemammon Achar Ha Rov.February 26, 2009 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1062280AnonymousInactive
Jothar and gavra_at_work – keep em coming. I’m ROTFL!February 26, 2009 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1062282
The Gemorah in Nazir Daf Lammed Gimmel Amud Beis asks whether a Nazir is allowed to drink wine on Purim. It brings a Rayah that it’s Muttar from the Gemorah in Nedarim Daf Tes Amud Beis that a Nazir is allowed to be Shose Yayin to be prevented from doing a Lo Saase, Kol SheKen an Aasse due to the concept of Esse Doche Lo Seese.
Rashi in Nazir there asks on this from the Gemorah of Raba & Rav Zeira, that Raba should have been Muttar to kill Rav Zeira due to the same svorah?
Rashi answers Poshut. Since the whole neis was to save us from the decree of Haman, that was only legabei the Harigah of the Yidden. As such, the mitzva created to celebrate the Nes can’t be doche the Issur which is what the Nes prevented. Ma Sh’ein Kein by Nazir, where the Issur is not for Harigah, there we say the Aase is Doche the Lo Saase.
(just some Purim Torah in the Brisker Spirit, ask your LOR for Halacha Lemaase)February 26, 2009 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1062283
Mod 42: According to Rabbi Meir (Sotah 3a), Moshe Rabbeinu was born mahul, so there’s no question according to that opinion.February 26, 2009 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #1062284coke not pepsiMember
if u r supposed to take mod 42 serious—i think moshe rabbeinu was born b4 the story of purim-so no meggilaFebruary 26, 2009 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1062285
It says, ????? ????. The question is, why use the word “yekar” instead of “kavod”? Furthermore, why are there 3 extra “yud”s in the 8th perek of the megilla? Finally, where does the minhag of drinking liquor come from? It clearly says “wine”!
The answer is that the megilla is trying to hint to us something. The 3 “yud”s add up to form a ?, and it’s meant to be appended to the strange word. So it really says ???? ????? ????? ?????, that while Achashveirosh had to stick to wine, the Jews had liquor. ?? ???? ???!February 26, 2009 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #1062286
aha! asdfghjkl, jothar just found you a source for liquor!
he’s gonna be thrilled…February 26, 2009 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #1062287
“if u r supposed to take mod 42 serious—i think moshe rabbeinu was born b4 the story of purim-so no meggila”
Of course I don’t take it seriously. Still, it’s nice to take Purim torah as far as is can go on a faulty premise. 🙂February 26, 2009 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1062288
coke, you only THINK that? you don’t happen to know for a fact, do you?February 26, 2009 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1062289
the faultiest premise is that how in the world would a true lamdan know a gemara in Sotah????? Its not one of the typical yeshiva mesechtas.February 26, 2009 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #1062290
Charlie brown: A baki without lomdus is not a baki, and a lamdan without bekiyus is not a lamdan. Notwithstanding, there is a tremendous amount of lomdus in Sotah.February 26, 2009 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #1062291
Charlie Brown, I assume the gemara in Sotah was quoted in a Reb Chaim somewhere 🙂February 27, 2009 12:12 am at 12:12 am #1062292
TJ: even those that are born mahul need some sort of bris!!!(many family members of mine fall in this catagory!!)
coke not pepsi: u ”think” or ”know” moshe rabbanu was born before purim???
Jothar: thanx for the liquor source!!! now i real happy!!!
moish: yes i am thrilled!!! jumpin up & down!!!February 27, 2009 12:17 am at 12:17 am #1062293
I was completely kidding.
I liked your answer!February 27, 2009 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1062294
“even those that are born mahul need some sort of bris!!!(many family members of mine fall in this catagory!!)”
True, but whether the hatafas dam bris for a nolad mahul is docheh Shabbos is a whole sugya in and of itself.February 27, 2009 12:20 am at 12:20 am #1062295
“TJ, I was completely kidding.”
I figured you were being facetious, but I couldn’t help myself.February 27, 2009 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1062296
charlie brown: wow i’m never on at the same time as you anymore!!! i just got the bottles from my celler in da basement!!!February 27, 2009 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1062297
yup, nice to “see” you asdfghjkl, but I gotta go now.February 27, 2009 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1062298
TJ: yes i’m fully aware of:
whether the hatafas dam bris for a nolad mahul is docheh Shabbos is a whole sugya in and of itself. >em>February 27, 2009 12:29 am at 12:29 am #1062299
charlie brown: have a great shobbos!!!February 27, 2009 12:29 am at 12:29 am #1062300coke not pepsiMember
ok so im very gullible!!! i was thinking besides 4 that part(ok main part) it didnt sound to much like purim torahFebruary 27, 2009 2:38 am at 2:38 am #1062301posek hadorMember
A bunch of Litfisheh bachurim were going collecting by a rich chossid. After bringing a rayah from the migellah that mordechai was a litvak the chossid offered the bochur a few hundred dollars if he could bring a rayah that modcheh /mordichai is a chossid. the bochur answered. How did hamans daughter dump the garbage on hamman if she was above. the teretz is she saw hamans shtreimel. because haman and mordechai were both chasidim. but she thought it was vadai mordechai since haman was at the head. but she must of had a hava amina eleh mai they both wore a streimel.
some add haman and mordechai were both brothers whose father died. that is why they were fighting and why he did not ow down and assured from going to the tish.February 27, 2009 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1062304
Why don’t we Klap on Achashvairosh raising taxes?February 27, 2009 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #1062305myshadowMember
posek hador, lol that’s pretty funny! What’s the raya that he’s a litvak?February 27, 2009 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1062306anon for thisParticipant
GAW, maybe that’s why Mordechai wasn’t liked by all of the Jews; perhaps they blamed him for the taxes.February 27, 2009 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1062307
We know Acashveirosh was a chossid, because it says “mehodu ve’ad kush”- First he said Hodu, and then he kissed his tzitzis for Baruch she’amar (“kush” means “kiss” in Yiddish). So mordechai, being the opposite of Achashveirosh, would be a litvak. Plus, he was learning the sugya of kemitza, which is Kodshim. That means Mordechai was a Brisker.February 27, 2009 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1062308areivimzehlazehParticipant
Every time I start reading this thread something urgent comes up and I never get anywhere. I got to read a few vertlach here and there and I’m really loving this topic!
Keep em comin… eventually I hope to get a chance to contributeFebruary 27, 2009 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1062309ChachamParticipant
Why does it take reb bentzion of bobv forever to lain mogellah?
they clap by mordechai [ modcheh duvid]
why does it take forever for satmar to lain the migeelah?
they clap by MedinahFebruary 27, 2009 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1062310squeakParticipant
Now that we’re “hondling” Briskers, what consitutes simchas Purim for Briskers?
Ans: The portions of the Megilla that are read with the “Eicha” niggun.February 27, 2009 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1062311
I saw this once from a great acharon or early Rosh Yeshiva, I forgot who it was. There is a machlokes by Avraham Avinu what “Beirach bakol” means. One shita says he had a daughter named Bakol. Another shita says he did not have a daughter. The Rov said the proof that he didn’t have a daughter is that it says “Zaken Ba Bayamim”, meaning he was old due to age. If he had a daughter, he would have aged early trying to marry her off!February 27, 2009 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1062312areivimzehlazehParticipant
now we’re getting into ‘pulitic’… tread carefullyFebruary 27, 2009 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1062313
The “bakol” vort from the Ksav Sofer ZT”L.
Squeak, in a similar vort, the Yerushalmis used to ask why we lain parts of the megillah in eicha trop. They answer that some people are only happy when they’re miserable, and on Purim we want to be mishtateif everyone in the simcha.February 27, 2009 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1062315
ever hear about the brisker who was looking for a true oni to fulfill the mitzvah of matanos l’evyonim? He finally found someone who literally didn’t have a penny to his name. He lived in a cardboard box and hadn’t eaten in days. Somehow nobody knew about him and therefore nobody had been helping him. The brisker was so excited to give him Matanos L’evyonim and fulfill the mitzva in the best way. And he didn’t tell anyone else about him because if they were to give him money then he’d need to search for a new oni next year.February 28, 2009 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1062318
?? ????? ????, ?? ??? ??? ??????: ?? ????? ??? ????, ??? ?? ????
Ester did not divulge her nation, nor her birthplace. For Mordechai told her not to revel this information.
This was the MAIN miracle of Purim. A WOMAN WAS ABLE TO KEEP A SECRET!!!
(I wonder whether this gets posted in the Purim Torah forum, or in the CR Beis Medrash)March 1, 2009 12:50 am at 12:50 am #1062319believerParticipant
could someone pleeeeeeezeee post a good dvar torah on anything in perek hay in the megilla for purim???? you’ll seriously get a huge mitzva and your saving my life!!!!!!pleeeeeeeezzzzzzeeeeeeeMarch 1, 2009 1:03 am at 1:03 am #1062320SJSinNYCMember
JayMatt, thats hysterical 😀
This thread has me rolling!March 1, 2009 3:30 am at 3:30 am #1062321
JayMatt19: ha that one was great!!!!March 1, 2009 6:34 am at 6:34 am #1062322
>>could someone pleeeeeeezeee post a good dvar torah on anything in perek hay in the megilla for purim???? you’ll seriously get a huge mitzva and your saving my life!!!!!!pleeeeeeeezzzzzzeeeeeee <<
Check out the d’var torah thread later in the day. I’ll see what I can do for youMarch 1, 2009 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1062323
Here is your requested d’var torah on the 6th perek:March 2, 2009 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1062324Mrs. BeautifulMember
Someone came to our home on Purim and said this one. If a woman is ready to light shabbos candles but she only has one candle, is she Motzei by lighting in front of a mirror so that the reflection of the first candle is like 2 candles?
Answer: No, if she is front of a mirror, then there are 2 ladies, so she needs 4 candles – 2 for each!March 2, 2009 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1062325chofetzchaimMember
14 Adar, 5769 Vol. 4 #1 Goldilox and the 3 Bears
“WHEN SHE WOKE UP, SHE REALIZED THAT SHE WAS SURROUNDED BY BEARS… SHE RACED
PAST THE STARTLED BEARS TO FREEDOM…”(THREE BEARS P. 32, PICTURE ON PAGE 33)
GOLDILOCKS – the very name conjures up images of the totally immoral ba’alas ta’avah. She was wandering aimlessly when she suddenly found an empty house in the middle of a forest. Her yaitzer harah got to her, and she broke into the house, totally ignoring the unbearable odor pervading the bears’ den. Suddenly overwhelmed by an animalistic desire to fill her stomach, she not only stole food from a little child, she even managed to eat a bowl of porridge! After demonstrating such disgusting behavior, and after her theft, she was mazik their furniture. She certainly was in no condition to overcome her desire to sleep after breakfast. While usually this is quite understandable, the fact that bears tend to veck bit more ferociously than the Yeshiva Vecker should have awakened her sense of preservation. But no – her lust for a place to sleep overrode her good sense. It was only fitting that the bears come home while she was napping. The bears would see her, paskin that she was a rodaif, make a brief but gory scene, and enjoy their surprise Purim Seudah. We would then be able to learn important morals about how ba’alei ta’avah don’t even enjoy Olam Hazeh, unless you consider being mauled by three bears enjoyable.
Something went terribly wrong. The bears obviously weren’t chasing her, because no human can outrun a bear. It must have been that the bears, upon spotting her, were so startled by this surprising turn of events that they weren’t sure what course of action to take. They couldn’t post in the Coffee room asking what to do, because the mods weren’t online at the time. So they had to try and think it out for themselves. by the time they reached a tentative maskanah, Goldilocks was long gone.
This is mystifying. This story seems to be flying in the face of everything we were taught. The bears did the right thing. They carefully weighed their actions, checked to make sure there wasn’t even a dakei dakus of ta’avah in their decision to have her for dinner with a side of potatoes, and proceeded to try and act on their decision, only to realize that they were too late. Could it be that the vaunted minhag of hocking over everything in the Coffee Room is wrong? Could it even be that, kehavah yachol, the mods were wrong in their decision not to be online at the time? After all, if they were, the bears could have just posted and got a psak. Now, their lack of someone to tell them what to do rendered them useless to accomplish their designated task!
The answer is a resounding no. Of course the Coffee Room is the only place to get a psak. Of course the mods were right in not being online. The mistake lay with the bears. They should have thought out beforehand, “what if we suddenly find a stranger in our house?” They then could have started a thread to find out what they should do lu yitzoor the situation ever arose. The bears’ mistake was human, but it was costly – they assumed it would never happen. So when the time came, they were paralyzed by inaction.
We see from here that we should think of any and all real-life situations that may occur, and immediately start a thread in the coffee Room about them. It doesn’t make a difference if the question is mildly stupid (“What if I find a strange child who ate up my porridge?”), rather absurd (“What if I find an elephant hiding behind my dresser?”), or even totally ludicrous (“Should I daven with a hat biyechidus or without one with a minyan and does Moish count for a minyan?”). While others might feel you’re wasting the Editor and moderators’ time, hey…you never know.
Copyright 2009 by Me. Most of this was stolen from a 2003 Purim Torah which I edited to fit the Coffee RoomMarch 3, 2009 12:19 am at 12:19 am #1062326
From where do we learn we need a theme on Purim? From Haman, who asked for three things (crown, robe, horse) to create a theme of malchus. This also indicates that, like the dinim of chazakah, it requires 3 items for a theme. The problem is, Achashveirosh only gave him 2 items. Does that mean achashveirosh didn’t require a theme?
It could be that Achashveirosh felt that to go without a theme is pikuach nefesh, and by pikuach nefesh 2 is a chazakah…March 3, 2009 1:15 am at 1:15 am #1062328
this is getting dangerously close to “morah torah.”
you know like those stupid things the morahs used to tell us and when we went home our fathers said “who exactly told you that??”
i can remember one: you know why vashti was called vashti? because she used to say “vash the vindows, vash the floors.” …as if vashti spoke english…
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